Culture, culture, culture

[75boyz]

I think the culture is greatly impacted when Owner/GM Jones goes on radio today and says “this (Dak injury) does impact expectations.”

here’s the thing : we all know this defense is terrible, QB1 is now out, the oline is decimated. However, when the owner goes on radio and drops expectations it sends an awful message to the players that they have an excuse or an out.

the culture with this franchise is one of the worst in the league. Has been for awhile.

This. I mean how does McCarthy follow this up? And I'm not a McCarthy fan by any means but if the owner has just made it clear that SB expectations are still not the standard based on injury...

Then I just don't understand why be couldn't have even gone the whole opposite direction and mention his current coach's previous SB run was won by overcoming excessive injury numbers?

I mean, even if he didn't mean it that's the Jerry False Hope Salesman that we're all used to by now.

This line of crap he just spewed basically gives the coach and team the remaining year off.

"Just go through the motions and try not to get hurt boys, we'll get 'em next year"

Its one thing for ME to have somewhat thrown in the towel on this year's post season chances. But I don't OWN this team. And they still ARE in first place.
It's almost as if the Hostetlers, Bradys, Warners and Foles SB story years don't apply here. It's not even a consideration.

Just absolutely pathetic.

And that, in a nut shell, is this organization's true culture.

 

[dckid]

This. I mean how does McCarthy follow this up? And I'm not a McCarthy fan by any means but if the owner has just made it clear that SB expectations are still not the standard based on injury...

Then I just don't understand why be couldn't have even gone the whole opposite direction and mention his current coach's previous SB run was won by overcoming excessive injury numbers?

I mean, even if he didn't mean it that's the Jerry False Hope Salesman that we're all used to by now.

This line of crap he just spewed basically gives the coach and team the remaining year off.

"Just go through the motions and try not to get hurt boys, we'll get 'em next year"

Its one thing for ME to have somewhat thrown in the towel on this year's post season chances. But I don't OWN this team. And they still ARE in first place.
It's almost as if the Hostetlers, Bradys, Warners and Foles SB story years don't apply here. It's not even a consideration.

Just absolutely pathetic.

And that, in a nut shell, is this organization's true culture.

We as fans have to realize not all teams are trying to actually win the SB. They all have different goals.
SB is not even on the first page. Just get on national TV and let the talking heads have at it. We are the butt of jokes in the NFL. Do you think a great coach wants to come here? McCarthy has been neutered by Jerry in a couple of months. He is making sure the lightbulb is screwed in. He is letting Jerry’s new boy wonder run the show.
Dave Tepper in one year has flipped the culture of the Panthers. They have a coach, who has taken very little talent and made them disciplined and respectable. When was the last time this team didn’t get stupid penalties or turnovers? The 92/93 Cowboys?

 

[75boyz]

We as fans have to realize not all teams are trying to actually win the SB. They all have different goals.
SB is not even on the first page. Just get on national TV and let the talking heads have at it. We are the butt of jokes in the NFL. Do you think a great coach wants to come here? McCarthy has been neutered by Jerry in a couple of months. He is making sure the lightbulb is screwed in. He is letting Jerry’s new boy wonder run the show.
Dave Tepper in one year has flipped the culture of the Panthers. They have a coach, who has taken very little talent and made them disciplined and respectable. When was the last time this team didn’t get stupid penalties or turnovers? The 92/93 Cowboys?

You said it bro. This culture is definitely it's own organizational pandemic approaching 30 years and still going strong with no end in sight.

At least a full tank and lots of high picks would be more fun than this on the entertainment spectrum.

I mean if youre gonna be genuinely honest about all of this dysfunction anyway.

Oh well, GroundHog Day lives on at the Star
Nothing to see here
Nothing's changed

Go Cowboys

 

[CowboyFrog]

There are 3 coaches currently coaching who could turn this thing around : Belechek, Pete Carrol, and Sean Payton. There some younger coaches but its got to be someone the Jones respect enough to hand over roster control. I think Payton is the most realistic. but coaches don't count against the cap so if Jerry finally saw the light, he could make a big play for one of these guys.

Not that he would but Mike Tomlin would be great here also....the Jones would drive him crazy though,

 

[Bobhaze]

Getting ready for the mockery and "here we go again"....

The day after the ugly, sadden news of Mr. Prescott suffering a horrible / nasty ankle injury. It was hard to see him sitting on the field, holding his leg and pointing at his ankle. Was nice to see both Coach McCarthy and Garrett come onto the field and show reasons of concern/caring. Camera shot at the owner box saw Stephen Jones emotional reaction....

So now what? Some fans are now saying The Jones need to support Mr. Prescott. Depending on what side of the field you sit: You want Dak to get paid. #4 signed the franchise tag for one season, betting on himself to rack in a large, long-term deal like Russell Wilson. Meanwhile the other side, know the salary cap is going to go down in 2021, will be hard to handle the salary cap next season.

The Culture in Dallas has been mediocre AT BEST for three (3) decades. Hell, this franchise has a .500 (ish) record since the opening of AT&T Stadium. So what is this so-called "cultural" problem? People will have their own definition so I'll throw mine out. Here comes the "here we go again"

Being famous/popular has been MORE important--in Dallas-- than winning for 3 decades. Jerry is the most famous owner / GM that has been riding on the 90s success for far too long. Loves his post game interviews, fans screaming at him when he enters the field for pre-game. Majority of fans could name a large amount of owners name but vast majority know who owns the Dallas Cowboys.
Winning is more important to the Patriots than signing players to selling jerseys. They will trade away players a year early, so to get draft value to keep youth cycling through the franchise and avoiding salary cap situations. Patriots don't hit on all their drafts picks but with so many to use, they hit more than they don't.

Dak is a warrior QB and to see him miss games, for the 1st time, is hard to see. He bet on himself for a long-term deal, while rejecting a smaller long-term deal didn't work out. Dak could very well miss the entire 2021 season as Alex Smith missed a few season after his devastating injury.

As I said prior, the 2021 salary will be lower, which will force several franchise to make many tough choices like letting go several of their own HIGH priced QBs. Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers, to name a few could be seeking new locations AT FAIR LESSER salaries, which then could allow teams to add depth.

But going back to the main topic: The Culture. Three decades of the same. Nothing is really going to change until the GM is change and we ALL know that isn't going to happen until that GM visits Al Davis.
Winning (playing football) has be be MORE important than popularity/famous/getting paid in Dallas. The Culture with Dallas has been upside down for the 3 decade drought and the Cowboys will NEVER see a NFC Title game. let alone a Superbowl until the change happens.
So lets the mockery dams loose....... attack away

Sully this putrid culture that Jerry has created is the huge roadblock most of our fans either can’t see or ignore just to be able to have any hope at all. Real Football is notFantasy football. And Jerry and too many Cowboys fans think like fantasy football owners. Get guys with big stats, Find “name” players even if they’re over the hill (like Dontari Poe or Haha CD)

Even in Jerry’s own words, he loves the sizzle as much (or more) than the steak. He honestly believes if his stayjum is full, he is successful. Winning? Sure he wants to win. But not if it winning means sacrificing his centerpiece place in the franchise.

And one final big point: The thing that has killed this team’s culture for over two decades is really simple: There’s no real accountability. How do we know that? Because if there’s no accountability for the leaders at the top for their performance, there cannot be any accountability anywhere else in the organization.

There are still a ton of fans who thought once Garrett was gone, we would have much smoother sailing. I’m glad Garrett’s gone. But we still have the fool who kept him as his HC for a decade calling the shots. Until he changes or leaves, the culture remains a gigantic problem.

 

[Bobhaze]

The 3 worst organizations are the only ones to have their qb play on the tag

Great point.

 

[dckid]

You said it bro. This culture is definitely it's own organizational pandemic approaching 30 years and still going strong with no end in sight.

At least a full tank and lots of high picks would be more fun than this on the entertainment spectrum.

I mean if youre gonna be genuinely honest about all of this dysfunction anyway.

Oh well, GroundHog Day lives on at the Star
Nothing to see here
Nothing's changed

Go Cowboys

My brother this is the lot of us Cowboy fans at least we saw 3 SB wins. The sad part is since 1995 the Pats have won 6 SB’s,
Broncos-2
Steelers -2
Giants-2
GB-2
Don’t think anyone else has won more than 1.
This is why Jerry still thinks he is ok. Under his ownership he is the 2nd most SB wins since 89. Actually the Giants won in 91 so they would be tied with him.
God I hate that I remember so much and I hate Jerry, this post is out there.

 

[CowboyFrog]

My brother this is the lot of us Cowboy fans at least we saw 3 SB wins. The sad part is since 1995 the Pats have won 6 SB’s,
Broncos-2
Steelers -2
Giants-2
GB-2
Don’t think anyone else has won more than 1.
This is why Jerry still thinks he is ok. Under his ownership he is the 2nd most SB wins since 89. Actually the Giants won in 91 so they would be tied with him.
God I hate that I remember so much and I hate Jerry, this post is out there.

I'm telling you he sold us out for that 95 ring for Barry...we are all paying for his dirty deal.....said it him self

 

[CouchCoach]

When it comes to a team, culture is about as much a mystery as chemistry. Any team that is winning is said to have team chemistry and a losing team is lacking that. So, which comes first chemistry or winning?

Who is responsible for team culture? Any good examples of owners or GM's building the culture of a successful team? Did John Lynch or Ozzie Newsome set the culture or hire HC's to do that?

Except when he had Johnson and Parcells, who established the culture? Johnson took every opportunity to remind the players who established culture. Parcells had it in his contract that he established the culture and began by cutting Emmitt and addressing the players hanging out at strip clubs. What was Garrett's first official act of culture? Ties, everyone had to dress for business but when the first player pushed back, he wasn't allowed to do anything about it. Players were late for meetings or missing them and Phillips ask to increase fines. Message to players received, this is not a culture of accountability.

Any Saints players confused about where the culture stops on their team after Payton suspended Thomas for last night's game?

The Cowboys culture is the most unusual one in all of pro sports. As long as the team wins off the field; winning on the field is not critical. Winning is defined by revenue and ratings and everything is secondary to that. That is a winning culture, just not the one we're looking for as fans.

 

[dckid]

Sully this putrid culture that Jerry has created is the huge roadblock most of our fans either can’t see or ignore just to be able to have any hope at all. Real Football is notFantasy football. And Jerry and too many Cowboys fans think like fantasy football owners. Get guys with big stats, Find “name” players even if they’re over the hill (like Dontari Poe or Haha CD)

Even in Jerry’s own words, he loves the sizzle as much (or more) than the steak. He honestly believes if his stayjum is full, he is successful. Winning? Sure he wants to win. But not if it winning means sacrificing his centerpiece place in the franchise.

And one final big point: The thing that has killed this team’s culture for over two decades is really simple: There’s no real accountability. How do we know that? Because if there’s no accountability for the leaders at the top for their performance, there cannot be any accountability anywhere else in the organization.

There are still a ton of fans who thought once Garrett was gone, we would have much smoother sailing. I’m glad Garrett’s gone. But we still have the fool who kept him as his HC for a decade calling the shots. Until he changes or leaves, the culture remains a gigantic problem.

Can the league just take the Cowboys and get rid of Jerry for conduct detrimental to the Cowboys name and fanbase. Seriously I feel the last 25 years brings me back to 87,88 and into 89.
Those last couple Landry years where Hogeboom and Pelluer were the QB at least we bottomed our. Got Irvin and Aikman out of it.
We are just stuck at n Groundhog Day trying to be 8-8.
Just like the NBA you just have to bottom out sometimes. The Bill B, pats were able to replicate the Landry run in terms of consistency but our organization does not have the leadership, vision, legs. We really need to get down to the basics and just hard reset.

 

[dckid]

When it comes to a team, culture is about as much a mystery as chemistry. Any team that is winning is said to have team chemistry and a losing team is lacking that. So, which comes first chemistry or winning?

Who is responsible for team culture? Any good examples of owners or GM's building the culture of a successful team? Did John Lynch or Ozzie Newsome set the culture or hire HC's to do that?

Except when he had Johnson and Parcells, who established the culture? Johnson took every opportunity to remind the players who established culture. Parcells had it in his contract that he established the culture and began by cutting Emmitt and addressing the players hanging out at strip clubs. What was Garrett's first official act of culture? Ties, everyone had to dress for business but when the first player pushed back, he wasn't allowed to do anything about it. Players were late for meetings or missing them and Phillips ask to increase fines. Message to players received, this is not a culture of accountability.

Any Saints players confused about where the culture stops on their team after Payton suspended Thomas for last night's game?

The Cowboys culture is the most unusual one in all of pro sports. As long as the team wins off the field; winning on the field is not critical. Winning is defined by revenue and ratings and everything is secondary to that. That is a winning culture, just not the one we're looking for as fans.

You are right. The ownership and front office have to allow the culture to be built. It’s different for each organization.
I am sure Ozzie is a lot to do with building culture, he did it across two ownership groups, 3 different coaches and now even to a new GM.
Jimmy built everything in Dallas. Jerry should be worshipping a Jimmy Statue every morning.
Parcells left too soon, I think they at least make a championship game with him. Don’t know if they win or even make a SB but the big miss was Payton leaving and Bill retiring the same offseason.. another kiss of death.
Look at the Steelers the Rooney family has a culture that went from Knoll, Cowher to Tomlin.
Bill took his Giant culture to the Pats and Jets and Cowboys
Bill Walsh built the 49er culture and he regretted retiring a few years early. He could have been the great early coach ever.
Jerry literally p*ssed on Jimmy culture and look at what has transpired since 1995 season.

 

[fivetwos]

Theres a culture alright.

The culture is it's the Jerry show.

He loves being a rock star and his ego eats up all the attention....even the bad (which there ought to be a lot more of).

He loves being a big hero to coaches and players by giving out big paydays.

Did anyone ever see the guy as upset after some of the monumental chokes on the field over the decades as he was last year when it became obvious he had to shake up his comfort zone and fire his hand picked puppet?

He is probably secretly thrilled over the Prescott injury. That bought three more years of excuses.

This year obviously. Next itll be his first year back so that was the reason they didnt win.

He doesn't have to answer about futility until at least 2023 as it now stands.

 

[75boyz]

Theres a culture alright.

The culture is it's the Jerry show.

He loves being a rock star and his ego eats up all the attention....even the bad (which there ought to be a lot more of).



He loves being a big hero to coaches and players by giving out big paydays.

Did anyone ever see the guy as upset after some of the monumental chokes on the field over the decades as he was last year when it became obvious he had to shake up his comfort zone and fire his hand picked puppet?

He is probably secretly thrilled over the Prescott injury. That bought three more years of excuses.

This year obviously. Next itll be his first year back so that was the reason they didnt win.

He doesn't have to answer about futility until at least 2023 as it now stands.

As Metallica sang it..."Sad But True."

 

[Sully]

Dak didn't reject a "smaller" long-term deal. He rejected a longer deal because he wanted a shorter one. This was widely reported.

Alex Smith had 17 surgeries. His life was in danger due to infection and he almost lost his leg. Dak had one surgery and went home the next day.

Agreed that the bigger portion of the debate was Dallas wanted 5 yr deal, while Dak wanted the 4 so I stand corrected. But Dak did turn down the long-term contract. Now, I am not saying I want Dak gone, on the contrary, would love him back.....HE IS A WARRIOR.

New QB, New Coach, New this and new that will not correct the drought that is plaguing the Dallas Cowboy franchise. It is the person who is driving the franchise. Now, I do like Jerry to a BIG part as the owner but he is so filled with EGO/PRIDE that he can and will not fire the GM because it is himself. It has NOT worked for 25 yrs so the drought will continue until the grim reaper comes.
So until that time, Dallas fan will just have to deal with more of the past.

 

[Sully]

As much as us fans don’t want to hear this Jerry does not care about a SB win. If he did he would have spent the most money on coaches and front office folks. Money is no object for this franchise. I would pay McVay 20 million a year and it would be worth it. How much do CEO’s of a 5 billion dollar company make?
In 1994 Jerry said 500 coaches could take that team to a SB. He foolishly still believes that.
Jerry only cares about the sizzle, he does not want to be on the back page. He fears 3-13 more than he cares about 13-3 and a SB. To him his SB win in 1995 has cemented that he can win without Jimmy.
If you can’t be honest with yourself who can you be honest with.
We will never win a SB for the next 100 years until this ownership group comes to its senses. Admit your mistake 25 years later it’s not too late. Give up the GM title.
I would go and follow the SF model. Get the brightest young coach and a great personnel GM. Bottom out if you have to, it will only take a couple of years.
Trade Gallup to the chiefs, trade Cooper if possible, move on from Dak. We should have 80 million plus in cap room. Go 2-14 this year. Wins are inconsequential this year.

I agree with your entire statement.....

I recall an interview where the reporter asked Jerry if he was the GM, would he be fired with how the performance he is showing with the Cowboys. Jerry response was the Yankees would have fired me years ago.

Cowboys are about FAME/FORTUNE/POPULARITY... not winning.

 

[The Fonz]

All too often the Jones family screws the pooch on these contracts. Keeping players because they like them over actual production.

I like Dak, but don't think he deserves the money he demands. The injury, combined with Dalton having good stats in this offense the rest of the season, could keep the Jones family from killing the Cowboys cap.

Well, one can dream...

Jerry Jones care about his image he will sign Dak even if he is not 100% the man act with emotion not logic ....JJ cares what the media think.

 

[HotDog37]

If Dak had played against Dick Butkus he would likely have a broken leg along with the ankle, and of course Butkus would never be on twitter and ... not be sorry (in public). Men were men. Football has changed.

 

[Jake]

Sully this putrid culture that Jerry has created is the huge roadblock most of our fans either can’t see or ignore just to be able to have any hope at all. Real Football is notFantasy football. And Jerry and too many Cowboys fans think like fantasy football owners. Get guys with big stats, Find “name” players even if they’re over the hill (like Dontari Poe or Haha CD)

Even in Jerry’s own words, he loves the sizzle as much (or more) than the steak. He honestly believes if his stayjum is full, he is successful. Winning? Sure he wants to win. But not if it winning means sacrificing his centerpiece place in the franchise.

And one final big point: The thing that has killed this team’s culture for over two decades is really simple: There’s no real accountability. How do we know that? Because if there’s no accountability for the leaders at the top for their performance, there cannot be any accountability anywhere else in the organization.

There are still a ton of fans who thought once Garrett was gone, we would have much smoother sailing. I’m glad Garrett’s gone. But we still have the fool who kept him as his HC for a decade calling the shots. Until he changes or leaves, the culture remains a gigantic problem.

Year after year fans convince themselves that Jerry and Stephen are going to build a championship team. I understand why - we're fans and we want to have hope.

I'm a pragmatist. I see two "football guys" who would've been fired years ago in any well-run, results-oriented organization. That's who they are until proven otherwise.

 

[the playmaker]

As much as us fans don’t want to hear this Jerry does not care about a SB win. If he did he would have spent the most money on coaches and front office folks. Money is no object for this franchise. I would pay McVay 20 million a year and it would be worth it. How much do CEO’s of a 5 billion dollar company make?
In 1994 Jerry said 500 coaches could take that team to a SB. He foolishly still believes that.
Jerry only cares about the sizzle, he does not want to be on the back page. He fears 3-13 more than he cares about 13-3 and a SB. To him his SB win in 1995 has cemented that he can win without Jimmy.
If you can’t be honest with yourself who can you be honest with.
We will never win a SB for the next 100 years until this ownership group comes to its senses. Admit your mistake 25 years later it’s not too late. Give up the GM title.
I would go and follow the SF model. Get the brightest young coach and a great personnel GM. Bottom out if you have to, it will only take a couple of years.
Trade Gallup to the chiefs, trade Cooper if possible, move on from Dak. We should have 80 million plus in cap room. Go 2-14 this year. Wins are inconsequential this year.

this is a great post!!!!!!

 

[dckid]

this is a great post!!!!!!

Thanks.
Appreciate it.