CZ overall: Anybody but him

[erod]

Do you really think they will do that? Or hope they are thinking of doing that?

I don't know what I hope, but I think they might do it.

How many chances do they get to draft this high for the future QB? If they really, really, really like one of them, then they probably think they need to do what's necessary to get him, and I would tend to agree.

They'd better be right. Can't bust if they do.

 

[DBOY3141]

I don't know what I hope, but I think they might do it.

How many chances do they get to draft this high for the future QB? If they really, really, really like one of them, then they probably think they need to do what's necessary to get him, and I would tend to agree.

They'd better be right. Can't bust if they do.

Could be right, but I don't see Tenn dropping down and risking losing Tunsil.

 

[erod]

Could be right, but I don't see Tenn dropping down and risking losing Tunsil.

I don't think it's much of a risk.

Whoever trades up goes QB, then Cleveland also goes QB, then San Diego probably goes Ramsey. Tunsil is still there.

 

[DBOY3141]

I don't think it's much of a risk.

Whoever trades up goes QB, then Cleveland also goes QB, then San Diego probably goes Ramsey. Tunsil is still there.

That would be tough for SD, they need OL help as bad as they need secondary help.

 

[ConceptCoop]

5 years ago...I think Jack is the pick without question. But now that teams play so much spread offense....It takes the LBers off the field. Personally...I take him becuase Lee can't stay healthy...and McClain is one strike away from being Josh Gordon....And he probably replaces McClain in the nickle D anyway.

I think Jack is more valuable today than he was 5 years ago. His greatest strength is his ability to drop into coverage. Teams are using TEs in the slot and RBs out of the backfield more than they have in the past - and I expect that trend to continue. Having a LB who can run with the likes of Gio Bernard and Dion Lewis - and muscle with Eifert, Reed, and Graham (nobody muscles with Gronk and wins) - is a quickly becoming a must.

Day one he'd be one of the better coverage LBs in the league, and will certainly push McClain to the bench on passing downs.

 

[Star Guard_31]

I love Bosa... I think he is one of the best players in the draft. Those that don't see it are not what I'd call "great talent evaluators".

He has consistently been the number one player on most "talent evaluators" sites. He has a motor comparalbe to JJ Watt or Aaron Donald. Guys with motors like that don't "bust". He comes from a family of football players and played exceptionally at the highest levels of college football. Plus he is a great scheme fit. Prototypical 43 DE.

To me if we land either Ramsey or Bosa at 4 we will get one of the three elite players in this draft.

He comes from a family of high motor football players...who were all NFL busts.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think he means Bosa and JJ Watt both drive a Ford F150.

The problem with that is JJ doesn't drive a Ford truck.

 

[bksig]

Perusing the posts in the past weeks have led me to a single conclusion.

I think the overriding opinion here is that nobody really wants Joey Bosa with the 4th pick. We collectively smell a bust with this guy, at least compared to what a pick this high should be. I see folks that want Elliott, Ramsey, Jack, or Wentz/Goff. Trading down seems to be popular, too.

But not Bosa. And that includes me.

Why? What makes him so unattractive when the scouts say he's worthy of that pick?

I think Bosa compares to Greg Ellis. He is a guy that will be a good to very good player at an important but not premier position (strong side end). But with the #4 pick you want to either get a franchise QB (maybe slightly over drafting) or you hope to get a possible generational player. The consensus seems to be that Tunsil, Jack, and Ramsey are three players that MIGHT be generational athletes. Tunsil seems the most solid, Jack has questions about health and the position he plays, and Ramsey has questions about if he is great at a position or just very good at several.

Bosa could end up having the best career of any of these players, but I don't think anyone thinks he has the ability to be special, which is what we are hoping for with the #4 pick.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I like Bosa. Because I'm a PSU fan, I watch a ton of Big Ten. He reminds me of Lamarr Woodley, in that when you watch the games he's consistently a factor, making plays in the backfield. I could never understand why Woodley lasted as long as he did, 2nd round. Now, he also had a relatively short career as an impact player. He played extremely well on a SB team with the Steelers.

Back to Bosa, he's a very good player, his junior year tape probably says top 10 player, but his senior year doesn't. I'm guessing most of the angst around here, is where you would take him - at #4. He also is probably exclusively a LDE, which means he's not an elite edge rusher. So I understand why people are skeptical, but watching him play I think he's going to have a solid 10 year career. Just my opinion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That would be tough for SD, they need OL help as bad as they need secondary help.

More. They have a QB who is also not getting any younger and they just resigned him. The last thing you want is to get him hurt or poor money into a position like QB when you can't protect him enough to actually earn the money. I honestly don't see SD going Safety at 3. I think they go OL or DL but who knows?

 

[manster4ever]

I think he benefitted greatly by having players around him. He just reminds me of .....Bobby Carpenter. He has got the size, physical traits, attitude, and stats and highlights and all that........... but I don't think he is going to be the player people are saying he is going to be.....just my gut feeling. He really didn't "stand out" to me, when I watched my Buckeyes play...

BINGO. His cheerleaders on this board and in the league don't know how to evaluate tape IMO. He FEASTED on weak teams and did nothing against good ones. I watched him play about 12 games the last 3 years and simply wasn't that impressed. Solid CFB player...nothing more or less. He absolutely benefited from great talent around him, especially on their Dline. Washington was a total stud and had much better tape than Bosa, but he got into trouble off the field that was worse than Bosa's transgressions. (as did Spence who was booted off the team) Nothing but a football factory in Columbus and Meyer's players are starting to have the same type of run ins his Florida Gator players had back in the day.

 

[Alexander]

Buckner - Bosa - Ramsey

Probably would replace Bosa with Jack. I think people like the idea of him and his "freakishness" versus what he can really do or is capable of doing. Despite his skillset, he will need to be in the perfect situation to fulfill his potential.

Buckner is another case where people see traits and fall in love with that versus anything else.

This is a game where he was facing about what he will see sixteen weeks a year in the NFL. Sorry, I am not seeing a dominant player.

 

[Gaede]

I don't see Bosa's hustle. Guys like Donald bust their butts every play.

I see Bosa lolly gagging a lot.

I think there's a misconception that because he's a white DE, he must have hustle. But it's just not there.

This guy has awful intangibles

 

[Gaede]

Probably would replace Bosa with Jack. I think people like the idea of him and his "freakishness" versus what he can really do or is capable of doing. Despite his skillset, he will need to be in the perfect situation to fulfill his potential.

Buckner is another case where people see traits and fall in love with that versus anything else.

This is a game where he was facing about what he will see sixteen weeks a year in the NFL. Sorry, I am not seeing a dominant player.

Personally, I like Buckner. But he's not a good fit for our defense.

And for someone as big he is, he doesn't bully anyone around.

He gets pressure, a lot, but almost exclusively from his swim move.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Perusing the posts in the past weeks have led me to a single conclusion.

I think the overriding opinion here is that nobody really wants Joey Bosa with the 4th pick. We collectively smell a bust with this guy, at least compared to what a pick this high should be. I see folks that want Elliott, Ramsey, Jack, or Wentz/Goff. Trading down seems to be popular, too.

But not Bosa. And that includes me.

Why? What makes him so unattractive when the scouts say he's worthy of that pick?

One reason, the year he and Spence played together no one was talking about Bosa, all the talk was about Spence. I do see him as a solid DE but that is not what this team needs. If we are picking a DE at #4 he should be a D. Ware or V Miller type DE.

 

[fivetwos]

I think Bosa is viewed as a solid LDE type rather than a pass rush guy who has the potential for 12-15 sacks per season.

Not necessarily my opinion, just answering the question of why I think not many around here are overly excited about getting him with pick #4.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I love Bosa... I think he is one of the best players in the draft. Those that don't see it are not what I'd call "great talent evaluators".

He has consistently been the number one player on most "talent evaluators" sites. He has a motor comparalbe to JJ Watt or Aaron Donald. Guys with motors like that don't "bust". He comes from a family of football players and played exceptionally at the highest levels of college football. Plus he is a great scheme fit. Prototypical 43 DE.

To me if we land either Ramsey or Bosa at 4 we will get one of the three elite players in this draft.

So in other words if we don't see things or have different opinions than yours on a player, we don't know as much as you? Hmmm interesting.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I like Jack...I'm just not sure what you'll get out of him. In our defense, he almost has to play the same position as Lee. I guess next year you could let McClain walk and move Lee back to MLB.

I just read an article where he stated the Charges talked to him about playing Safety. Of course he would have to drop some weight, currently it stated he is at 245 lbs., BUT is that an option for us with him?

 

[DC Cowboy]

I just read an article where he stated the Charges talked to him about playing Safety. Of course he would have to drop some weight, currently it stated he is at 245 lbs., BUT is that an option for us with him?

I think I convinced myself, lol, to draft Jack and move him to SS with Jones at FS.

 

[Verdict]

We might want to prepare ourselves for a move UP.

As in, to the No. 1 pick to ensure they get Carson Wentz or Jared Goff, whomever they fancy.

My gut is, deep down, they don't want to be left at the alter with no backup plan if Romo's collar bone goes wonky again.

Moving up to #1 is likely the worst possible move that we could make in this draft.