Twitter: Crawford: Witten and Escobar talk the most trash on offense

[Corso]

I'd be talking trash too if I had to line opposite our anemic, weak so-called secondary or linebackers.

Oh, i'd talk trash regardless. heh

You my kind of cretin Gimme.
Always knew it.

 

[KJJ]

Sooner or later, it's going to dawn on people that Escobar makes a fair number of plays for his role, and they'll get by their resentment of the player for no other reason than their frustration with where he went in the draft.

Any other seconde year player who's playing well enough to talk some smack we'd normally be pretty happy about. Wilcox is a case in point. You can't talk if you're not making plays on the field, so if Escobar is talking, it stands to reason that's probably a good thing right about now.

The Cowboys didn't need to use the 47th overall pick for the role Escobar has. As long as Witten is productive Escobar will never live up to his 2nd round draft status. I can assure you 9 catches for 134 yards and 2 TD's isn't exactly what the Cowboys had in mind when they drafted Escobar. Some defended Marty B when he was here but he was drafted in the 2nd round to be a productive player in the passing game along with Witten. The Cowboys had many other needs than to waste a 2nd round pick on another TE. James Hanna who was drafted in the 6th round in 2012 had more receptions than Escobar. The Cowboys have a plan on paper for these TE's but can't get it to work on the field. Both Fasano and Marty B had more productive rookie seasons than Escobar. Hanna had only one fewer catch his rookie season than Escobar.

A player making some plays in practice against his own teammates isn't a reason to be trash talking in my opinion. Escobar needs to establish himself as one of the better players on the team before he starts talking trash. It's easy for anyone on the Cowboys offense to talk trash with our defense. Everyones confidence gets a huge boost making play after play in practice against one of the worst defenses in league history. We'll see if Escobar is talking trash with the 49ers D on opening day or with the Seahawks D in week 6.

 

[KJJ]

The dude knows he's good. So do most of the informed fans in here and everywhere else. Just because they didn't get him the ball that much last year don't mean the kid is not any good.

I never said he wasn't any good. I have no problem with the "player" it's the "position" we picked I have a problem with. As long as Witten is productive Escobar is never going to see many passes. Both Fasano and Marty B became pretty productive players on teams that didn't have a Jason Witten. All the Cowboys are doing is developing TE's so they can produce for someone else once their contracts are up in Dallas. Jimmy Graham who was a 2nd round pick only had 5 receptions for 31 yards as a rookie playing in the shadow of Jeremy Shockey.

Once Shockey was released the following year Graham exploded for 99 catches for over 1300 yards and 11 TD's. Escobar could be a terrific player but he's not being given the opportunity playing with Witten. The Cowboys keep repeating the same damn mistake every few years with these TE's. If they're going to use a premium pick on a TE then move on from Witten so these players will be given an opportunity to be productive players.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You my kind of cretin Gimme.
Always knew it.

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I appreciate that, Clarke.

 

[5Stars]

I never said he wasn't any good. I have no problem with the "player" it's the "position" we picked I have a problem with. As long as Witten is productive Escobar is never going to see many passes. Both Fasano and Marty B became pretty productive players on teams that didn't have a Jason Witten. All the Cowboys are doing is developing TE's so they can produce for someone else once their contracts are up in Dallas. Jimmy Graham who was a 2nd round pick only had 5 receptions for 31 yards as a rookie playing in the shadow of Jeremy Shockey.

Once Shockey was released the following year Graham exploded for 99 catches for over 1300 yards and 11 TD's. Escobar could be a terrific player but he's not being given the opportunity playing with Witten. The Cowboys keep repeating the same damn mistake every few years with these TE's. If they're going to use a premium pick on a TE then move on from Witten so these players will be given an opportunity to be productive players.

lmao...yeah, that makes perfect sense! Cut a future HOF'er so that a rookie can have a chance.

smh

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The dude knows he's good. So do most of the informed fans in here and everywhere else. Just because they didn't get him the ball that much last year don't mean the kid is not any good.

Rawrum!

 

[Risen Star]

I don't think they're trying to talk trash. They're simply calling out the numbers of our front seven for pass protection purposes.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

lmao...yeah, that makes perfect sense! Cut a future HOF'er so that a rookie can have a chance.

smh

I guess Route666 was also pulling for Emmitt to make a comeback during his last year on the Cowboys.
No one is axing to waive Witten. Just stating the obvious: the new TE was drafted for a reason and that is to, wisely, plan for the future when Witten is dragging from old age and injuries.
so untwist them, half a beer and get with the (future) program.

 

[Tawney88]

Lol

Witten said today on the Fan that Dez is a bigger trash talker. Specifically on game day but in general too. Also said Brian Dawkins used to trash talk him a lot.

 

[Idgit]

The Cowboys didn't need to use the 47th overall pick for the role Escobar has. As long as Witten is productive Escobar will never live up to his 2nd round draft status. I can assure you 9 catches for 134 yards and 2 TD's isn't exactly what the Cowboys had in mind when they drafted Escobar. Some defended Marty B when he was here but he was drafted in the 2nd round to be a productive player in the passing game along with Witten. The Cowboys had many other needs than to waste a 2nd round pick on another TE. James Hanna who was drafted in the 6th round in 2012 had more receptions than Escobar. The Cowboys have a plan on paper for these TE's but can't get it to work on the field. Both Fasano and Marty B had more productive rookie seasons than Escobar. Hanna had only one fewer catch his rookie season than Escobar.

A player making some plays in practice against his own teammates isn't a reason to be trash talking in my opinion. Escobar needs to establish himself as one of the better players on the team before he starts talking trash. It's easy for anyone on the Cowboys offense to talk trash with our defense. Everyones confidence gets a huge boost making play after play in practice against one of the worst defenses in league history. We'll see if Escobar is talking trash with the 49ers D on opening day or with the Seahawks D in week 6.

They most certainly did draft him with the idea of developing his blocking for a season. And they said on draft day that was likely to be an issue for him but that he was one of the few guys they thought could play the y for them after some work and getting stronger. But that's all academic, anyway, because it's got zero to do with whether or not it's appropriate for the guy to talk smack in practice.

If he's making plays, he can talk all he wants. It doesn't matter how good you happen to think he is or isn't. It doesn't matter how strong or weak our defense is. And we will see whether he's talking trash if he's making plays in the regular season. I'd say if he does, that's a good thing for us, though, and not something I'm going to get on the guy for just because I can't reconcile myself to the idea that he was a second round pick when I wanted somebody at another position entirely.

On a related note, if this was Devin Street or Tyron Crawford talking smack right now, do you honestly think anybody would have a problem with it? Because I think the reaction would be overwhelmingly positive if it were coming from a guy who's not a whipping boy for no good reason.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think they're trying to talk trash. They're simply calling out the numbers of our front seven for pass protection purposes.

Zing! "Ben Bass!! Ben Bass!!!"

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't know when this whole, "you have to be good to talk trash" thing started, but its pure empirical bs. All you have to do to talk smack, is to be good talking smack. Your ability to ball has no bearing on your own ability or justification. The only bearing it has is on how others might respond to your trash.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Cowboys didn't need to use the 47th overall pick for the role Escobar has. As long as Witten is productive Escobar will never live up to his 2nd round draft status. I can assure you 9 catches for 134 yards and 2 TD's isn't exactly what the Cowboys had in mind when they drafted Escobar. Some defended Marty B when he was here but he was drafted in the 2nd round to be a productive player in the passing game along with Witten. The Cowboys had many other needs than to waste a 2nd round pick on another TE. James Hanna who was drafted in the 6th round in 2012 had more receptions than Escobar. The Cowboys have a plan on paper for these TE's but can't get it to work on the field. Both Fasano and Marty B had more productive rookie seasons than Escobar. Hanna had only one fewer catch his rookie season than Escobar.

A player making some plays in practice against his own teammates isn't a reason to be trash talking in my opinion. Escobar needs to establish himself as one of the better players on the team before he starts talking trash. It's easy for anyone on the Cowboys offense to talk trash with our defense. Everyones confidence gets a huge boost making play after play in practice against one of the worst defenses in league history. We'll see if Escobar is talking trash with the 49ers D on opening day or with the Seahawks D in week 6.

lol doubling down on the crying and angst doesn't mitigate his point in the slightest. Apparently he has to be a probowler to be worth the 47th pick. that gets another lol at your spoiled sense of entitlement.

 

[wileedog]

I don't think they're trying to talk trash. They're simply calling out the numbers of our front seven for pass protection purposes.

Witten was ridden mercilessly by Parcells his rookie year. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this is completely true.

 

[Idgit]

I don't know when this whole, "you have to be good to talk trash" thing started, but its pure empirical bs. All you have to do to talk smack, is to be good talking smack. Your ability to ball has no bearing on your own ability or justification. The only bearing it has is on how others might respond to your trash.

If message boards have taught us anything, it's that absolutely anybody can talk trash.

 

[Szczepanik]

Maybe this is why Escobar has his mouth open 24/7 while he breaths. Can't talk smack if it's shut

 

[KJJ]

lol doubling down on the crying and angst doesn't mitigate his point in the slightest. Apparently he has to be a probowler to be worth the 47th pick. that gets another lol at your spoiled sense of entitlement.

To be worth the 47th pick he has to produce more than a TE that was taken in the 6th round a year earlier. The Cowboys had 2 TE's last season who caught more balls than Escobar how's that for an lol. An 8-8 team can't afford to be wasting a #2 pick on a role player when they already have a HOF caliber player at the position and a second year TE who showed potential as a rookie. A mediocre team like the Cowboys need to be looking for starters in the 2nd round not role players. This is just one of the many reasons this team is in a 4 year playoff drought and hasn't had a winning season since 09. Apparently the Cowboys have designated the 2nd round for drafting injured players and TE's there's another lol for you.

There were players that could have helped the Cowboys a lot more than a TE. They could have traded down 13 spots and got Eddie Lacy who would have been a huge help subbing for an injured Murray twice last season. All the Cowboys needed was one ONE freaking first down vs Detroit in the final minute and a half to wrap that game up but the 2 stiffs playing for an injured Murray went for minus 4 yards on 2 carries enabling the Lions to get the ball back with just enough time to pull the game out.

Drafting Lacy would have prevented him from gashing the Cowboys for 141 yards while watching the Packers eat away at a 23 point lead. It was Lacy who led the Packers on their game winning drive carrying the ball 5 times and scoring the go ahead TD. The Cowboys could have traded down into the 3rd round and drafted Bennie Logan who had 2 sacks starting 8 games for Philly. He certainly would have helped with all the defensive injures the Cowboys suffered last season which forced them to have to sign scrubs off the street and play them a few days later.

 

[Idgit]

To be worth the 47th pick he has to produce more than a TE that was taken in the 6th round a year earlier. The Cowboys had 2 TE's last season who caught more balls than Escobar how's that for an lol. An 8-8 team can't afford to be wasting a #2 pick on a role player when they already have a HOF caliber player at the position and a second year TE who showed potential as a rookie. A mediocre team like the Cowboys need to be looking for starters in the 2nd round not role players. This is just one of the many reasons this team is in a 4 year playoff drought and hasn't had a winning season since 09. Apparently the Cowboys have designated the 2nd round for drafting injured players and TE's there's another lol for you.

There were players that could have helped the Cowboys a lot more than a TE. They could have traded down 13 spots and got Eddie Lacy who would have been a huge help subbing for an injured Murray twice last season. All the Cowboys needed was one ONE freaking first down vs Detroit in the final minute and a half to wrap that game up but the 2 stiffs playing for an injured Murray went for minus 4 yards on 2 carries enabling the Lions to get the ball back with just enough time to pull the game out.

Drafting Lacy would have prevented him from gashing the Cowboys for 141 yards while watching the Packers eat away at a 23 point lead. It was Lacy who led the Packers on their game winning drive carrying the ball 5 times and scoring the go ahead TD. The Cowboys could have traded down into the 3rd round and drafted Bennie Logan who had 2 sacks starting 8 games for Philly. He certainly would have helped with all the defensive injures the Cowboys suffered last season which forced them to have to sign scrubs off the street and play them a few days later.

Why in the world do you keep conflating draft position with any given player's ability or right to talk smack? They are not in any way related.

Had we not drafted Escobar when we did, and had he slid into the third round, instead, where he was a relative value, or the fourth where it'd have been a no-brainer, and we taken him then...could he then be talking smack and that would be somehow ok with you?

 

[Alexander]

Maybe this is why Escobar has his mouth open 24/7 while he breaths. Can't talk smack if it's shut

Someone said a while back and it is true. He is incapable of closing his mouth.

 

[KJJ]

They most certainly did draft him with the idea of developing his blocking for a season. And they said on draft day that was likely to be an issue for him but that he was one of the few guys they thought could play the y for them after some work and getting stronger. But that's all academic, anyway, because it's got zero to do with whether or not it's appropriate for the guy to talk smack in practice.

If he's making plays, he can talk all he wants. It doesn't matter how good you happen to think he is or isn't. It doesn't matter how strong or weak our defense is. And we will see whether he's talking trash if he's making plays in the regular season. I'd say if he does, that's a good thing for us, though, and not something I'm going to get on the guy for just because I can't reconcile myself to the idea that he was a second round pick when I wanted somebody at another position entirely.

On a related note, if this was Devin Street or Tyron Crawford talking smack right now, do you honestly think anybody would have a problem with it? Because I think the reaction would be overwhelmingly positive if it were coming from a guy who's not a whipping boy for no good reason.

The Cowboys need to develop Escobar as a receiver that's why they invested a #2 on him. The Cowboys always try and make it appear everything is going just as planned with these TE's they did that every year with Marty B. The fact is Escobar was lost in the crowd of skill position players on the roster last season. Terrance Williams had an excellent rookie season producing much better than a 3rd round pick but had opportunities to produce with Austin having injury issues and being on the way out. The dilemma the Cowboys have with Escobar is he and Beasley fill similar roles with each lining up in the slot. The Cowboys obviously want to increase Escobar's role due to what they invested in him but if Beasley continues to produce he'll get more of the opportunities.

As for Tyrone Crawford and Devin Street talking smack no one would have an issue with it because they weren't 2nd round draft picks. Escobar being the 3rd TE the Cowboys have drafted in the 2nd round since 06 has put a target on his back with fans expecting a lot from him. Most Cowboy fans were pissed off at the team drafting another 2nd round TE so he's going to receive a lot more scrutiny than players like Crawford and Street. Making plays in practice is one thing but it's another to make them in a game. It's easy to talk smack when you're lining up against a bunch of scrubs trying to make a team in training camp. I don't expect Escobar to be talking any smack to Patrick Willis when the Cowboys face SF on opening day or Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas in week 6 vs Seattle.