Current odds on where Belichick will be coaching next year

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But he never made a "salad out of scraps" in NE. He had Brady on offense and let him play with the scraps. Belechek always had a loaded defense.
To think Belichick played no role in the success of the Pats is silly. Belichick is one of the greatest defensive coaches ever and for you to say he ALWAYS had a loaded defense is just not true. Do a little research and get back to me ........


https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor... The latest,championships and six Super Bowls.
 

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Anouther washed up coach great. Give me someone innovative like Ben Johnson and I'll be excited.
Flores, Johnson are a couple. But do you honestly think Jerry will bring in a young guy and actually let him run the team? I don’t
Bill is old but he’s one guy jrrry might let actually run things. And he does bring one thing this team has lacked since jimmy and that’s discipline
 

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But he never made a "salad out of scraps" in NE. He had Brady on offense and let him play with the scraps. Belechek always had a loaded defense.
He got the mist out of the defensive talent he had by using them properly and having a game plan for every game that took away something the opponent did well. He had some stars but overal his real magic was a masterful game plan in defense
 

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To think Belichick played no role in the success of the Pats is silly. Belichick is one of the greatest defensive coaches ever and for you to say he ALWAYS had a loaded defense is just not true. Do a little research and get back to me ........


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2024/01/11/tom-brady-bill-belichick-new-england-patriots-record/72194046007/#:~:text=NFL STATS CENTRAL: The latest,championships and six Super Bowls.
Another thing "anti-Bill' posters are sidestepping is...

During Patriots hey-day...most were applauding the Patriots cap management. Usually...when deciding to trade a player instead of pay before his second contract. That would diminish talent on defense...yet no one talks about it.

Im not saying the Patriots were the only team concerned about their bottom line...but my memory tells me the Patriots were one of the first teams 'analytics' guys were pointing to in regards to money management.

A lot of things seemed to be happening that were on the forefront of football management and football x an o's during Bill's tenure...but his age erases things mysteriously. Seems unscientific to me.
 

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Another thing "anti-Bill' posters are sidestepping is...

During Patriots hey-day...most were applauding the Patriots cap management. Usually...when deciding to trade a player instead of pay before his second contract. That would diminish talent on defense...yet no one talks about it.

Im not saying the Patriots were the only team concerned about their bottom line...but my memory tells me the Patriots were one of the first teams 'analytics' guys were pointing to in regards to money management.

A lot of things seemed to be happening that were on the forefront of football management and football x an o's during Bill's tenure...but his age erases things mysteriously. Seems unscientific to me.
My guess is Bill won't ask for (or get) final say on Player Personnel but he will want to bring in a professional Salary Cap guy. I think he's fine with it. See article below.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news...staff-personnel-department-separate-entities/

Stephen and his Applebee's shift manager pal have been awful at all things contracts and the Cap. Stephen will be moved to second hand ticket sales so they can figure out how to get a cut of the marked up ticket prices.
 

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Another thing "anti-Bill' posters are sidestepping is...

During Patriots hey-day...most were applauding the Patriots cap management. Usually...when deciding to trade a player instead of pay before his second contract. That would diminish talent on defense...yet no one talks about it.

Im not saying the Patriots were the only team concerned about their bottom line...but my memory tells me the Patriots were one of the first teams 'analytics' guys were pointing to in regards to money management.

A lot of things seemed to be happening that were on the forefront of football management and football x an o's during Bill's tenure...but his age erases things mysteriously. Seems unscientific to me.
Exactly ........I could only find 4-5 HOF defensive players under his tenure. Yet I'm told his defenses "were always loaded". Anyone who followed the NFL knows he was a genius at taking away an offense's strength and never needed a ton of superstars. What gets to me is how some refuses to give him full credit for his years with Brady. Here's an interesting point......as good as Brady was, why did sing Randy Moss for 3 years? To be clear, I'm not trying to short-change Brady ( that would be silly ) but like even he said they BOTH needed each other.
 

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BB will never come here because he wants more control then Jethro will give up

as hard core as he is though, would love to see the interaction between him and the soft turds on this team

Nope. BB isn’t going to improve on our player draft/development, so he won’t care about that. BB has never been one to spend money in FA, so that won’t be a problem. The biggest issue with BB is that he isn’t an offensive coach, so even if we find a stud OC, they’ll leave for HC jobs. BB isn’t coming to Dallas.
 

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He got the mist out of the defensive talent he had by using them properly and having a game plan for every game that took away something the opponent did well. He had some stars but overal his real magic was a masterful game plan in defense
For which he required pro bowl DBs and linebackers. He never had his QB making the max. He never paid wrs. The savings were used on the defense. We have 24M in cap space with Micah needing a new contract. There is no money to overhall the defense. The Dallas job right now is a ticket to nowhere. Of all the stupid decisions Jerry has made over the past 28 years, Daks new contract is near the top.
 

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Nope. BB isn’t going to improve on our player draft/development, so he won’t care about that. BB has never been one to spend money in FA, so that won’t be a problem. The biggest issue with BB is that he isn’t an offensive coach, so even if we find a stud OC, they’ll leave for HC jobs. BB isn’t coming to Dallas.
I mean...wouldnt that be part of the deal? Bill stepping aside.

I assume any team entertaining hiring Bill will have a gentleman's handshake that Bill step aside after he reaches his 14 wins if the team isnt doing very well or there is a really good OC that the team doesnt want to lose because of Bill incumbency.

I dont see a situation where Bill is overstaying his welcome and tarnishing his coaching name any further post-Brady.

I think it is pretty simple. Bill wants to join a contender or a young team with talent. He wants to get his 14 wins. Once that is complete...if the team is doing good, he continues as coach...if the team is doing bad, the FO and Bill have a sit down to discuss things.
 

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To think Belichick played no role in the success of the Pats is silly. Belichick is one of the greatest defensive coaches ever and for you to say he ALWAYS had a loaded defense is just not true. Do a little research and get back to me ........


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2024/01/11/tom-brady-bill-belichick-new-england-patriots-record/72194046007/#:~:text=NFL STATS CENTRAL: The latest,championships and six Super Bowls.
I am not sure how you interpreted what I said into "Belechek played no role". I am saying he needed defensive personnel who could play the way he liked to play. We don't have anything even close to the talent the Patriots put on the defensive side of the ball during their dynasty years. Maybe you are the one who needs to do some research. He had guys like Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Donta Hightower, Jerod Mayo, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison, and that's just a short list. The depth of talent is stunning and includes guys like Kyle Van Noy, Jason and Devin Mcourty, stephon gilmore, Patrick chung, jamie collins, rob nincovich, aqib talib, Brandon Spikes, chandler jones, brandon merriweather.......

Belechek wasn't paying for rbs, wrs, and had brady giving him a discount. He used the savings on the defense. You need to look a little deeper than a usa today article.
 

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. He had guys like Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Donta Hightower, Jerod Mayo, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison, and that's just a short list. The depth of talent is stunning and includes guys like Kyle Van Noy, Jason and Devin Mcourty, stephon gilmore, Patrick chung, jamie collins, rob nincovich, aqib talib, Brandon Spikes, chandler jones, brandon merriweather.......
How many on this list were 1st or 2nd round picks? This is my point.....Belichick's system, scheme, and culture, turned Jags into high-level players. As stated before, he can help our defense. I'll put it another way, IMO Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan are similar to Belichick but offensively. Their system/scheme makes players ( jags), not the other way around.

As for the article, it proves that Brady and Belichick both deserve credit for Pat's success, not just Brady.
 

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How many on this list were 1st or 2nd round picks? This is my point.....Belichick's system, scheme, and culture, turned Jags into high-level players. As stated before, he can help our defense. I'll put it another way, IMO Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan are similar to Belichick but offensively. Their system/scheme makes players ( jags), not the other way around.

As for the article, it proves that Brady and Belichick both deserve credit for Pat's success, not just Brady.
Well, he certainly can't do much worse than Zimmer.
 

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For which he required pro bowl DBs and linebackers. He never had his QB making the max. He never paid wrs. The savings were used on the defense. We have 24M in cap space with Micah needing a new contract. There is no money to overhall the defense. The Dallas job right now is a ticket to nowhere. Of all the stupid decisions Jerry has made over the past 28 years, Daks new contract is near the top.
Most of those pro bowl guys weren’t pro bowlers elsewhere but money is easy. Go look at next years cap and add to it what we stand to carry over this year we aren’t in cap problems. We are in a leadership problem
 

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https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/nfl/bill-belichick-next-team-odds/#:~:text=The latest Bill Belichick next team odds have,former New England Patriots head coach in 2025.

Betting sites have updated the Bill Belechick coaching odds.

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Gruden will come out of exile and will wow Yoda.
It is written in the stars.
 

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Most of those pro bowl guys weren’t pro bowlers elsewhere but money is easy. Go look at next years cap and add to it what we stand to carry over this year we aren’t in cap problems. We are in a leadership problem
When Micah becomes the highest paid defensive player in NFL history, its going to eat up what's left of the cap leaving no room to improve the team via free agency or even re-sign a lot of our guys. Heck, go look at Daks new contract. He's set to count 90M against the cap in 2025 which is literally 33% of our cap. The team has no choice but to re-work his his team killing contract. We also kicked CD's cap hit down the road. He counts 36M against the cap next year as opposed to only 8.7M this year. So, CD alone eats up the 24M in cap room we have right now. This team is run by football morons.
 

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When Micah becomes the highest paid defensive player in NFL history, its going to eat up what's left of the cap leaving no room to improve the team via free agency or even re-sign a lot of our guys. Heck, go look at Daks new contract. He's set to count 90M against the cap in 2025 which is literally 33% of our cap. The team has no choice but to re-work his his team killing contract. We also kicked CD's cap hit down the road. He counts 36M against the cap next year as opposed to only 8.7M this year. So, CD alone eats up the 24M in cap room we have right now. This team is run by football morons.
It will be cheap first couple years. In that time Dlaw, Martin and other will be gone. Money is not the issue. Several teams have multiple high dollar players. Look at 49ers roster. You can have talent, pay that talent and manage the cap
 

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I mean...wouldnt that be part of the deal? Bill stepping aside.

I assume any team entertaining hiring Bill will have a gentleman's handshake that Bill step aside after he reaches his 14 wins if the team isnt doing very well or there is a really good OC that the team doesnt want to lose because of Bill incumbency.

I dont see a situation where Bill is overstaying his welcome and tarnishing his coaching name any further post-Brady.

I think it is pretty simple. Bill wants to join a contender or a young team with talent. He wants to get his 14 wins. Once that is complete...if the team is doing good, he continues as coach...if the team is doing bad, the FO and Bill have a sit down to discuss things.

You’re saying 14 wins to surpass Shula, right? Idk…do you think that really matters to a guy like Bill? It might…idk. I think most people already consider Bill the GOAT, but you may be right.
 
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