CowboysZone Final Draft Chat featuring Drew Boylhart (The Huddle Report) Transcript

[tomson75]

My dream draft would be to trade #22 for 2 of Atlanta's 2nds and #28 to Detroit for Roy Williams. In the 2nd, we could address RB, CB and WR (Monk or Hardy). I just hope Monk doesn't climb the boards so much where a team takes him at the end of the 1st.

Whoa! I haven't seen where anyone has even had him going on the first day. Most that I've seen had him going around the 5th or 6th...given that his draft stock has risen some this is probably not the case now, but to put him in the first is quite a stretch IMO. I think he can be had with a 3rd or 4th still....as far as where his stock is.

At least that's my guess.

 

[theogt]

Saying that he missed on some prospects as an excuse to say that hes bad is silly. He has hit on quite a few as well and some from out of nowhere. You look at what he says and it comes out is logical and backed up by facts. You can clearly rell he does his homework.

Except for his opinion on Matt Flynn. It makes no sense whatsoever. He's horrible.

You can't just say "leadership" makes someone a 1st round talent. Not when they actually suck at football.

 

[Hailmary]

Whoa! I haven't seen where anyone has even had him going on the first day. Most that I've seen had him going around the 5th or 6th...given that his draft stock has risen some this is probably not the case now, but to put him in the first is quite a stretch IMO. I think he can be had with a 3rd or 4th still....as far as where his stock is.

At least that's my guess.

I agree the 1st may be a stretch, but given his size and what he did in his pro day, I can definitely see this kid going in rd 2. I think the reason why we are not hearing him linked to teams right now is because they are keeping their mouths shut, hoping he'll fall to them.

 

[Future]

My dream draft would be to trade #22 for 2 of Atlanta's 2nds and #28 to Detroit for Roy Williams. In the 2nd, we could address RB, CB and WR (Monk or Hardy). I just hope Monk doesn't climb the boards so much where a team takes him at the end of the 1st.

I like that idea a lot...especially if we can get Atlanta's pick...like 36th overall or whatever it is.

 

[SDogo]

Except for his opinion on Matt Flynn. It makes no sense whatsoever. He's horrible.

You can't just say "leadership" makes someone a 1st round talent. Not when they actually suck at football.

Agree 100%

 

[SDogo]

[FuzzyLumpkins] Is Tyrell johnson really that good or is him being ranked so high on a lot of people's boards more a product of a weak safety class?

[Drew_Boylhart] Tyrell Johnson is definitely the latter -- a product of a weak S class. I personally think Johnson has 2nd day talent and therefore, he's being rated too high right now. He should be good, just longer LTI than most think.

BS.

What game film was he watching? Against top competition like Tennessee and Texas Johnson dominated the game. He dominated all safety's at the combine and proved he could hold is own in man coverage at the Hula Bowl. His career numbers are as good if not better then any safety in this class or the last 3. Johnson's only downfall is that he is raw and still has plenty of learning and growing to do.

[theogt] Matt Flynn has a sub-60 completion % and a 6.7 YPA his senior season, despite having a slew of good receivers. What specifically makes you think he's a 1st round talent?

[Drew_Boylhart] Matt Flynn has excellent leadership qualities along with a solid arm. He understands the pressure of big games and a big program. He also knows how to read defenses. For these reasons, I think he has 1st round talent.

Again, bad film work. Flynn has little or no pocket presence and takes way t many hits. Really took a hit during personnel workouts when his velocity and zip was questioned.

Like theogt said, he had a sub-60 completion % and that number only dropped against bigger competition.

[theogt] Do you think there's any truth or validity to this supposed new draft chart that some teams are floating around?

[Drew_Boylhart] No validity (in my opinion) to the new draft chart. In 2 years with a new contract agreement, will probably be a moot point.

The draft chart changes every year. Values are based on total number of picks and how much teams value individual players either making a pick worth more or less.

It's silly for him to say it has no validity when it happens every year.

 

[masomenos]

One thing I don't like about Drew's analysis is that he seems to give out first round grades far too willingly. I know his system is meant to be evident of how a player will be over the course of his career, but still. I mean this year he has 5 QBs rated as players who have 1st round grades, 9 LBs and 8 WRs. This isn't even a strong draft for QBs or WRs. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Originally Posted by gollum
What does this mean? Is he talking about the Labor negotiations and that there might be a draft in two years?
That's been a quiet concern for a few years now.

Actually I think he was referring to them getting away from the REDICULOUS money they give to rookies, and thus the new trade chart that's floating around will no longer be needed and the old one will work just fine then!

 

[jobberone]

Saying that he missed on some prospects as an excuse to say that hes bad is silly. He has hit on quite a few as well and some from out of nowhere. You look at what he says and it comes out is logical and backed up by facts. You can clearly rell he does his homework.

Yes you can and he has me worrying about a few players. When very roughly half the teams make mistakes on their picks at the very least, you can't take yourself too seriously about this stuff. Esp when it means nothing in regards to putting supper on the table.

I certainly don't agree with him on Jones. And I was pleased to see Hillis up there. Not that I think we'll draft him. Just that he's getting some love. Tuff guy.

 

[sbark]

Seems to insinuate that Jerry J. is unpredictable, and may already have a "pet tagged........ala Quincy C. deja vu all over again

Hey Jerry......give J. Ireland a call.....even his worst case reco would be better than reaching for another QC at any position........

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, I don't agree with Thomas as a fourth either...few people would. I do, however appreciate that he forms his own opinion, uninfluenced by popular trends. He's going to be wrong on some stuff, everyone is.

BTW, I don't use the term "pets" as a derogatory one. Having an interest in seeing a star on a player's helmet is basically what I mean by having pets.

It's interesting. Drew and really, the Huddle Report, do not try and grade players according to where they will be drafted. They grade players according to where they think they should be drafted. It's about the value the player should carry as opposed to the value that many believe they might have.

It's not for everyone but I do like the way they run there evaluations.

 

[CATCH17]

Saying Matt Flynn is a 1st round talent just really hurts your credibility.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Saying definitively one way or another at this point of these players progression that someone is definitely wrong is nonsensical. Look at his evals from three years ago and then get back to me.

 

[CATCH17]

OH btw if he is right about Matt Flynn you guys better give Jerry his # ASAP.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Plus, he takes the time to come here 3 times and chat. The respectful thing to do if you don't like the guy is to say nothing, not take shots at him.

And this is why Big Dakota is one of the posters I hold great respect for.

These guys didn't have to come and spend time here. They, like many of us, have families and lives. I appriciate the effort and the time spent, regardless of what views of certain players are.

Well said Dakota and thank you for pointing that out.

ABQ

 

[theogt]

Saying definitively one way or another at this point of these players progression that someone is definitely wrong is nonsensical. Look at his evals from three years ago and then get back to me.

How about his 1st round grade on Montavious Stanley? Ranking Lendale White 20 or so spots ahead of Joseph Addai? I mean there's tons of room to criticize.

I like the guy. I pay for his service. I appreciate what he does. But no one is exempt from criticism.

 

[Big Dakota]

How about his 1st round grade on Montavious Stanley? Ranking Lendale White 20 or so spots ahead of Joseph Addai? I mean there's tons of room to criticize.

I like the guy. I pay for his service. I appreciate what he does. But no one is exempt from criticism.

I too pay for their service. I too believe we should be able to critique the opinions. I too was very disappointed in the way Stanley turned out because i took to hart Drew's opinion on the kid. But when we take into consideration he's not one of us "Zoners" and has to take the time to come here, all i would hope to see is some respect. No need to call the guy clueless when he clearly puts in a ton of time at evaluating talent. We may disagree, but clueless totally dismisses him and none of us want to be totally dismissed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are so many failures in the draft that looking at them as the source of evaluation is pontless. Something like half of the first rounders selected each year flop and by the time that you get to the 7th its plain abysmal.

you look at what he has called right and go from there.

Its like saying that a baseball player sucks because he strikes out 10% of the time. 65% of MLB plate appearances fail so succeeding 40% of the time you go to bat is great.. i would say that a far cry more draft prospects fail than that.

 

[Big Dakota]

There are so many failures in the draft that looking at them as the source of evaluation is pontless. Something like half of the first rounders selected each year flop and by the time that you get to the 7th its plain abysmal.

you look at what he has called right and go from there.

Its like saying that a baseball player sucks because he strikes out 10% of the time. 65% of MLB plate appearances fail so succeeding 40% of the time you go to bat is great.. i would say that a far cry more draft prospects fail than that.

I was talking to my bud and fellow draftnik the other day. I told him we should start a site that evaluates 20 of the "top" draft sites as to how their top 100 do in the pros and keep pdating it every year. It would take a ton on time and probably not we worth the effort money wise, but it would be nice to see evaluations of guys like Kiper, draftcountdown, THR, etc etc. on a yearly basis several years after the draft.

 

[theogt]

There are so many failures in the draft that looking at them as the source of evaluation is pontless. Something like half of the first rounders selected each year flop and by the time that you get to the 7th its plain abysmal.

you look at what he has called right and go from there.

Its like saying that a baseball player sucks because he strikes out 10% of the time. 65% of MLB plate appearances fail so succeeding 40% of the time you go to bat is great.. i would say that a far cry more draft prospects fail than that.

So we can't discuss his current rankings and we can't evaluate his prior rankings.

Gotcha.

Who invited the thought police again?