Cowboys Wont Find Success Before Massive Culture Change

[Miller]

I know another Bleacher Report article was up but I didn't see this on. I found this a good read and it hit on many points regarding Jones and how they can still have power yet do it differently. Very detailed on Jones, coaching and cap moves.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ccess-before-massive-culture-change-in-dallas

Jones is basically telling any Cowboys fan hoping he gives up anytime soon to find the nearest creek and leave the paddle behind.

The plea, then, has to be that Jones eventually realizes that his legacy as Cowboys owner is more important than the completely arrogant move to take the burning ship down rather than accept any type of guidance or aid.

To put the best construction on this: It's easy to see what might be behind this situation is even bigger than just bare arrogance. Every man wants to leave something behind so that the world remembers him. Moreover, every man wants to leave something to his children.

Jones, 71, probably doesn't have more than a handful of years left at the helm, and he likely wants this team to be championship-ready when it's handed down to Stephen and his siblings.

The Cowboys need a czar, someone who is willing to take a massive paycheck for little to no actual responsibility. More importantly, they need to find someone who Jerry and Stephen respect and who can work well with them. This wouldn't be someone in charge, but it would be someone with input, and perhaps even with a vote.

The "triumvirate" model of team leadership has worked well, and it could work for the Jones family. Jerry, Stephen and our mystery czar each hold a vote, but it still gives the Jones family ultimate control. Once Jerry steps down, the triumvirate model could easily continue by adding an actual general manager or looping in whatever head coach is at the helm (more on that later).

The worst-case scenario for this hire would be something that has doomed the Cowboys in recent years: old ideas. Rather than reaching back into the recycling bin for someone like Mike Holmgren, Bill Polian or Ron Wolf, Jones needs to find somebody who might actually have some ideas about the NFL in 2014 rather than 1994.

 

[visionary]

as much as i like the idea of culture change the idea of a 'triumvirate' is just crazy

successful organizations are run by CEOs, they need one voice

one GM, one coach

no more 'group think'

why cant we just do what other successful NFL teams (and our own history) have proven to be successful instead of trying to reinvent the wheel?

 

[theebs]

My favorite song by culture change is Time.



wait a minute..

 

[Direwolf63]

After Jerry's comments the other day, hiring a GM would be a waste.

He said that since every decision a GM makes has to go through him anyways, what the point of having a middle man? And he's right.

What the Cowboys need is a independent GM who makes the FINAL football decisions. And that will never happen as long as Jerry is alive.

 

[Miller]

as much as i like the idea of culture change the idea of a 'triumvirate' is just crazy

successful organizations are run by CEOs, they need one voice

one GM, one coach

no more 'group think'

why cant we just do what other successful NFL teams (and our own history) have proven to be successful instead of trying to reinvent the wheel?

While I completely agree with you here, I think the write was just trying to find ideas the Cowboys could use where it appeases Jerry, gives someone else a voice and can cause some change. I liked the idea of a fresher voice vs old guard guys. Someone the Jones family would be forced to respect. Sometimes people just want to feel like they are pulling he strings. That is where I think the idea has some merit.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

My favorite song by culture change is Time.



wait a minute..

Gotta love "Culture Change!" Put Jerry's face on Boy George and it works!

 

[theebs]

After Jerry's comments the other day, hiring a GM would be a waste.

He said that since every decision a GM makes has to go through him anyways, what the point of having a middle man? And he's right.

What the Cowboys need is a independent GM who makes the FINAL football decisions. And that will never happen as long as Jerry is alive.

He is not right in anyway. Having a GM takes the analysis away from the jones family. Hiring a GM that knows what he is doing and understands the dynamics of building a winning organization would be a huge addition.

whether or not jerry agrees to spend as much money as the GM wants is not a big deal.

Jerry just doesn't want to give up the spotlight. once the games are over jerry and Stephen start with there marketing crap and then they sit front and center for 5 months as the key figures. The media all comes to them, then on draft day they make all the decisions.

no way in the world egomaniacs give up that much attention. The kardashians are not giving up there insane tv show nor are the cowboys.

A real GM would do all of these duties. A real GM would have the intelligence and the knowledge in understanding the impact of each move down the road and how to build. Jerry's approval like he pretends is what holds this back is irrelevant. Almost every other owner signs off on the money, they don't break down players.

Jeffrie lurie in Philly kicked out banner and reid in back to back years and hired Football Executives who then hired Kelly who then hired a staff. Kelly knew he needed a vet coordinator and he hired pat shurmur, we got Garrett as Pretend GM, Head coach and offensive coordinator.

gee what could go wrong. Don't believe Jerry when he tells those stupid tales of how GM's don't really do anything, if that were the case Ozzie Newsome would basically just be Steve Biscoti's little research assistant while he makes all the decisions......you think newsome has built those teams or not?

 

[visionary]

While I completely agree with you here, I think the write was just trying to find ideas the Cowboys could use where it appeases Jerry, gives someone else a voice and can cause some change. I liked the idea of a fresher voice vs old guard guys. Someone the Jones family would be forced to respect. Sometimes people just want to feel like they are pulling he strings. That is where I think the idea has some merit.

the problem is, that idea has 2 flaws

1. the delusional joneses still have 2 of 3 votes so nothing will get done
2. this stuff about a person who knows football but is not really invested does not work. cleveland already tried that with holmgren and 4 wasted years later, he walked away with a ton of money and the browns still suck.

for a GM you need someone who:

1. has a good track record with talent evaluation
2. is invested in building a winner (not putting butts in seats, that is the owners job)
3. is clearly identified as being responsible for decisions
4. is held accountable for said decisions

this is not complicated

 

[Direwolf63]

While I completely agree with you here, I think the write was just trying to find ideas the Cowboys could use where it appeases Jerry, gives someone else a voice and can cause some change. I liked the idea of a fresher voice vs old guard guys. Someone the Jones family would be forced to respect. Sometimes people just want to feel like they are pulling he strings. That is where I think the idea has some merit.

You can't FORCE the Jones family into anything. They own the team.

If anybody could have done it, it would have been Bill Parcells. But he was shown the door once the stadium issues were settled.

This is Jerry Jones ship. He's the captain. And there will be no mutiny. And all the fans are going down with the ship.

 

[theebs]

You can't FORCE the Jones family into anything. They own the team.

If anybody could have done it, it would have been Bill Parcells. But he was shown the door once the stadium issues were settled.

This is Jerry Jones ship. He's the captain. And there will be no mutiny. And all the fans are going down with the ship.

Bill left because jerry had to have owens and that completely reversed 3 years of building chemistry and assembling the team. It was astonishing that the jones family could have been so naïve at the time but of course they were.

Parcells was never shown any door here, in fact he was trying to help them hire a staff and Jerry wasn't having it. He legitimately cared and didn't want to just walk away. I think he was proud of what he was building and it must have killed him knowing that jerry went back on his word and just forced owens into the locker room and screwed it all up.

Parcells was doing IT, until march of 06.

 

[Direwolf63]

He is not right in anyway. Having a GM takes the analysis away from the jones family. Hiring a GM that knows what he is doing and understands the dynamics of building a winning organization would be a huge addition.

whether or not jerry agrees to spend as much money as the GM wants is not a big deal.

Jerry just doesn't want to give up the spotlight. once the games are over jerry and Stephen start with there marketing crap and then they sit front and center for 5 months as the key figures. The media all comes to them, then on draft day they make all the decisions.

no way in the world egomaniacs give up that much attention. The kardashians are not giving up there insane tv show nor are the cowboys.

A real GM would do all of these duties. A real GM would have the intelligence and the knowledge in understanding the impact of each move down the road and how to build. Jerry's approval like he pretends is what holds this back is irrelevant. Almost every other owner signs off on the money, they don't break down players.

Jeffrie lurie in Philly kicked out banner and reid in back to back years and hired Football Executives who then hired Kelly who then hired a staff. Kelly knew he needed a vet coordinator and he hired pat shurmur, we got Garrett as Pretend GM, Head coach and offensive coordinator.

gee what could go wrong. Don't believe Jerry when he tells those stupid tales of how GM's don't really do anything, if that were the case Ozzie Newsome would basically just be Steve Biscoti's little research assistant while he makes all the decisions......you think newsome has built those teams or not?

Your assuming that by hiring a GM all of a sudden, the Cowboys would be run properly. It is a false assumption.

Your description described above is how it should work. My contention is that Jerry will not allow it to work that way. He's the final decision maker, period.

You mentioned how owner signs off on the money, but don't break down players. Well guess what? Jerry breaks down players. He is fully involved in those film sessions.

And that's the problem. I'd like nothing more than to have Jerry run the organiztion like Jeff Lurie and Bob Kraft. But he doesn't and he won't. Even hiring a GM won't work if every football decision he wants to make has to be approved by Jerry. Any GM worth his salt, wouldn't want to work that way anyway.

 

[theebs]

Your assuming that by hiring a GM all of a sudden, the Cowboys would be run properly. It is a false assumption.

Your description described above is how it should work. My contention is that Jerry will not allow it to work that way. He's the final decision maker, period.

You mentioned how owner signs off on the money, but don't break down players. Well guess what? Jerry breaks down players. He is fully involved in those film sessions.

And that's the problem. I'd like nothing more than to have Jerry run the organiztion like Jeff Lurie and Bob Kraft. But he doesn't and he won't. Even hiring a GM won't work if every football decision he wants to make has to be approved by Jerry. Any GM worth his salt, wouldn't want to work that way anyway.

Right that's the point. Jerry is lying, that is a tall tale when he says a GM would be worthless. That is a slap in the face to all GM's.

Scott Pioli is sitting on tv working.

He could be hired here the morning after the eagles game and then build his own front office and then pick a coach. Pioli would clean the cap up in one or two seasons and would draft interior players.

Would love to see a guy like that here. Bring in some good coaches for the long term, like ken whisenhut as Head coach and Keith butler as Defensive Coordinator. or whatever combo works...

It would erase all the nonsense. The day parcells had his PC to announce his hiring all of the previous years nonsense was flushed...it was like the clouds were lifted. IT was a good time to be a fan again.

that would happen again with a real front office person being hired. And yes Will McClay seems to be a good guy and pretty good at his job but he has been here for awhile and anyone that has taken orders from jerry should be shown the door and replaced under a fresh start with a real GM.

 

[Miller]

the problem is, that idea has 2 flaws

1. the delusional joneses still have 2 of 3 votes so nothing will get done
2. this stuff about a person who knows football but is not really invested does not work. cleveland already tried that with holmgren and 4 wasted years later, he walked away with a ton of money and the browns still suck.

for a GM you need someone who:

1. has a good track record with talent evaluation
2. is invested in building a winner (not putting butts in seats, that is the owners job)
3. is clearly identified as being responsible for decisions
4. is held accountable for said decisions

this is not complicated

Again, I'm not disagreeing with people's ideas about the Jones family. But I do think if Cowher or someone like that was part of a evaluation team, the Jones family would listen more compared to bringing in Holmgren, Ron Wolf, etc who they would name as a "consultant" and ignore in my book. But that would mean they would have to trust a strong willed evaluator. I know its all a made up scenario but the idea is to get around the idea that Jones will just stop being GM, hire someone and get out of the way. THAT won't happen and we all know that. As the article said, the idea is convince Jones that his legacy is more important than being in charge.

 

[Direwolf63]

Right that's the point. Jerry is lying, that is a tall tale when he says a GM would be worthless. That is a slap in the face to all GM's.

Scott Pioli is sitting on tv working.

He could be hired here the morning after the eagles game and then build his own front office and then pick a coach. Pioli would clean the cap up in one or two seasons and would draft interior players.

Would love to see a guy like that here. Bring in some good coaches for the long term, like ken whisenhut as Head coach and Keith butler as Defensive Coordinator. or whatever combo works...

It would erase all the nonsense. The day parcells had his PC to announce his hiring all of the previous years nonsense was flushed...it was like the clouds were lifted. IT was a good time to be a fan again.

that would happen again with a real front office person being hired. And yes Will McClay seems to be a good guy and pretty good at his job but he has been here for awhile and anyone that has taken orders from jerry should be shown the door and replaced under a fresh start with a real GM.

We fully agree here. All I'm saying is that Jerry will NEVER agree to such a scenario.

Jerry wants to win. But Jerry wants to win HIS way. He wants the credit. He wants the accolades. He wants the adoration. He doesn't want Scott Pioli or anybody else to steal his spotlight.

So yes, in theory, hiring a good GM can clean up the problems if he has the authority to do so. But he will never get that authority in Dallas. Scott Pioli will never agree to work in Dallas if Jerry has the power to veto any decision he makes.

 

[theebs]

We fully agree here. All I'm saying is that Jerry will NEVER agree to such a scenario.

Jerry wants to win. But Jerry wants to win HIS way. He wants the credit. He wants the accolades. He wants the adoration. He doesn't want Scott Pioli or anybody else to steal his spotlight.

So yes, in theory, hiring a good GM can clean up the problems if he has the authority to do so. But he will never get that authority in Dallas. Scott Pioli will never agree to work in Dallas if Jerry has the power to veto any decision he makes.

yep and that is the problem.

 

[theebs]

Again, I'm not disagreeing with people's ideas about the Jones family. But I do think if Cowher or someone like that was part of a evaluation team, the Jones family would listen more compared to bringing in Holmgren, Ron Wolf, etc who they would name as a "consultant" and ignore in my book. But that would mean they would have to trust a strong willed evaluator. I know its all a made up scenario but the idea is to get around the idea that Jones will just stop being GM, hire someone and get out of the way. THAT won't happen and we all know that. As the article said, the idea is convince Jones that his legacy is more important than being in charge.

make no mistake about it.

Jerry's legacy is that enormous building across from walmart.

That is the monument he built to himself. Years after he is gone and all of us are old people will remember the stadium jerry built.

They will not remember the complete jackass he is and what he has done to limit the organization.

 

[Direwolf63]

yep and that is the problem.

It's why Jimmy Johnson left.

 

[visionary]

make no mistake about it.

Jerry's legacy is that enormous building across from walmart.

That is the monument he built to himself. Years after he is gone and all of us are old people will remember the stadium jerry built.

They will not remember the complete jackass he is and what he has done to limit the organization.

i think we disagree here
i think jerry will long be remembered as a delusional owner and someone who made the dallas cowboys a punchline for a decade and a half
he will be held up as a model of ineptitude and how not to do things

 

[Risen Star]

Jones, 71, probably doesn't have more than a handful of years left at the helm, and he likely wants this team to be championship-ready when it's handed down to Stephen and his siblings.

If Jerry only has a handful of years left, let's hope it's this hand....

 

[theebs]

i think we disagree here
i think jerry will long be remembered as a delusional owner and someone who made the dallas cowboys a punchline for a decade and a half
he will be held up as a model of ineptitude and how not to do things

for us yes, but years down the road I bet that it just goes away. Its so prevalent now because the media talks about him and the cowboys so much. When he is not here they will just move on to the next joker.

For us and this current group of media, he will always be the symbol of an ego maniac who does everything the wrong way, but those media people will retire and we will get older.