D-law on the refs

[Deionindahood]

Which ones allowed us to score or stopped the Eagles from scoring? No one has ever argued that we don't get the benefit of some missed/bad calls at times. But timing as they say is everything. A 40 PI that takes you from punting from your 10 yard line to midfield is nice but does it have the same impact as a 2 yard PI on 4th down that would give you first and goal at the 1? To the uninitiated it might seem that the 40 yarder is the bigger call.. but is it really?

Here's my take. If the refs were intending to play favorites to the Eagles, why would they call numerous penalties against them in our final drive of the game? Your timing theory is invalid. Penalties against the Eagles gave us 1st and goal at the 6 yd line with 27 seconds on the clock. Basically, I get tired of hearing the ref conspiracy theories. You don't think Jerry, with his pull in the NFL, would have addressed this perceived inequality in penalties if it was true?
Crying about penalties is a loser's mindset.

 

[Jake]

Which ones allowed us to score or stopped the Eagles from scoring? No one has ever argued that we don't get the benefit of some missed/bad calls at times. But timing as they say is everything. A 40 PI that takes you from punting from your 10 yard line to midfield is nice but does it have the same impact as a 2 yard PI on 4th down that would give you first and goal at the 1? To the uninitiated it might seem that the 40 yarder is the bigger call.. but is it really?

"Uninitiated"

Yes, if only those of us who don't look for third-party excuses every time the Cowboys lose could be as enlightened as the people who always do.

 

[kskboys]

Yep, they blew calls, but it was even across the league as the Packers finally weren't the darlings anymore and got calls against them... which is why we had to quickly go back to the clown NFL ref crews who know which teams are darlings and which aren't.

Wrong poster. I've never concluded favortism.

It's not about blowing calls, it's about manipulating calls. Toward tight games and miracle endings. That's what keeps people dipping deep in the wallets.

Let everything else go you think about this and put it in the category of making the most money. Then it all starts to make sense.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

PI gets called ALL THE TIME. According to Rookieroad.com DPI is the 3rd most common penalty called.

Combined with the TACKLE made it's a very egregious form of the penalty.

My theory is the ref didn't call it because he saw it as a touchdown. So I think he just left the flag in his pocket thinking that he scored the touchdown anyway.

Yes PI gets called all the time but not in that situation. In almost every game guys will get their split second early and it won’t get called. Watching in slow-mo makes everything look egregious but it didn’t impact the guys ability to catch the pass so a ref isn’t throwing the flag there.

Again if Ferguson runs the route correctly Schoon walks in.

 

[DogFace]

As others have asked and received no answers:

What were some bad calls against the Eagles?

 

[DogFace]

Here's my take. If the refs were intending to play favorites to the Eagles, why would they call numerous penalties against them in our final drive of the game? Your timing theory is invalid. Penalties against the Eagles gave us 1st and goal at the 6 yd line with 27 seconds on the clock. Basically, I get tired of hearing the ref conspiracy theories. You don't think Jerry, with his pull in the NFL, would have addressed this perceived inequality in penalties if it was true?
Crying about penalties is a loser's mindset.

What calls against the Eagles were controversial? Can anyone name any with a straight face?

Finally calling obvious fouls isn’t great evidence that the game was fairly officiated…They can only miss so many calls before it gets weird. You’re saying since they didn’t miss calls for the entire game, only most of it, that all is well.

Also, exploring the possibility of ref bias isn’t the same as alleging a conspiracy has taken place.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

As others have asked and received no answers:

What were some bad calls against the Eagles?

The Byard personal foul was a bit weak. He got picked off the pile and went back at the guy and pushed him (and ended up on his ***). Don‘t think his reaction really warranted a flag.

 

[Deionindahood]

As others have asked and received no answers:

What were some bad calls against the Eagles?

I'm glad the call was made, but to be truthful, the roughing the passer call against Haason Reddick was ticky-tacky. Dak getting the 1st down on the QB sneak was a gift as well. Overshown got away with a personal foul when he tried to take Kelce's helmet off in the end zone. Smith had his arm hooked around Sweat's neck after Sweat beat him. I watched the game a second time and was able to FF, rewind, and slo-mo the plays. There were many missed calls on both sides. If you watch any NFL game, you see missed call, bad calls, and tick-tacky calls. It is what it is...

 

[DogFace]

The Byard personal foul was a bit weak. He got picked off the pile and went back at the guy and pushed him (and ended up on his ***). Don‘t think his reaction really warranted a flag.

Maybe. I said maybe not I agree.

He was picked up like a little kid because he was giving Dak the business in the pile. Refs saw that too and likely why they called it on him. The instigator.

So one not really bad one vs the uncatchable ball where Brown initiated contact, really bad spot on first drive, a picked up flag (they called it and decided naw??), and a clear PI on the goal line on first down.

We will ignore the holds on DB’s and lineman because that’s too hard to critique. Though, the one where he grabbed Parsons arm keeping him from tackling Hurts seemed pretty clear.

At least you answered though. Props and Thanks

 

[Deionindahood]

What calls against the Eagles were controversial? Can anyone name any with a straight face?

Finally calling obvious fouls isn’t great evidence that the game was fairly officiated…They can only miss so many calls before it gets weird. You’re saying since they didn’t miss calls for the entire game, only most of it, that all is well.

Also, exploring the possibility of ref bias isn’t the same as alleging a conspiracy has taken place.

It's been alleged on here many times that the NFL refs have a conspiracy against the Boys. Why would refs have a bias against the Boys? What would they want to gain or accomplish? If the refs had a bias, it would be to hurts the Cowboys and change the outcome of the game. And the bias was only in the first half, as the Cowboys were helped in their last scoring drive by multiple penalties against the Birds. Your theory doesn't hold water.

 

[DogFace]

I'm glad the call was made, but to be truthful, the roughing the passer call against Haason Reddick was ticky-tacky. Dak getting the 1st down on the QB sneak was a gift as well. Overshown got away with a personal foul when he tried to take Kelce's helmet off in the end zone. Smith had his arm hooked around Sweat's neck after Sweat beat him. I watched the game a second time and was able to FF, rewind, and slo-mo the plays. There were many missed calls on both sides. If you watch any NFL game, you see missed call, bad calls, and tick-tacky calls. It is what it is...

Yea. There’s many that aren’t so obvious. I can accept missing those. I’m saying let’s look at the obvious ones we can all see without pausing the game.

The Reddick late hit? That was clearly late and routine imo. Plus they’d already let one go recently that was a shot to Dak’s head. I’m sure the staff told them about it and used the “keep players safe” slogan.

The spot? I’d have to see that again. I feel better though if we’d have got one legit bad call.

 

[DogFace]

It's been alleged on here many times that the NFL refs have a conspiracy against the Boys. Why would refs have a bias against the Boys? What would they want to gain or accomplish? If the refs had a bias, it would be to hurts the Cowboys and change the outcome of the game. And the bias was only in the first half, as the Cowboys were helped in their last scoring drive by multiple penalties against the Birds. Your theory doesn't hold water.

-multiple correct and easy to call penalties.


Overall do you think NFL fans of other teams have a particular hatred towards the Cowboys? Are their tv shows set up with one or two designated “haters” to hate on the team? Could that attention breed contempt?

 

[DogFace]

It's been alleged on here many times that the NFL refs have a conspiracy against the Boys. Why would refs have a bias against the Boys? What would they want to gain or accomplish? If the refs had a bias, it would be to hurts the Cowboys and change the outcome of the game. And the bias was only in the first half, as the Cowboys were helped in their last scoring drive by multiple penalties against the Birds. Your theory doesn't hold water.

Maybe refs don’t want to appear to show bias to the most popular team in the sport? Maybe they hate the fans? Who knows.

We’ve had some very unique calls over the years that haven’t happed to other teams and in the last 15 years there’s been 25 games where one team had zero penalties. The Cowboys were the opposition in 4 of the 25 which is a high %.

 

[DogFace]

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/americas-team-why-nfl-fans-hate-the-dallas-cowboys


By far the most hated team.

 

[RonnieT24]

Here's my take. If the refs were intending to play favorites to the Eagles, why would they call numerous penalties against them in our final drive of the game? Your timing theory is invalid. Penalties (the Eagles actually committed that were clear and obvious) gave us 1st and goal at the 6 yd line with 27 seconds on the clock. Basically, I get tired of hearing the ref conspiracy theories. You don't think Jerry, with his pull in the NFL, would have addressed this perceived inequality in penalties if it was true?
Crying about penalties is a loser's mindset.

Fixed it for you. After what I had witnessed for the first 59:33 of that game I had no doubt whatsoever that there was not a snowball's chance in hell the refs would let the Cowboys score and win that game. The point remains that they did NOT call the game evenly. They gave the Eagles a free 30 yards on a PI on a ball that landed out of bounds that led to points for them but ignored PI in the end zone against Schoonmaker. They ignored a blow to Dak's head.. They ignored multiple blatant holds against Parsons including one on a TD run right in front the refs and the rest of the free world. They also ignored the right guard not being set (not the only time but the most obvious) on the Eagles first TD run. Not to mention countless times of Lane Johnson leaving a full count before the ball is snapped.

The final tally of penalties being about even is only valid if teams committed the same number of penalties. Which we know was not the case. I'm sure they missed some calls that would have dinged the Cowboys as well. But they didn't miss the "hold" against Wilson where he grabbed Julio Jones' towel in the end zone. Nor the "hold" against McKeon on Dowdle's 18 yard run where the hands are clearly INSIDE the frame of the defender's body which we are told all the time is legal.

The bottom line is that if one team commits 25 penalties but only gets called for 10 while the other team commits 15 penalties but gets called for 10 then the game was not called evenly just because the numbers look the same on the stat sheet. If a person lacks the ability or intellectual integrity to acknowledge that simple fact but instead chooses to fall back on puerile accusations of "crybabies" and "conspiracy theorists" then that's on them.

 

[kskboys]

It's been alleged on here many times that the NFL refs have a conspiracy against the Boys. Why would refs have a bias against the Boys? What would they want to gain or accomplish? If the refs had a bias, it would be to hurts the Cowboys and change the outcome of the game. And the bias was only in the first half, as the Cowboys were helped in their last scoring drive by multiple penalties against the Birds. Your theory doesn't hold water.

That's the silly conspiracy part of it.

Calls are manipulated, but mostly unbiased, though it sure does appear the refs don't like the guys who buck the league, Jerry and Al. Al is the sole reason for the tuck rule. That simple does not get called against every other team. Maybe Al shouldn't bite the hand that feeds him. Jerry's getting rich off the NFL, why does he keep fighting them?

 

[kskboys]

Fixed it for you. After what I had witnessed for the first 59:33 of that game I had no doubt whatsoever that there was not a snowball's chance in hell the refs would let the Cowboys score and win that game. The point remains that they did NOT call the game evenly. They gave the Eagles a free 30 yards on a PI on a ball that landed out of bounds that led to points for them but ignored PI in the end zone against Schoonmaker. They ignored a blow to Dak's head.. They ignored multiple blatant holds against Parsons including one on a TD run right in front the refs and the rest of the free world. They also ignored the right guard not being set (not the only time but the most obvious) on the Eagles first TD run. Not to mention countless times of Lane Johnson leaving a full count before the ball is snapped.

The final tally of penalties being about even is only valid if teams committed the same number of penalties. Which we know was not the case. I'm sure they missed some calls that would have dinged the Cowboys as well. But they didn't miss the "hold" against Wilson where he grabbed Julio Jones' towel in the end zone. Nor the "hold" against McKeon on Dowdle's 18 yard run where the hands are clearly INSIDE the frame of the defender's body which we are told all the time is legal.

The bottom line is that if one team commits 25 penalties but only gets called for 10 while the other team commits 15 penalties but gets called for 10 then the game was not called evenly just because the numbers look the same on the stat sheet. If a person lacks the ability or intellectual integrity to acknowledge that simple fact but instead chooses to fall back on puerile accusations of "crybabies" and "conspiracy theorists" then that's on them.

And with the way we were dominating them, if the refs don't take a hand we win by two scores in a much more boring game. Which means fewer people watching which means less money. Easy math.

 

[RonnieT24]

And with the way we were dominating them, if the refs don't take a hand we win by two scores in a much more boring game. Which means fewer people watching which means less money. Easy math.

Exactly... I lose more and more faith each year that these games are not controlled and made to be kept close because of ratings. Especially the marquee games. Without the refs intervention I believe like you that the Cowboys likely win that game going away. Some people seem hellbent on concluding that the 2 penalties against the Cowboys while they were winning in the first half getting flipped to 8 penalties in the second half was just a weird coincidence. I am not such a person.

 

[kskboys]

Exactly... I lose more and more faith each year that these games are not controlled and made to be kept close because of ratings. Especially the marquee games. Without the refs intervention I believe like you that the Cowboys likely win that game going away. Some people seem hellbent on concluding that the 2 penalties against the Cowboys while they were winning in the first half getting flipped to 8 penalties in the second half was just a weird coincidence. I am not such a person.

I used to deny it myself, but man, you have to ignore a ton of proof to not see it.

I've said it before, but I'll reiterate. If anyone denies this is happening, I challenge you to get ahold of a copy of the 2017 championship game, NE vs JAX. Must be a complete copy so you can see the plays they called back against JAX to keep NE in the game. It was completely disgusting. And beyond blatantly obvious.

 

[Hadenough]

The refs gave you a golden opportunity to pull it out at the end, what happened?

They can only gift them so much. Dak has to do something to earn it. The refs saw Dak take those sacks and probably said we can't do it all! This a testament as to how poor a player Dak is in crunch time. Seems like the refs gave them about 60 yards and Dak goes backwards 30.