D-law on the refs

[TwentyOne]

notice the lack of "likes" of your comments. Means we disagree.

Who is "we" ?

And what have "likes" to do with agreeing on something? Maybe you use the "like" function wrong?

And of course you can disagree. But your opinion or even the opinion of others does not make my post wrong. Arguments do. Do you have some ?

 

[kskboys]

1. Officiating can and does cause teams to win or lose.
2. If officiating is bad enough a team cannot overcome officiating.
3. Officials can call “even out” penalties or make up calls for a bad call but due to game situations the make up call may not equalize a prior bad call.
4. I don’t play golf but I can assure you that if I keep score Tiger woods cannot beat me on his best day. If Tiger shoots a course record to overcome my score keeping, I can assure you that I will beat him by one stroke and I will have the course record. That’s the way biased officiating works.

Very nicely done.

 

[kskboys]

Whats funny is my eagles friends were all complaining about the refs in the jets game.

The reffing has gotten really bad all over the NFL. It's all about keeping the fans interested in this "entertainment" venue. The NFL doesn't care about being fair or honest or any of that. It's all to keep the gravy train rolling. That is what fans are seeing. Since fans are greatly biased for their own team, they only see the bad calls against their team, they simply cannot see that it happens both ways, and that the calls are not made for or against anyone. It's to keep the games close.

Think about it, there were no magic beans or wand waving to keep the games closer and have more comebacks. In the history of the NFL, there's never been so many one score games. There's never been so many amazing comebacks, teams that were down 3 scores now lose by one score. And what you're seeing from the refs is simply confusion on their part. Why? Because their job isn't to call the game honestly and w/ integrity, their job is to call the game w/ a purpose, the purpose of keeping games close. Olio.

 

[kskboys]

It also matters if they are committing many fouls as well that they aren’t getting called for.

If team A interferes 10 times and is called for 1 and team B interferes 1 time and is called for 1 that doesn’t make the officiating even.

I’m not sure how some don’t understand that simply looking at the number of calls or yards is good way to determine if the rules are being enforced evenly. But many don’t. They’re so programmed to follow authority that they can’t critically think it through.

W/ the slightest tad of critical thinking, it's obvious something is going on. Only thing left now is to determine what it is.

I wish we had the college refs back. Everyone was so programmed to think the NFL refs were better that that's what they saw. The college refs called games honestly. It was actually much much better.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Losers blame the refs. It’s a way to avoid actual accountability. “We didn’t lose, the refs lost it for us”

Did the ref push Dak out of bounds?
Did the ref force Ferguson to run a bad route?
Did the ref force the Boys to go for a TD and not take a FG?
Did the ref decide not to help Steele and instead focus on helping the guards and center?

Every game has bad calls. Good teams take advantage of ones that go their way and fight through ones that don’t.

This is just a red herring encapsulated with an ad hominem. Yes, if you’re practically always blaming the refs for the loss despite your issues, then yes, this “analysis” makes sense. But if the refs are not doing their jobs correctly, exhibiting double standards, repeatedly making mistakes, etc., that does have an impact on the game, especially in a league of parity. Refs are supposed to be objective, minimal actors within a game. They are there for one purpose (not a nefarious, hidden one), and that is to make sure the game is called fair and within the rules. They are not there to interfere in game play unless the former is violated. Otherwise, they are superfluous. When they do not do their job correctly, it is absolutely necessary to call them out for the integrity of the game.

 

[kskboys]

This is just a red herring encapsulated with an ad hominem. Yes, if you’re practically always blaming the refs for the loss despite your issues, then yes, this “analysis” makes sense. But if the refs are not doing their jobs correctly, exhibiting double standards, repeatedly making mistakes, etc., that does have an impact on the game. Refs are supposed to be objective, minimal actors within a game. They are they are there for one purpose (not a nefarious, hidden one), and that is to make sure the game is called fair and within the rules. They are not there to interfere in game play unless the former is violated. When they do, it is absolutely necessary to call them out for the integrity of the game.

Well said.

 

[cmoney23]

Losers blame the refs. It’s a way to avoid actual accountability. “We didn’t lose, the refs lost it for us”

Did the ref push Dak out of bounds?
Did the ref force Ferguson to run a bad route?
Did the ref force the Boys to go for a TD and not take a FG?
Did the ref decide not to help Steele and instead focus on helping the guards and center?

Every game has bad calls. Good teams take advantage of ones that go their way and fight through ones that don’t.

Did the refs not call a PI when they tackled SCOONMAKER at the goal line before he caught it? YEP!!!!!!!

Say what you want, but that route was FINE without the obvious PI. IT WAS CALLED A TD! Terrible game altering no call.

 

[kskboys]

Did the refs not call a PI when they tackled SCOONMAKER at the goal line before he caught it? YEP!!!!!!!

Say what you want, but that route was FINE without the obvious PI. IT WAS CALLED A TD! Terrible game altering no call.

No calls are just as insidious as bad calls. Saints definitely think so!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[conner01]

I wonder what they thought when they saw the replay .. "Whoops, missed one"?

I bet they did. Remember that ref called it a TD so I think he didn’t think it mattered

 

[MarcusRock]

Who is "we" ?

And what have "likes" to do with agreeing on something? Maybe you use the "like" function wrong?

And of course you can disagree. But your opinion or even the opinion of others does not make my post wrong. Arguments do. Do you have some ?

Don't even know what you two are talking about but this can't be any more true. I've mentioned several times how people around here post while looking over their shoulder wondering about what others will say. The other phenomenon is to make a whine they know will be co-signed and thus get the validation they seek. Wish more people could just state their peace and go from there based on their particular argument.

 

[MyFairLady]

Weak and stupid like Fredo.

 

[Deionindahood]

I rewatched the game. There were a few penalties that were not called against us as well.

 

[ESisback]

Why would someone invest 3 1/2 hours watching the game and multiple hours a week on a team message board if they actually believed the games were fixed or the referees were biased against their team?
Cowboys score from the 6 and win the game and this place loses 100 pages on referee bias and replaced with we are gonna win the East pages.

Because they have hope. They HOPE it’s not true. They HOPE they are wrong. If they are right, they HOPE the team gets so good they can overcome the bad calls or no calls. Most just HOPE to watch good football.

Look, we all KNOW there are bad calls against everyone, and that it “evens out”. Most of us KNOW there’s no organized script or elaborate evil plot. But many of us also KNOW that bias exists, that the league pursues maximum profit above all else, and that subjective penalties allows them to influence profitable outcomes without the provable appearance of malfeasance. We also know that Dallas is their cash cow—massive profits for always being in the discussion during the regular season, then MASSIVE rating$ for losing on the big stage in the playoffs.

When each team has ten penalties, you can’t just leave it there. You have to look at WHEN they happen, and if they directly affect the score. It’s NOT weakness, it’s looking at FACTS.

 

[RonnieT24]

I rewatched the game. There were a few penalties that were not called against us as well.

Which ones allowed us to score or stopped the Eagles from scoring? No one has ever argued that we don't get the benefit of some missed/bad calls at times. But timing as they say is everything. A 40 PI that takes you from punting from your 10 yard line to midfield is nice but does it have the same impact as a 2 yard PI on 4th down that would give you first and goal at the 1? To the uninitiated it might seem that the 40 yarder is the bigger call.. but is it really?

 

[Pola_pe_a]

Did the refs not call a PI when they tackled SCOONMAKER at the goal line before he caught it? YEP!!!!!!!

Say what you want, but that route was FINE without the obvious PI. IT WAS CALLED A TD! Terrible game altering no call.

1 That is never getting called. Complain all you want it’s not. It’s too much of a bang bang play. You’ll see the sane non-call all the time.
2. Ferguson ran a bad route he has to come flatter to pick Blankenship. Nothing to do with Schoon’s route

 

[DallasInDC]

yeah its not just us or against you, its league wide.
Some obvious holds/PIs ignored but in the same game minor stuff/phantom calls are made.

Watching any kansas city game bugs the heck out of me watching how everything goes in their favor, your game against miami was horrendously one sided, we really need full time people or at least some better challenge system

I really think the centralized refs watching all the televised plays making corrections would eliminate a lot of the human error. If they utilized it more.

 

[RonnieT24]

I really think the centralized refs watching all the televised plays making corrections would eliminate a lot of the human error. If they utilized it more.

Yeah but it would make games that much easier to fix too.

 

[cmoney23]

1 That is never getting called. Complain all you want it’s not. It’s too much of a bang bang play. You’ll see the sane non-call all the time.
2. Ferguson ran a bad route he has to come flatter to pick Blankenship. Nothing to do with Schoon’s route

PI gets called ALL THE TIME. According to Rookieroad.com DPI is the 3rd most common penalty called.

Combined with the TACKLE made it's a very egregious form of the penalty.

My theory is the ref didn't call it because he saw it as a touchdown. So I think he just left the flag in his pocket thinking that he scored the touchdown anyway.

 

[Cowboys5217]

W/ the slightest tad of critical thinking, it's obvious something is going on. Only thing left now is to determine what it is.

I wish we had the college refs back. Everyone was so programmed to think the NFL refs were better that that's what they saw. The college refs called games honestly. It was actually much much better.

Yep, they blew calls, but it was even across the league as the Packers finally weren't the darlings anymore and got calls against them... which is why we had to quickly go back to the clown NFL ref crews who know which teams are darlings and which aren't.

 

[Cowboys5217]

I agree 100% with what your saying. The sad part as a whole is what the NFL has become. I saw a few calls against the Eagles that left me shaking my head as well. The officiating has played a major role across the league and I for one do not want to win on a bad call against the other team or lose due to one. They need to call every game like they call the Super Bowl Let the guys play, Period. Also the use of replay on a lot of calls specifically PI, Roughing the passer and in situations like the one with Schoonmakers catch, Right call but adjust to the PI. They have all the technology lets see. Good win for you guys and your right they took advantage of oppurtunities and we didn't.

List the bad calls against the Eagles.