D.Ware being Misused?

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after 2 yrs in the NFL and watching ware be restricted by the scheme dallas plays..why draft him? if dallas isnt going to use him to the fullest of his abilities?

me personally i would love to see him as a fulltime De in a 4-3..hell a passrusher in a 3-4 would do good too if dallas actually ever rushed..ware is being wasted in coverage far too much..why? who knows why..but wasnt that why ware was brought to dallas?

it seems that ware is doing most of his damage in the nickle with his hand on the ground..so wouldnt the next regime in dallas be better off going back to a 4-3?

maybe some trades might need to be done..say spears or canty? but those would be minimal.

just an observation...any thoughts?
 

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Fullest of abilities means using him against the run, as a pass rusher, and in coverage on backs and TEs.

Aren't we doing that? I think we are.
 

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Fullest ability does not mean using him in the best way to generate fantasy statistics.
 

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Hostile;1122979 said:
Fullest of abilities means using him against the run, as a pass rusher, and in coverage on backs and TEs.

Aren't we doing that? I think we are.

i guess ur not seeing ware being more of a liability in coverage..i guess thats why they bring burnett in more for coverage..see where im going here?

ware just doesnt look like a lb'er..
 

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abersonc;1122984 said:
Fullest ability does not mean using him in the best way to generate fantasy statistics.


although those fancy statistics are always nice to have
 

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Ware is becomming that thing all coach's want, a COMPLETE LBer. - not a finished product yet, but I would not trade him for anyone.
 

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Rushes the passer....check.

Stops the run....check.

Covers TE and RBs....check.

Nope. He's not being used at all..

Let me guess, you want more sacks? You think Merriman is better because he ahs more sacks? :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
 

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abersonc;1122984 said:
Fullest ability does not mean using him in the best way to generate fantasy statistics.

who's talking about fantasy? im talking about sacks and pressure..so maybe this secondary wouldnt have to cover forever and a day while letting qb's look for 3rd and 4th options..

i guess not everybody thinks dallas doesnt have a problem with the lack of pressure they get on qb's

go figure
 

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kiheikiwi;1122992 said:
Ware is becomming that thing all coach's want, a COMPLETE LBer. - not a finished product yet, but I would not trade him for anyone.


well considering dallas brings in burnett for coverage rather then leaving ware to do it..i would say he's lacking in that department..ware is a passrusher..he can cover..but thats not saying its a good idea
 

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LatinMind;1122997 said:
well considering dallas brings in burnett for coverage rather then leaving ware to do it..i would say he's lacking in that department..ware is a passrusher..he can cover..but thats not saying its a good idea

Are you mental? You don't think every team in the league spells their LB's on certain passing downs? Just because Burnett excels in coverage doesn't mean Ware is inept at it.
 

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LatinMind;1122997 said:
well considering dallas brings in burnett for coverage rather then leaving ware to do it..i would say he's lacking in that department..ware is a passrusher..he can cover..but thats not saying its a good idea
Pretty sure is you go back and check, Parcells said last week that both Ware and Ellis were playing both the regular defence and the nickel. And that it was too much cause they were not getting off the field. So he was going to sub. them more. - Thats why Burnnet is playing more right now.
 
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Ware should be used differently... he should be allowed to rush more than he is... they should move him around and make the offense adjust to the defense... they don't do that...
 
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kiheikiwi;1123010 said:
Pretty sure is you go back and check, Parcells said last week that both Ware and Ellis were playing both the regular defence and the nickel. And that it was too much cause they were not getting off the field. So he was going to sub. them more. - Thats why Burnnet is playing more right now.

Burnett is better in coverage... no one is gonna argue that...
 

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tomson75;1123002 said:
Are you mental? You don't think every team in the league spells their LB's on certain passing downs? Just because Burnett excels in coverage doesn't mean Ware is inept at it.


lol i dont think u got the concept of the thread..im not saying ware cant do this or do that..what im saying is IMO i think ware is being restricted with this scheme..

i think some people should read and comprehend the thread before they go out and post in it
 

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As for making Ware a 4-3 End, that's exactly what the Jets and Falcons did with John Abraham. Sound like a good idea...but, look at how many games he's spent on the injured list.

Parcells has talked about this before. He says those size guys can't take the long term wear and tear of a 4-3 End. So far he's been right. Look where Abraham is right now.
 

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LatinMind;1122987 said:
i guess ur not seeing ware being more of a liability in coverage..i guess thats why they bring burnett in more for coverage..see where im going here?

ware just doesnt look like a lb'er..
A liability in coverage? Are you serious? He has sniffed out screens several times this year and made plays. Tell me when you've seen a successful screen to the right side of our defense this year.

Know what you're talking about before you start another meaningless thread to bash one of our players. Is that too much to ask?

Either that or know what a LB looks like I guess, because you haven't got a clue in this case.
 
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CaptainAmerica;1123026 said:
As for making Ware a 4-3 End, that's exactly what the Jets and Falcons did with John Abraham. Sound like a good idea...but, look at how many games he's spent on the injured list.

Parcells has talked about this before. He says those size guys can't take the long term wear and tear of a 4-3 End. So far he's been right. Look where Abraham is right now.

:cool: Freeney? Jason Taylor??
 
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Hostile;1123027 said:
A liability in coverage? Are you serious? He has sniffed out screens several times this year and made plays. Tell me when you've seen a successful screen to the right side of our defense this year.

Know what you're talking about before you start another meaningless thread to bash one of our players. Is that too much to ask?

Either that or know what a LB looks like I guess, because you haven't got a clue in this case.

He isn't bashing the player... he is bashing the way he is being used... ala the coaching staff...
 

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CaptainAmerica;1123026 said:
As for making Ware a 4-3 End, that's exactly what the Jets and Falcons did with John Abraham. Sound like a good idea...but, look at how many games he's spent on the injured list.

Parcells has talked about this before. He says those size guys can't take the long term wear and tear of a 4-3 End. So far he's been right. Look where Abraham is right now.

abraham has been a injur case from the get go..

what about burgess in oakland, freeney in indy, jason taylor in miami..before age got a hold of him..

it can be done..besides..have u seen ware's bottom half of his body? the guy has gotten alot bigger from last yr..he's at what 265?

i would much rather have ware rushing the passer every down, then him wasting his skills in coverage..thats just me tho..

we like to complain about no turnovers or sacks..but when somebody mentions ware at de..the pack comes out and tries to argue every reason in the book about why its a bad idea..

cant have it both ways..dallas really needs pressure, wether its a 4-3.or a natural 3-4..something needs to be done about the lack of pressure
 

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What I would like to see atleast on occassion, is Ware moved to the SOLB spot with Burnett on the right side. They could even keep Ellis in the game at RDE.
 
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