Craig Morton vs Roger Staubach/Gary Hogeboom vs Danny White-How Did You Feel?

[DWhite Fan]

Danny was similar to Morton.....

You lost your credibility right there :starspin

 

[mmillman]

Danny White was very average. He had great talent around him but always managed to make critical mistakes. Didn't help that he followed a legend.

 

[Doomsday101]

Danny White was very average. He had great talent around him but always managed to make critical mistakes. Didn't help that he followed a legend.

Danny had allot of talent that was getting up in age and draft picks that became bust. That was not the same situation Roger had where he took over a SB team and saw some very good draft classes that helped continue the winning in Dallas

 

[KJJ]

You lost your credibility right there :starspin

So you disagree that White and Morton weren't similar? Both couldn't get it done with the same teams Staubach led to championships. Morton tossed 3 picks and had a passer rating of 34.1 against the Colts in SB V he was HORRIBLE! Staubach led that same team the following year to their first championship. Morton was the inspiration behind the term "sack". Deacon Jones took him down so many times he said he was like a sack of Morton's salt and the rest is history. He was so miserable against the Cowboys in SB 12 he ended up getting benched. He was sacked over 400 times in his career. As for Danny White he was handed the same team with the same core players who were still in their prime that Staubach led to a championship 2 years earlier.

White played AWFUL against Philly in the 80 NFC title game. He only threw for 127 yards and had a passer rating of 38.0. He choked on the final drive against San Fran fumbling a chance to win the game with a late FG. We saw in that game why Joe Montana went on to win 4 SB's and Danny Whites career slowly went in the toilet. Danny could tease you with some nice stats and regular season performances but couldn't get it done when it mattered most.

 

[KJJ]

Danny had allot of talent that was getting up in age and draft picks that became bust. That was not the same situation Roger had where he took over a SB team and saw some very good draft classes that helped continue the winning in Dallas

White took over a team that had just won a SB 2 years earlier under Staubach. Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Tony Dorsett and Randy White were all in their 20's when White took over. That was still an excellent team with a core group of players who were still in their prime.

 

[KJJ]

White had his share of big comebacks in post season as well. Vs Tampa and Alt he pulled out some wins that looked like they were lost causes. Even the game vs SF we scored the points the defense could not stop SF in that game yet White took the blame?

White had a few comebacks most notably the Monday night comeback against Washington in 83 and the playoff comeback against Atlanta in 1980. He followed the Atlanta comeback with a complete meltdown against Philly in the title game. As for his late fumble against San Fran in the 81 championship our defense couldn't stop San Fran but that doesn't excuse White for that fumble. He knew the situation and the ball was in his hands with the Cowboys 15 yards away from a makable FG attempt and he coughed the ball up...GAME OVER! The 49ers D couldn't stop the Cowboys either when they took the lead with just over 4 minutes to play. Montana could have very easily turned the ball over at some point during the 49ers last ditch drive but like Montana went on to do his entire career he made the play in the face of a stiff pass rush to win the game.

He's arguably the greatest QB that ever lived because of dramatic plays like that. White also had a critical int late in the 3rd quarter deep in Cowboy territory that cost the team points. White had opportunities to get to SB's and win titles but in those situations that Montana and Staubach thrived in White couldn't make the plays. Championships usually come down to a QB having to make a play for their team to win and White could never make the plays when they mattered most. He was a good(better than average)QB but he wasn't special...FACT!

 

[DWhite Fan]

White had a few comebacks most notably the Monday night comeback against Washington in 83 and the playoff comeback against Atlanta in 1980. He followed the Atlanta comeback with a complete meltdown against Philly in the title game. As for his late fumble against San Fran in the 81 championship our defense couldn't stop San Fran but that doesn't excuse White for that fumble. He knew the situation and the ball was in his hands with the Cowboys 15 yards away from a makable FG attempt and he coughed the ball up...GAME OVER! The 49ers D couldn't stop the Cowboys either when they took the lead with just over 4 minutes to play. Montana could have very easily turned the ball over at some point during the 49ers last ditch drive but like Montana went on to do his entire career he made the play in the face of a stiff pass rush to win the game.

He's arguably the greatest QB that ever lived because of dramatic plays like that. White also had a critical int late in the 3rd quarter deep in Cowboy territory that cost the team points. White had opportunities to get to SB's and win titles but in those situations that Montana and Staubach thrived in White couldn't make the plays. Championships usually come down to a QB having to make a play for their team to win and White could never make the plays when they mattered most. He was a good(better than average)QB but he wasn't special...FACT!

In your opinion

 

[DWhite Fan]

White played AWFUL against Philly in the 80 NFC title game. He only threw for 127 yards and had a passer rating of 38.0. He choked on the final drive against San Fran fumbling a chance to win the game with a late FG. We saw in that game why Joe Montana went on to win 4 SB's and Danny Whites career slowly went in the toilet. Danny could tease you with some nice stats and regular season performances but couldn't get it done when it mattered most.

How did that Championship defense do against Wilbert Montgomery? How good a game did Dorsett have? See, there is more to a game than just the QB. Didn't Roger, with virtually the same team, loss to the Rams in '79?

You are entitled to your OPINION about White, but that doesn't make your statements FACTS.

Danny White was a damn good QB who's only crime was that he was not Roger Staubach.

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[The Emperor]

How did that Championship defense do against Wilbert Montgomery? How good a game did Dorsett have? See, there is more to a game than just the QB. Didn't Roger, with virtually the same team, loss to the Rams in '79?

You are entitled to your OPINION about White, but that doesn't make your statements FACTS.

Danny White was a damn good QB who's only crime was that he was not Roger Staubach.

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There's three players missing from that '77 team that might have made all the difference in the world for the early '80s Cowboys: Mel Renfro, Cliff Harris, and Hollywood Henderson. How KJ52 gets away with saying it's the same team, I don't know.

 

[KJJ]

How did that Championship defense do against Wilbert Montgomery? How good a game did Dorsett have? See, there is more to a game than just the QB. Didn't Roger, with virtually the same team, loss to the Rams in '79?

You are entitled to your OPINION about White, but that doesn't make your statements FACTS.

Danny White was a damn good QB who's only crime was that he was not Roger Staubach.

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The entire team performed better with Staubach because they believed in him especially when they got behind. You never saw the Cowboys mail it in when Staubach was behind center. In the 79 playoff loss to the Rams it took a couple of fluky plays to beat the Cowboys. Someone here posted several Youtube clips of that game go do some research and relive the Rams two lucky moments. That was a competitive game that went down to the wire the playoff loss to Philly a year later with White behind center wasn't competitive. White had a DREADFUL game that day and he contributed to the loss. Care to deny that? I never saw Staubach have a day like that in game that had a title on the line. Danny was a good QB as long as a title wasn't at stake. Anyone who denies he didn't choke in big games either doesn't remember his career or is in denial.

 

[KJJ]

You are entitled to your OPINION about White, but that doesn't make your statements FACTS.

I said Danny was a good QB better than average but he wasn't special and that's a fact. Are you saying he was special?

 

[KJJ]

How good a game did Dorsett have? See, there is more to a game than just the QB.

You are entitled to your OPINION about White, but that doesn't make your statements FACTS.

Maybe had White completed a little more than 38.7% of his passes that day it might have opened up a few lanes for Dorsett. :toast:

 

[802dave]

Cowboys pay stiff penalty, 17-14
Errors, injuries hurt Dallas, help Giants
11/3/1986
By TIM COWLISHAW / The Dallas Morning News

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Danny White is gone. Fractured right wrist. Finished for the season with "slim' chances of returning for the playoffs.

The Cowboys, of course, have to earn a playoff invitation before worrying about White's availability, and their chances were reduced Sunday. Not erased by any means, but the final seven weeks now represent at least a struggle.

Sunday's 17-14 defeat in Giants Stadium was a particularly frustrating one for the Cowboys because they knew New York could not hurt them with the pass – Phil Simms threw for 67 yards – yet they could not prevent Joe Morris from rushing for 181 yards and two touchdowns. Likewise, they knew they could move the ball against the Giants' defense – they totaled 408 yards – but could score only twice.

And, ultimately, it was frustrating because the chances to secure at least a tying field goal in the final two minutes were there and so were the plays – a 30-yard pass to Tony Dorsett to the Giants' six, a 30-yard pass to Timmy Newsome to the Giants' 11. Both were erased by penalties against the Cowboys' right tackle, Phil Pozderac, who found the crowd noise and George Martin too tough a parlay to handle.

"What do you say about the end?" coach Tom Landry said. "We had the plays to tie, but sometimes it doesn't work. We made the plays but the penalties hurt us."

Then the following week, if memory serves, was when Landry had the news briefing where he was going to announce the starting qb and he says "Pozderac", kind of snickers disgustedly and then says Hogeboom.

Pozderac was on his list!

 

[burmafrd]

KJJ obviously hated White so take anything he says there with a large grain of salt.

 

[KJJ]

KJJ obviously hated White so take anything he says there with a large grain of salt.

Regardless whether I like a player or dislike them I'm objective. I didn't hate Danny but his ill timed turnovers frustrated me as did the 3 straight NFC title game losses. He was what he was a good QB who had some nice games but couldn't get the team over the hump. Just telling it like it was. So far Romo has been another Danny White now watch a few take exception to that. LOL

 

[Doomsday101]

White had a few comebacks most notably the Monday night comeback against Washington in 83 and the playoff comeback against Atlanta in 1980. He followed the Atlanta comeback with a complete meltdown against Philly in the title game. As for his late fumble against San Fran in the 81 championship our defense couldn't stop San Fran but that doesn't excuse White for that fumble. He knew the situation and the ball was in his hands with the Cowboys 15 yards away from a makable FG attempt and he coughed the ball up...GAME OVER! The 49ers D couldn't stop the Cowboys either when they took the lead with just over 4 minutes to play. Montana could have very easily turned the ball over at some point during the 49ers last ditch drive but like Montana went on to do his entire career he made the play in the face of a stiff pass rush to win the game.

He's arguably the greatest QB that ever lived because of dramatic plays like that. White also had a critical int late in the 3rd quarter deep in Cowboy territory that cost the team points. White had opportunities to get to SB's and win titles but in those situations that Montana and Staubach thrived in White couldn't make the plays. Championships usually come down to a QB having to make a play for their team to win and White could never make the plays when they mattered most. He was a good(better than average)QB but he wasn't special...FACT!

White had a melt down? Philly ran for 181 on the defense Philly was able to control the clock and the game. Dallas as a team was getting older you had guys like Randy White heading towards the end of their careers and the players we hoped would develop did not this was not the same championship caliber team that Roger helped

 

[ZeroClub]

Since we are now at the offseason, I thought it would be fun to go back to a couple of relatively shortterm quarterback controversies from days past. I was a little bit young to appreciate the Craig Morton vs Staubach debate (it was really around the mid 70's when I was old enough to understand football). However, where there any of you, at the time, who favored Craig Morton remaining as quarterback over Staubach. Obviously, Roger is a legend and I think we can all agree he is the greatest or second greatest Cowboys quarterback of all-time. However, did any of you support Morton when that controversy began?

Let's also talk about the Danny White and Gary Hogeboom controversy. I was always a huge Danny White fan and remember thinking at the time that it was one of the few major mistakes Tom Landry made with the Cowboys. I know White got criticized a lot for losing the championship games, but Danny was a winner and tough as nails. I always thought the players turned on Danny to a degree when he took a pro-management stand and because Hogeboom was considered more like "one of the guys" Landry let the players influence him. White was never quite the same after that even when he returned as starter, though some people forget he was having a great season when he got his wrist broken toward the end of his career. If that hadn't have happened, he probably would have had another three or four solid years left. Even when the Cowboys drafted Aikman, I always thought instead of drafting Steve Walsh as well, they could have kept White around for another season or two as Aikman's backup and let Aikman learn from White, who went on to become a good coach in Arena football.

What was everyone's thought on the White-Hogeboom battle at the time? Was anyone in Hogeboom's corner?

Morton was promising for a while there, but I was always a Staubach fan. Actually, I still am.

Danny White was good, but Staubach was impossible to follow.

Toward the end of White's career (not unlike Aikman's) his jersey number could have been replaced with a bullseye. His escapability was gone and, given the inferior OL play, he was a sack waiting to happen.

After the first several years of White's time as a starter, I was ready to see someone else give it a try. So, yeah, I was ready for Gary Hogeboom. I was also ready for Reggie Collier, Steve Pelluer, and Kevin Sweeney....

 

[Tricericon]

Didn't Roger, with virtually the same team, loss to the Rams in '79?

Didn't he get knocked out of that game with a concussion?

 

[DWhite Fan]

I said Danny was a good QB better than average but he wasn't special and that's a fact. Are you saying he was special?

Yes sir, I a saying he was special. Winning in the NFL is special. IF you don't believe that, just ask Detroit. I am not saying he was better than Roger. I am saying that those 80s losses where the result of a lot more than just Danny.

Curious, with your logic, I guess you think Don Meredith was a choker too?

 

[DWhite Fan]

Didn't he get knocked out of that game with a concussion?

I think he got his bell rung, but he was in the game at the end.
I am not picking on Roger. Waddy's TD was a defensive breakdown that never should have happened. I can still see him breaking free down the middle of the field. I was so hoping Dallas would make it back to the SB that year. Would have loved to see a rematch with the Steelers in Pasadena.
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