Culpepper released

[Kilyin]

Apparently, everyone in this thread (with the exception of dbair and superpunk, who summarized it nicely) needs LASIK surgery.

Put the "but it was the O-Line!" excuse away. We saw that sucker laid on the table too many times with Deadslow. Culpepper is garbage.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

I am feeling that the raiders might try but he will say no, he will end up with have playing his last season in the NFL.

Someone will sign him. He won't be a starter, but someone will take a chance.

 

[DLCassidy]

It's so David. I have always liked Culpepper. He'd have to be healthy though and right now I'm not so sure he is.

Oh and the comparison to Crankcase is a bad one. I'll take Daunte's 2000 or 2004 season over any 2 of Crank's seasons put together, and from 2000 to 2004 over Crank's 4 year career plus his next 5 in the NFL should he ever make it back by some fluke.

Crankcase might have looked decent throwing to Randy Moss at his best. Take away Moss and Culpepper is mediocre at best- look at his "no Moss" stats. Now post injury, you take away Culpepper's running ability and you've got Crankcase II. Talking about 2000 or 2004 is just silly at this point.

 

[silverbear]

Call me crazy, but if the price is right, I'd prefer him as the 3rd guy over Moore, Baker, or Bartel.

Not going to happen I know, but I've always liked the guy.

You're not crazy, Hos, I just disagree on one minor detail:

I'd sign him to be the 2nd guy, and let Brad Johnson go... the thing is, I don't think he'd be interested in coming to Dallas to be Tony's backup...

 

[silverbear]

I don't care to sign him at all. I think he is one of the most overrated players in the last 10 years.

Actually, his career numbers are pretty good...

 

[silverbear]

you have affection for an interception and fumble prone bonehead of a QB?

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis??

In 85 games, Culpepper has thrown all of 89 ints, and has lost 35 fumbles... he's only thrown more than 16 ints in a season once in his career (23 in 2002, when he threw 549 passes)... that works out to 23 turnovers for every 16 games played, and that's not a really high number... particularly not when Culpepper has thrown an average of 32.25 passes per game...

His career interception percentage stands at 3.25%, which is actually quite good... so is his average of 248.1 yards per game passing...

 

[Garland powerplay]

Don't forget Brad Johnson won a superbowl. He's pretty darn good. He won the QB competition against all the elite a couple years ago.

 

[silverbear]

Apparently, everyone in this thread (with the exception of dbair and superpunk, who summarized it nicely) needs LASIK surgery.

Put the "but it was the O-Line!" excuse away. We saw that sucker laid on the table too many times with Deadslow. Culpepper is garbage.

"Garbage" with a quarterback rating over 90 for his career... in 06, a QBR of 90.8 would have ranked him 10th among QBs with 150 attempts or more... in 05, it would have ranked him 7th... in 04, he would have ranked 12th... in 03, he would have ranked 6th...

Some "garbage"... perhaps it's YOU who needs Lasik surgery, wild man... either that, or a reality check...

 

[Garland powerplay]

What were his stats last year? The Dolphins couldn't keep him with the money. They will get more for their money with Green although I wish he stayed in KC. Culpepper may regenerate but will have to prove hisself over maybe playing for minimum which most teams don't think he's worth right now.

 

[Hoofbite]

His ego would never allow such a thing.

I've always viewed him as a guy who had all the physical skills you need to play quarterback but a guy lacking in the cerebral skills.

My money is on Jacksonville.

So he wouldn't be a 3rd for Dallas but he would for JAX?


Personally, Id take the guy over Johnson.

 

[dbair1967]

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis??

In 85 games, Culpepper has thrown all of 89 ints, and has lost 35 fumbles... he's only thrown more than 16 ints in a season once in his career (23 in 2002, when he threw 549 passes)... that works out to 23 turnovers for every 16 games played, and that's not a really high number... particularly not when Culpepper has thrown an average of 32.25 passes per game...

His career interception percentage stands at 3.25%, which is actually quite good... so is his average of 248.1 yards per game passing...

I'm talking about his last couple of seasons...sure he didnt play all the games, but go look those numbers up

its bad

David

 

[tunahelper]

If healthy, Culpepper would be an asset to a team?

 

[dbair1967]

Actually, his career numbers are pretty good...

another case of "stats are for losers"

Culpepper is not a good QB...he had 3 good seasons and 3 mediocre to bad ones...and when he is bad, he is really really bad

David

 

[Stash]

So he wouldn't be a 3rd for Dallas but he would for JAX?


Personally, Id take the guy over Johnson.

I think he'd have a legitimate chance to start in Jacksonville.

Garrard blew his chance and Del Rio and Leftwich don't get along.

That team is primed for big changes if they don't win - and win now.

 

[Vintage]

I think he'd have a legitimate chance to start in Jacksonville.

Garrard blew his chance and Del Rio and Leftwich don't get along.

That team is primed for big changes if they don't win - and win now.

Agreed. With that defense, they should be a perennial playoff team.

 

[joseephuss]

another case of "stats are for losers"

Culpepper is not a good QB...he had 3 good seasons and 3 mediocre to bad ones...and when he is bad, he is really really bad

David

When he was good he was really good. That is why is career stats "for losers" are really good. Here are some more of the good stats since the bad ones have been mentioned. He has attributed 167 TDs over 8 seasons. That is just over 20 per season. He sat the bench the majority of his first year and missed a full season due to injury during the last two. That bumps the average to about 27 TDs per full season. He gets 1.96 TDs per game(167 in 85 games). That is really good.

How you can look at his career and say he is just Quincy Carter? That is just is crazy. It isn't even close. He should not have even been playing last year because he was injured. If Troy Aikman played with a bad knee in 1992 or 1993 he would have looked bad. He probably is still injured and that is really all any one needs to know about Culpepper at this point.

I get you don't like the guy. I just don't understand how anyone thinks he is the worst QB out there even injured. The guys is a decent QB. He is not the best or in the top tier although he has had a couple of seasons in that range, but he is not close to being in the bottom half of QBs in the NFL. I am not for going after him because of his injury, not because of his skills.

Teams can do worse and have done worse with QBs that aren't as good as Culpepper. I would have rather had Duante in 2003 over QC. Heck, I would take Culpepper over every QB Dallas had from 2000-2005. That is not because Culpepper is great(he is good), but because the Dallas QBs were bad during those years. Even Aikman in 2000 because his body had deteriorated.

 

[superpunk]

Just a few things, joseephus.

Culpepper has thrown 137 TDs in 85 games - not 167. That's 1.61 per game. That's not bad, in fact it's pretty good, I guess - I don't have a wide range of comparison. He also throws 1.04 INTs per game, takes 2.93 sacks per game, and loses 0.41 fumbles per game.

So,you can expect him to (a) turn it over 24 times every season, (b) take 50 sacks per year and (c) throw about 26 TDs per season - for his average.

Is that "ok"? Maybe.

The problem is, he's getting worse and worse. Miami had weapons to use on offense. He is just too incompetent. You can't look back to where he was in Minnesota as a gauge, because he's not that guy anymore. His mobility is shot, and he doesn't have the mind, arm or accuracy to compensate.

 

[joseephuss]

Just a few things, joseephus.

Culpepper has thrown 137 TDs in 85 games - not 167. That's 1.61 per game. That's not bad, in fact it's pretty good, I guess - I don't have a wide range of comparison. He also throws 1.04 INTs per game, takes 2.93 sacks per game, and loses 0.41 fumbles per game.

So,you can expect him to (a) turn it over 24 times every season, (b) take 50 sacks per year and (c) throw about 26 TDs per season - for his average.

Is that "ok"? Maybe.

The problem is, he's getting worse and worse. Miami had weapons to use on offense. He is just too incompetent. You can't look back to where he was in Minnesota as a gauge, because he's not that guy anymore. His mobility is shot, and he doesn't have the mind, arm or accuracy to compensate.

It was 167 TDs total(137 passing, 30 rushing).

He is still accurate. He has a 64.2% rate for his career. He had a 64.4% in 2005 in Minny before his injury and 60.4% last year while injured behind a bad offensive line.

I agree that he is not the guy he was in Minny because he is injured. That is why I am not pushing for him now. What he is today does not take away that he has had a good career. That was my main point.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I have a hard time believing that people are clamoring for a QB that was benched in favor of Joey Harrington just this past season. And was jettisoned from his team before that in favor of Dallas' current backup QB.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Okay, not saying you Daunte bashers are wrong, but does the bad knee last year not mean anything? That was about as nasty a knee injury as I've seen, and he came back a full year before he should have. Is it fair to say that the Culpepper we saw last year is the one we'll see from now on?

Seems to me that with a customary two-year recovery period from having all three of your knee ligaments shredded, the answer would be no.

I just don't see how a guy who is supposedly that bad rang up 4700 yards and 39 TD just by luck. Moss sure didn't make his QBs in Oakland into anything special.