News: CW: Leading analytics team makes case for Cowboys letting Prescott walk

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  1. CATCH17

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    Listen.. In order to believe we should sign Dak you'd have to be foolish enough to think that. Even with the evidence piled up against your opinion you still have to believe that.

    But for us to get away with it we would need a cheap roster like the 9ers had a year ago with Jimmy G.

    Unfortunately we have a lot of paid guys and most of them don't perform to their deal.

    So it's an accumulation of bad deals that's going to hold us back but the Dak deal would be it for us.

    But I know you disagree.. Jerry Jones & Rockport would be proud.
     
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  2. Proof

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    disagree entirely. But not even the point or worth rehashing.
     
  3. Diehardblues

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    I asked you to provide anyone specifically we wouldn’t be able to sign if we over pay Day 3-5 million a year. Otherwise it’s baseless claims and just hollow hype.
     
  4. CATCH17

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    I know.. Such a baseless claim. Only.. If you look around the league you'll see that it's not.. But.. The Cowboys are special aren't they? They'll buck the trend. Just like this season when Dak had the highest cap hit and we were a watermelon kick from 0-4.
     
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  5. Diehardblues

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    What other teams aren’t over paying their Franchise QB’s ?
     
  6. CATCH17

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    How many teams can't win championships and have QB's trying to get out of town because of it?

    Keep in mind.. Dak is not an elite player..
     
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  7. Diehardblues

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    And I’ll ask for the 3rd time. Who aren’t we going to sign specifically if we over pay Dak this year?

    If you don’t like Dak that’s fine. But stop making baseless claims like team killer contract without anything substantial or specific to support such hype.
     
  8. Diehardblues

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    You really struggle answering questions? Lol

    I’ll ask again for a list of teams not over paying their Franchise QB ? And Franchise doesn’t mean Elite.
     
  9. CATCH17

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    I know.. lol... You act like i'm the guy ignoring the stupidity of paying the "franchise QB".
     
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  10. CATCH17

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    I don't think even the biggest hater could say at this point that what i'm saying is baseless.. You have to really be ignoring whats going on in the NFL with these contracts to think what i'm saying is baseless and just have to switch off and tell yourself that i'm a Dak hater.
     
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  11. Diehardblues

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    I’m just saying it’s a widespread issue. The Cowboys aren’t the only team handcuffing their team with over paying their QB.

    It’s the owners who choose this path because being a consistent contender with popular stars is a bigger priority than building championship teams.
     
  12. CATCH17

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    Yes and I care more about championships then the status quo I guess.
     
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  13. Diehardblues

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    I’ve heard this claim by others as well. But no one has offered any specific players we won’t be signing as a result of over paying our QB.

    And I’m not arguing that Franchise QB contracts don’t limit their ability to build better teams. But my point is this is what most teams choose to do. And there’s a reason why as I laid out in above post.
     
  14. Diehardblues

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    I understand but these teams don’t. And until they do not much is going to change.

    It’s a league wide issue. It shouldn’t be centered around our situation alone.
     
  15. fivetwos

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    There's two awful contracts on the team.

    54 and 21. One goes away after this year and the other the next.

    While its a handicap for now, its not impossible to work around.

    The fact remains that a team paying a QB has to absolutely nail the draft consistently or they shouldn't expect to win.
     
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  16. CATCH17

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    I disagree I think all of our big deals are not the best.

    Lawrence has almost no impact on the game. Offenses have no problem taking him out of a game.

    Tyron.. Great deal.. But does it matter if he doesn't play?

    La'el? See Tyron.

    Cooper? He's a good player and all but 20 million for a WR? Is he really a 20 million dollar player? For a stretch in 2018 yes he was. Recently? Nope. Too inconsistent and WR becoming an easy position to replace.

    Zach Martin? Ok he's awesome. No complaints.
     
  17. Diehardblues

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    Correct. Once teams have to pay their QB, there is no margin for error in the draft.
     
  18. Diehardblues

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    Cant argue with some of those deals. But this is all part of the league. And it’s part of why we haven’t had as much success. Poorly managing some of our big contracts and missing in the draft. It’s a recipe for disaster.

    It’s also why our QB contract shouldn’t be singled out. If we hadn’t missed on all of the other contributing factors we might have already met our potential. But that has passed. We missed that opportunity. But I’m not sure it’s time to start completely over. And I don’t believe Jethro is ready for that either.

    But teams love their stars on the most part. It’s not just our owner. The stars generate fans and revenue. Championships are no longer the ultimate goal. Being a consistent contender and popular is. And if you can throw it all together that’s welcomed too.

    The Cap and record revenue era has delivered a NFL where teams aren’t reliant totally with success on the field. These are the contributions our HOF owner was inducted for . He basically can be held responsible for the implementation ruining the league and our franchise as we knew it.
     
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  19. fivetwos

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    Agree on Cooper, just didn't feel like defending myself against the people around here who obviously invested in a 19 jersey.

    Lawrence is fine. Overpaid yeah....paid like a sack specialist when he isnt quite that.

    Either way, while it's going to be a problem for 2021, I dont think the bad deals are much of an issue moving forward.

    It still comes down to nailing the draft....and not getting lucky and having a WR fall. Need contributors in the 4th and 5th rounds as well.

    It remains to be seen as to whether this can all work, but I still see Dak and trying to fill in around him the best bet for the next 5 years.

    If and when we blow it up I'd rather do it for real....and have it be at a time when Jerry is less involved than he would be now.
     
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  20. CATCH17

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    Yeah.. Amari Cooper is awesome.. Like .. MAybe the best route runner i've ever seen or close.

    But my gosh can he disappear and on top of that colleges are filling the draft with quality receivers every year through all rounds.

    WR is becoming a lot like the RB position. It's becoming over saturated and you need to be truly special to get that big deal. Also, you're seeing rookie wideouts have big impacts and that used to not really be a thing but with spread concepts taking over the transition is easier than ever.
     
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