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News: Dak’s performance without Zeke

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Nav22, May 22, 2020 at 8:00 AM.

  1. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-co...oys-pay-dak-prescott-lets-look-at-the-numbers

    Over his career, Prescott has a higher Total QBR on plays with Elliott off the field (71.3) than he does with him on (70.3). From 2016 to 2019, the only qualified quarterback with at least a 71.3 QBR is Patrick Mahomes (78.2).

    Just keying in on the takeaway that Prescott is better without Elliott than with him is simplistic, but it’s close. There’s a similar split with his yards per attempt (7.65 with Elliott and 7.53 without) and first-down percentage of pass attempts (37% with, 35% without).

    As a team, Dallas’s third-down percentage without Elliott (43.5) is barely better than with him (43.3).

    Another way to examine Prescott’s passing without the threat of Elliott is to look at his performance in empty sets. The NFL calls a pass play on 98.8% of plays with an empty formation (not surprising), so it’s relevant to see how Prescott does when his formation signals an obvious pass before the snap.

    Prescott’s performance out of empty sets has been better than good -- his 83.2 Total QBR ranks fourth among qualified quarterbacks (behind Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Andrew Luck). He has thrown for 14 touchdowns with five interceptions and averaged 7.7 yards per attempt out of empty sets, ranking in the top 10 in both touchdown-to-interception ratio and yards per attempt among quarterbacks with 100-plus of those passes over the past four years.
     
  2. starfan1

    starfan1 Well-Known Member

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    you do realize the haters dont give 2 shats about Daks performance without Zeke.Facts make no difference to them. This years narrative is garbage time and cant beat good teams. Last year it was cant throw for more than 250. Once dak takes this team to the promise land then it will be about the team. When it should be now.
     
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  3. Oz-of-Cowboy-Country

    Oz-of-Cowboy-Country Well-Known Member

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    What happened to the Zeke bashing @aria? This is his type of information.
     
  4. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Moderator

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    Withdraw the offer immediately. Let Dak play under the the tag.
     
  5. Sydla

    Sydla Well-Known Member

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    More proof we didn't need to overpay Zeke.
     
  6. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Dak has played 6 games without Zeke (not counting a meaninless game at the end of the 2016 season when the team sat Zeke).
    Dak is 3-3 in those games is his QBR is as follows for each game

    46
    15
    18
    59
    88
    63

    Not exactly tearing it up without him .

    Now Don't make me post stats for how the team does when Zeke is held in check they are worse. Zeke is the engine that makes the team run, not Dak been that way for 4 years and it will be that way this season too
     
  7. aria

    aria Well-Known Member

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    Lol. With everything shut down he’s been staying out of trouble, slow bashing times so far. Check out the Zeke tattoo thread, I got my 2 cents in :)
     
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  8. PAPPYDOG

    PAPPYDOG "It was a catchable pass" Zone Supporter

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    15 Str8 offensive Quarters without 1 single TD....IMPRESSIVE!!!!
     
  9. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Pay the kicker 35m per season, he deserves it!!
     
  10. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that’s a 6-game sample size.

    The stats from the article I posted cover every single play without Zeke over Dak’s entire 4-year career. All 64 games.

    I know it hurts.
    :thumbup:
     
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  11. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    What a relatively large percentage of the fanbase is looking for is a gunslinger in a top QB. A guy who is going to win shootouts with his arm in back and forth battles. That isn't Dak, at least so far. Dak has a lot of positive qualities in his durability, leadership, ability to avoid dumb throws, etc. OTOH, when he gets into a shootout, its just not his thing.

    A very distinct number of his wins are ones where the whole team grinds the opponent to dust and Dak plays a part in that. All of these topics about Dak are dancing around the same thing, IMHO.

    If Parcells was still around, Dak would be his guy. He is such a prototypical Parcells quarterback and he does what Parcells wants a QB to do in order to win. He is not a Don Coryell quarterback.
     
  12. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    You should know that you’re considered a joke here.
     
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  13. Reverend Conehead

    Reverend Conehead Well-Known Member

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    I want to pay the hot dog stand guy that. He deserves it, and it probably won't count toward the cap.
     
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  14. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    I know you were quoting without Zeke in the game...big deal, how often does that happen? and how often do the Cowboys win when Zeke is held in check? I haven't looked closely enough but i bet those stats you are talking about have come mostly in games where Zeke has excelled, not in games where he is held in check
     
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  15. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Zeke is a great back in his own right. My theory is just that his production can be replaced with 2 or 3 backs and the money saved can be used on someone like Jamal Adams.

    In THAT sense the team is better off without Zeke.

    But to say that Dak is actually better without Zeke is a little too rich for me.
     
  16. cowboygo

    cowboygo Well-Known Member

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    Would be interesting to see the sack rate when Zeke is on and off the field. His value comes in different ways as well. Dak's empty sets performance does boost that number up. I think the correct way to see it is when there is another RB in the backfield that isn't Zeke and compare those numbers. The volume of Dak and Zeke being together is a lot higher, which adds in a lot more 1st and 2nd downs and situations where we aren't necessarily trying to go for the homerun.
     
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  17. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    That fact was true the first 2.5 year of Dak's career when he lacked experience, scheme, or proper weapons to throw to. That has now changed. Starting the 2nd half of the 2018 season and the arrival of Cooper this is now Dak's team and the offense runs through Dak and the passing game. That was certainly obvious last year as Zeke struggled the first half of the year yet the offense overall didn't.

    And really the times where Garrett forced us to run the offense through Zeke last year and forced the run game is when the Cowboys had big problems. Only to let Moore open up the offense when we were down big and watch Dak and the passing game go off in a comeback attempt. Jets and Packers games in particular come to mind. I think a troll like you would refer to that as "garbage time"?
     
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  18. Cowboy Lover

    Cowboy Lover Well-Known Member

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    LOL..so that's what this is about?

    And you give yourself 2 cents for THAT? I'd say you ran up some debt.
     
  19. Cowboy Lover

    Cowboy Lover Well-Known Member

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    We also left zeke on the bench when we need him. That one idiotic pass play to our fullback sticks in my craw hard. The "feed me" thing is silly but it's real. Zeke heats up later tin the game and after 15+ carries. It's been a fact with him since at least tOSU.

    I agree with you, the addition of Cooper made Dak better more confident leader of this team. But he STILL needs what Zeke brings...and not just the easy hand off. He's a great dump off with LOT's of YAC and first downs. He'll block D linemen...not just a blitzing safety.

    This is the case that I just don't trust stats. Why wouldn't a QB rating BE better when Zeke is out and it's obvious passing situations? Sincere question I'm not an expert like everyone else here.
     
  20. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    This is what happens when you don't fully read something. What is it that you don't understand about what I said?
     

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