D.Smith Updates

[MichaelWinicki]

And too add to thast, if we outbid these other teams and and Sign D. Smith, and we dont make it to the SB or we lose to the SB, would have still been worth it?

No, it would not have been worth it.

 

[AbeBeta]

nothing, We just drafted our future at FS, why go spend money on a guy, that would only hender his growth.

I don't think any team in this league is going to count on 2nd day guys to be the "future" at any position. There was a reason why Watkins was the 25th DB taken. He's a longshot.

 

[dargonking999]

I don't think any team in this league is going to count on 2nd day guys to be the "future" at any position. There was a reason why Watkins was the 25th DB taken. He's a longshot.

So what, Pettiti, Witten, Crayton, none of these guys are the future eh? Please just because you arent first round talent, doesnt mean you cant be the "future"

 

[superpunk]

Ah... Yes.

I don't think this team is close enough to winning the SB to sabotage any position on the roster by giving up a young guy with some upside for a guy that isn't probowl material and will cost a lot of money.

He wasn't costing alot of money in New Orleans.

Sabotage? Give up? Where has this been suggested? Smith is better than anyone on our roster. He is a better option, for a team that is looking for big things. He is young. The only knock is some stupid things he did in Tampa.

 

[dargonking999]

He wasn't costing alot of money in New Orleans.

Sabotage? Give up? Where has this been suggested? Smith is better than anyone on our roster. He is a better option, for a team that is looking for big things. He is young. The only knock is some stupid things he did in Tampa.

a 5'10 FS

that had 2 INT's in 15 games Started, with 72 tackles and 1 sack

vs 5'11 FS 16 GS with 66 tackles and 1 INT (since that was a bs call).

Again i really dont think he is so much better that it requries us getting ibnto a bidding war with other teams, for services that can be gained through Watkins or Davis

 

[superpunk]

a 5'10 FS

that had 2 INT's in 15 games Started, with 72 tackles and 1 sack

vs 5'11 FS 16 GS with 66 tackles and 1 INT (since that was a bs call).

Again i really dont think he is so much better that it requries us getting ibnto a bidding war with other teams, for services that can be gained through Watkins or Davis

You've taken his one season where he was forced to play SS, because of injury, and determined he's not that good? As a FS, he is a good player. Certainly much better than anyone on our team.

 

[junk]

Ah... Yes.

I don't think this team is close enough to winning the SB to sabotage any position on the roster by giving up a young guy with some upside for a guy that isn't probowl material and will cost a lot of money.

Why would he cost a lot of money? Did you see his last contract? Nobody traded for him, so I'd be very surprised if anyone actually offers more.

This argument reeks of the same arguments I heard for Fabini, who ended up costing a little bit of nothing.

Smith is only 28, its not like he is some washed up has been.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think any team in this league is going to count on 2nd day guys to be the "future" at any position. There was a reason why Watkins was the 25th DB taken. He's a longshot.

How do you know that? I mean really... back up that statement.

First off any team that relies on just the first 3 picks of the draft is "out of touch". That's only 30 players over a decade to build your team around. And I don't want to hear about free-agency because we know for the most part that is a "wash". Lose a player-- gain a player.

I think most teams view their drafts as having players outside the first three rounds that can contribute long term. I mean they have too! Look at the numbers! To not think that would qualify you for a free ride on a short bus.

And in most draft guides Watkins was rated far above a 5th rounder. I seen many having him drafted in round 2.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Why would he cost a lot of money? Did you see his last contract? Nobody traded for him, so I'd be very surprised if anyone actually offers more.

This argument reeks of the same arguments I heard for Fabini, who ended up costing a little bit of nothing.

Smith is only 28, its not like he is some washed up has been.

I for one don't consider Smith to be anything special... certainly not worlds better than Davis (who we have a decent investment in) and I still believe Watkins has far more upside.

Also keep in mind that Smith "made his mark" as a cover-2 safety. Perhaps we aren't looking for a cover-2 safety.

 

[Doomsday101]

You've taken his one season where he was forced to play SS, because of injury, and determined he's not that good? As a FS, he is a good player. Certainly much better than anyone on our team.

He is good but he got a lot of help in TB by playing on a defensive unit with a lot of very good players and a top pass rushing unit. I'm not going to knock the guy I think he is good but he is not some super star either that would make or break this team by him signing with us or not

 

[superpunk]

Also keep in mind that Smith "made his mark" as a cover-2 safety. Perhaps we aren't looking for a cover-2 safety.

Well, that is at least a decent point. One I hadn't quite considered.

 

[dargonking999]

Why would he cost a lot of money? Did you see his last contract? Nobody traded for him, so I'd be very surprised if anyone actually offers more.

This argument reeks of the same arguments I heard for Fabini, who ended up costing a little bit of nothing.

Smith is only 28, its not like he is some washed up has been.

Excatly, but you really think he's gonna be cheap. If he's as good as every one proclaims he is, you really think he's gonna come for a 1 or 2 year deal thats cap freindly. You guys make less sense than campo

 

[AbeBeta]

So what, Pettiti, Witten, Crayton, none of these guys are the future eh? Please just because you arent first round talent, doesnt mean you cant be the "future"

You are missing the point.

You simply do not go into a season thinking that a 5th round pick is going to be your future at a position -- that doesn't mean he can't develop into that. But it is pretty damn optimistic to think so.

Also, I'd actually like to see some consisent play out of Petitti and Crayton before I called either the future.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

a 5'10 FS

that had 2 INT's in 15 games Started, with 72 tackles and 1 sack

vs 5'11 FS 16 GS with 66 tackles and 1 INT (since that was a bs call).

Again i really dont think he is so much better that it requries us getting ibnto a bidding war with other teams, for services that can be gained through Watkins or Davis

Yep.

I'm not seeing Darren Woodson in Dwight Smith.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You are missing the point.

You simply do not go into a season thinking that a 5th round pick is going to be your future at a position -- that doesn't mean he can't develop into that. But it is pretty damn optimistic to think so.

Also, I'd actually like to see some consisent play out of Petitti and Crayton before I called either the future.

I think you're wrong.

I think teams do have to do that.

 

[dargonking999]

You are missing the point.

You simply do not go into a season thinking that a 5th round pick is going to be your future at a position -- that doesn't mean he can't develop into that. But it is pretty damn optimistic to think so.

Also, I'd actually like to see some consisent play out of Petitti and Crayton before I called either the future.

So i guess we didnt go into the season with a 6th round rookie as a starting RT eh?

 

[superpunk]

He is good but he got a lot of help in TB by playing on a defensive unit with a lot of very good players and a top pass rushing unit. I'm not going to knock the guy I think he is good but he is not some super star either that would make or break this team by him signing with us or not

Noone is saying he's a star. He's better than what we got - a good bit better.

 

[superpunk]

So i guess we didnt go into the season with a 6th round rookie as a starting RT eh?

Yeah.....that worked real awesome. :laugh2:

 

[JackMagist]

nothing, We just drafted our future at FS, why go spend money on a guy, that would only hender his growth.

I think us not going after him shows the faith the coaching staff has in the FS postion, i wonder why fans never trust the decsions, of the coahcing staff, you know the guys that get paid to evualate players, i mean its not like we're still in the campo years

One playoff appearance in this millennium and no playoff victories have a lot to do with our mistrust. But your right it's not like the Campo years; it's more like the Chan Gailey years except that I think Gailey actually WON a playoff game in his 3 years.

 

[wileedog]

Yep.

I'm not seeing Darren Woodson in Dwight Smith.

I'm not seeing that this year or probably next for anyone on our roster either.

I agree with your argument to a point - If Smith signs with the Vikes or Buc for anything over 3 years with a large SB upfront, I'll say "oh well" and move on.

But if its anything cheaper or shorter then I agree with SP that having him on the roster for 2 years while Watkins fills out and develops would be a very Good Thing.

We'll have to see what he finally signs for.