D-linemen stud, that's available

[Irvin88_4life]

We have plenty of rotational backup type DTs and some of them double as DEs as well.

Besides Collins who appears that he might be a steal and good player...We don't have any All Pro, or Pro Bowl quality DTs on this Roster IMO. We could easily improve on a 1 tech and We could probably improve on the 3...at very worst we should be able to improve on our depth even if it is just one or two players.

We don't have any all pro at any position on defense.......not sure why you keep saying it about DT.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

We don't have any all pro at any position on defense.......not sure why you keep saying it about DT.

Because the person I was talking with earlier said the DT was a strength of or defense. One would think that if the DTs were the strength of our Defense...we would have at least one Pro Bowl or All Pro worthy DT.

 

[Chuck 54]

Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, just because you make the argument that the DT position was the strength of the defense last year...it was on a defense that was not great last year despite the numbers.

We had zero DTs with pro-bowl or all pro play last year. I honestly doubt we have people at DT last year that would be starters on even half of the other rosters in the NFL.

DT is without a Doubt a position of Need of upgrading. Esp if you are losing your best DT in TM. The only other DT on the roster that has shown starting promise to me is Collins as a Rook. We could use better DTs at both the 1 and the 3 tech.

Yep, I still think we should be playing TCrawford, Collins, Thornton, and Irving at DT. Then find a DE to pair with DLaw, Mayowa, and Tapper. But adding another young DT in the draft is definitely cool by me.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

My guy is off the table, not surprisingly. I wonder for how much

5 years, $60 million. $18.5 mill guaranteed

 

[visionary]

Actually DE is. We have plenty DTs

Not a matter of 'plenty'
We have 1 tea DT in Collins
The rest are bodies

 

[visionary]

Any position can be upgraded, but DT was the strength of the defense last season. Lol at your not realizing it.

Not one starter other than Collins

 

[Idgit]

Not one starter other than Collins

That's obviously untrue, but whatever. You don't like the DTs, got it.

The real probable is in the secondary and at DE, still. That, and we don't have a MIKE if Smith can't play again.

 

[RandyOh]

I wonder if we take a good look at Nick Fairley if hes still on the market after 5 days or so. Especially after losing McClain

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Because the person I was talking with earlier said the DT was a strength of or defense. One would think that if the DTs were the strength of our Defense...we would have at least one Pro Bowl or All Pro worthy DT.

Not true. Defense can be bad and have a strength.....

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Not a matter of 'plenty'
We have 1 tea DT in Collins
The rest are bodies

Sure

 

[visionary]

I wonder if we take a good look at Nick Fairley if hes still on the market after 5 days or so. Especially after losing McClain

Haven't you heard @Idgit thinks DT is not a need

Let's roll with the crap we have right now lol

 

[Idgit]

Haven't you heard @Idgit thinks DT is not a need

Let's roll with the crap we have right now lol

You don't need to ping me for every little thing you want to overreact about. Including 'taking a good look at Nick Fairley.' Lol.

You also don't get to end run around the adult position when it comes to addressing the problems on this defense, since I've been complaining about our defensive shortsightedness since back when you were still sure we weren't serious about addressing the OL and that the problems on this team were an inability to draft and "play calling," or whatever nonsense you've been drive-by posting about the last 5 or so years.

I've consistently said the same things about the DL rotation and the quality of personnel and coaching we've had on defense since 2012.

And our issues last season were with edge pressure and, in some cases, edge run containment, and not at DT. Yes, it's possible to upgrade, no, we don't need to be devoting mid-round picks on top of significant cap space to get that done.

 

[Trouty]

That's obviously untrue, but whatever. You don't like the DTs, got it.

The real probable is in the secondary and at DE, still. That, and we don't have a MIKE if Smith can't play again.

Are we really arguing whether DT is a bigger need than freaking DE? Not to mention the money tied up to the middle (TCraw/Thornton). We had a rookie 3T with 5 sacks. Another 3T making 9mil. Our ends are pathetic when compared to what we need for a championship caliber roster. A true end shores up the line and slots Craw back to the 3 where he belongs, whether he likes it or not.

Stahp (obliviously, not at you, Idgit)

 

[Trouty]

And our issues last season were with edge pressure and, in some cases, edge run containment, and not at DT. Yes, it's possible to upgrade, no, we don't need to be devoting mid-round picks on top of significant cap space to get that done.

Not to mention, we've already done that.

 

[Idgit]

Are we really arguing whether DT is a bigger need than freaking DE? Not to mention the money tied up to the middle (TCraw/Thornton). We had a rookie 3T with 5 sacks. Another 3T making 9mil. Our ends are pathetic when compared to what we need for a championship caliber roster. A true end shores up the line and slots Craw back to the 3 where he belongs, whether he likes it or not.

Stahp (obliviously, not at you, Idgit)

It's silly season in CZ. Where everything, everywhere, is a problem, all the time.

Meanwhile, we're looking at losing 3 starters in the secondary and a key role player, and still don't have a rush end on the roster who's more than a rotational player or doesn't have a trick back or a serious substance abuse problem keeping him off the field indefinitely.

Oh, and the guy we've got penciled in at MIKE has drop-foot.

The only possible solution is to start shelling out mid-round picks on top of ~$10+MM compensation to troubled players with track records of substance abuse themselves who don't always attend meetings on time and who are going to be street free agents in 12 months. Because Greg Hardy worked out so well two years ago. Jesus.

I wish you could slap people over the internet and that it wouldn't necessarily be against the CZ guidelines if you could. Because I would be slapping some people.

 

[acer941]

It's silly season in CZ. Where everything, everywhere, is a problem, all the time.

Meanwhile, we're looking at losing 3 starters in the secondary and a key role player, and still don't have a rush end on the roster who's more than a rotational player or doesn't have a trick back or a serious substance abuse problem keeping him off the field indefinitely.

Oh, and the guy we've got penciled in at MIKE has drop-foot.

The only possible solution is to start shelling out mid-round picks on top of ~$10+MM compensation to troubled players with track records of substance abuse themselves who don't always attend meetings on time and who are going to be street free agents in 12 months. Because Greg Hardy worked out so well two years ago. Jesus.

I wish you could slap people over the internet and that it wouldn't necessarily be against the CZ guidelines if you could. Because I would be slapping some people.

Did you not read my whole original post? It wasn't just about signing Richardson it was about him being a crucial piece to solving our defensive line in whole swift swoop...

After months have passed since our last game forget certain problems and just remember what they want to, I'm not point at you, I'm just saying in general.

What I suggest is that all of you go back and watch the entire Game against the packers and then tell me if we had a push from the inside or not. From what I remember and seen, it was pretty non-existent at times. People also forget that more than 75% of our team sacks came on blitzes were a defensive linemen went free or had a favorable matchup. It was very rare to see any of our guys beating people in their 1 on 1 matchups like they were supposed to.

 

[Idgit]

Did you not read my whole original post? It wasn't just about signing Richardson it was about him being a crucial piece to solving our defensive line in whole swift swoop...

After months have passed since our last game forget certain problems and just remember what they want to, I'm not point at you, I'm just saying in general.

What I suggest is that all of you go back and watch the entire Game against the packers and then tell me if we had a push from the inside or not. From what I remember and seen, it was pretty non-existent at times. People also forget that more than 75% of our team sacks came on blitzes were a defensive linemen went free or had a favorable matchup. It was very rare to see any of our guys beating people in their 1 on 1 matchups like they were supposed to.

We got little pressure in that game, and when we did, we were getting held much of the time, for sure. Generally speaking, though, we got good pressure from the DT positions all year, and had a decent rotation. And that's with one of our best 3 tech's playing strong side out of necessity.

As I said, I'm all for upgrading anywhere. I don't like spending a pick on a guy who's a FA next year when we need those picks for long-term role players. If we're talking about Richardson on a one year prove-it deal off the street, it's an entirely different thing.

 

[acer941]

We got little pressure in that game, and when we did, we were getting held much of the time, for sure. Generally speaking, though, we got good pressure from the DT positions all year, and had a decent rotation. And that's with one of our best 3 tech's playing strong side out of necessity.

As I said, I'm all for upgrading anywhere. I don't like spending a pick on a guy who's a FA next year when we need those picks for long-term role players. If we're talking about Richardson on a one year prove-it deal off the street, it's an entirely different thing.

Yeah I understand where your coming from. From my perspective though, I feel as giving maybe two 5th rounders for him is fine. Especially the ones for next year because we are going to get a boat load of comp. picks from our Free agent class that's leaving us this year.

Since we hit on Dak last year our late round picks value here on CZ, has skyrocketed haha!

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I don't think he is honestly that bad, his incidents started when the Jets drafted Leanord Williams to take his spot right after he had an All-Pro year. Which is almost unheard of for teams to do, and I'm guessing that made him feel like an Outcast with certain fellow teammates.

So a change of Scenery could do the man wonders to get his head back on straight and it doesn't hurt that he will actually be on an winning team instead of that debacle the jets put on the field year in and year out.

Haven't followed Richardson much but what you say is encouraging.

 

[Idgit]

Yeah I understand where your coming from. From my perspective though, I feel as giving maybe two 5th rounders for him is fine. Especially the ones for next year because we are going to get a boat load of comp. picks from our Free agent class that's leaving us this year.

Since we hit on Dak last year our late round picks value here on CZ, has skyrocketed haha!

We've just got a lot to address on defense right now. I'm pretty protective of those picks.

I do see Richardson as the kind of move Dallas would make a few weeks after FA settles down, though, if the Jets want to move him. I mentioned in another thread that bundling him in a 3 way with Denver for Romo had some appeal. I just don't want to give up our 4th. We're already down a 5th (and up a 7th) from that Cassell trade, remember.