Dak at 38 Million vs Tom Brady at 30 Million

[Sandyf]

Never, never going to happen. Geez people at least make it about someone with at least a 1 percent chance of happening.

 

[Corso]

Never, never going to happen. Geez people at least make it about someone with at least a 1 percent chance of happening.

C'mon... it has 2 percent chance.
You're just pessimistic.

 

[conner01]

The smartest move for the Cowboys is to Franchise Dak with the transition tag. This will let us all know what his value really is. If another team wants to pay him $38 million, we can either match it, or get two first round picks. If we choose the latter, you bring in a guy like Brady or Rivers for two years and draft your future QB with one of those number 1's.

It tells you nothing about his value because of the picks
Very, very few QB’s in the nfl would bring two picks and their first contract

 

[HungryLion]

Dak’s cap hit will be nowhere close to 38. Nowhere close.


People need to understand the difference between AAV and the realities of NFL contracts and how they’re structured.

If Dak signs an extension. The cap hit will be low for the first year or two.

 

[jaythecowboy]

The long term answer is you draft.

I would rather use high draft picks to improve the rest of the team.

 

[joshjwp]

Neither

 

[zrinkill]

Jeebus ...... Cowturd changes his mind like Jerry smacks his lips

 

[Jake]

I don't hate this idea.

 

[DandyDon52]

the reAl deal would have been to try aND get both brady and bellichick here instead of MM, and tell
dak he can stay and bkup tom, for 10mil a year, and if he wanted to try FA let him and get another bkup.
Then the next 2 years would probably be SB years.
But jones boys heard bells with mike so here we are.

Brady might come here, but Tenn or chargers is more likely, or he stays with NE if they get him some decent
weapons on offense.

 

[SackMaster]

Tom Brady, the guy who played with possibly a historically good defense in 2019, and still one of the best HCs of all time could not get a first round bye in a division that had two of the worse teams in the NFL? Then to top it off, was bounced because he lead an offense that only scored 13 points against the Titans in the WC round?

The same Tom Brady that completed UNDER 56% of his passes in 7 of his last 8 games, including playoffs?

The same Tom Brady that despite having the absolute best average starting field position in the league was only able to throw 24 TDs?

The same Tom Brady that played with a Defense that was #2 in total takeaways and that easily had the best turnover differential in the league and could only rank 18th in the NFL in points per drive?

Yep, that's the guy I want leading a team. GREAT call.


If you want to play the "what if" game, at least pick a QB that is not already falling off the cliff (Brady) or is likely to spend more time in the tub than on the field(Brees).

JMHO

 

[JW82]

You need some explanations. Normally as the years go by on a contract the cap hit goes down but on your example it's doing the complete opposite and goes up. If you're counting bonuses, those are averaged out over the life of the contract and don't continue to climb. Then the Cowboys aren't going to put the majority of Prescott's pay in the form of bonuses - that gives the Cowboys no, zip, nada protections.
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You need some explanations. The Sign on is distributed over the length of the loan. 10m per season. Saving the big nut for the back end of the contract but not guaranteeing it, allowing the player to be the highest paid QB on paper, but all that matters is the guaranteed money in reality. This allows the team to get out if they wanted to after the 5th season, and only have the 10 mil in dead money on the cap in year 6 from the bonus. The base increases each year, that is pretty standard. Those cap hits, are lower than what the Franchise tag would cost the team

 

[shabazz]

Brady is just about done, and Dak is not worth anything above 30 mill. 2 bad choices.

and we still need to fix the defense. Neither Dakota nor Brady can elevate this team to a SB........neither is currently at Mahomes ability

 

[gjkoeppen]

You need some explanations. The Sign on is distributed over the length of the loan. 10m per season. Saving the big nut for the back end of the contract but not guaranteeing it, allowing the player to be the highest paid QB on paper, but all that matters is the guaranteed money in reality. This allows the team to get out if they wanted to after the 5th season, and only have the 10 mil in dead money on the cap in year 6 from the bonus. The base increases each year, that is pretty standard. Those cap hits, are lower than what the Franchise tag would cost the team

I can tell by your verbiage that you really don't know what you're trying to talk about. First off it's not a loan it's a contract. Second as the years pass and then salary portion each year rises, that doesn't add to possible dead money. Now if you're saying that Prescott's salary and entire contract is going to be guaranteed, the last time and only time the Cowboys fully guaranteed an entire contract was Aikman's second contract. The Cowboys will not fully guarantee Prescott's contract so those escalating salaries won't be counted as possible dead money. Third, all of the bonus money is spread out equally over the life of the contract so as each year passes the amount of possible dead money goes down not up. Now if Prescott finally signs a deal and it's for 5 years I'm sure the 1st 2 seasons, possibly the 3rd but doubt it, salary will be guaranteed and make it look good on paper but in reality the Cowboys aren't going to release Prescott in the 1st 2 seasons anyways. The only reason they put that in the contract is so the player can say that he got some guaranteed money.
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[Silverz1972]

The qb market is getting saturated. Almost every team has a decent qb now.

I would sign Winston to 5 years, 100 million and spend the money on defense. Let’s eat some W’s.

 

[HungryLion]

Tom Brady, the guy who played with possibly a historically good defense in 2019, and still one of the best HCs of all time could not get a first round bye in a division that had two of the worse teams in the NFL? Then to top it off, was bounced because he lead an offense that only scored 13 points against the Titans in the WC round?

The same Tom Brady that completed UNDER 56% of his passes in 7 of his last 8 games, including playoffs?

The same Tom Brady that despite having the absolute best average starting field position in the league was only able to throw 24 TDs?

The same Tom Brady that played with a Defense that was #2 in total takeaways and that easily had the best turnover differential in the league and could only rank 18th in the NFL in points per drive?

Yep, that's the guy I want leading a team. GREAT call.


If you want to play the "what if" game, at least pick a QB that is not already falling off the cliff (Brady) or is likely to spend more time in the tub than on the field(Brees).

JMHO

Good post



I think Brady is the GOAT personally.

but Father Time is and always will be undefeated.

I think Brady is physically just not the player he once was. His body is failing him now.

 

[starfan1]

and we still need to fix the defense. Neither Dakota nor Brady can elevate this team to a SB........neither is currently at Mahomes ability

why do you bring up Mahomes as often as you do hes not available and probably is a once in 10 year talent. KC got extremely lucky. Im not certain what chicago saw in Mitch to pass on the guy . I seen this old article boy if hindsight was 20/20

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-trubisky-leads-qb-class-lacking-elite-talent

for the record the defense does need fixed but we dont need a Mahomes to win

 

[Bullflop]

No doubt about it -- Brady and the Dallas uniform look like they were made for each other. Trouble is, the 1st year would be a gradual learning experience and the 2nd might be his last. It's tempting, though, no doubt at all.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Massive win-win from a marketing perspective. Gives Brady the Cowboy fan base, gives Tom and Jerry (now that's funny) the biggest story in the league the next couple of years.

And IMO, the only thing Brady has left to accomplish in his career is a SB w/o Hoodie.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The smartest move for the Cowboys is to Franchise Dak with the transition tag. This will let us all know what his value really is. If another team wants to pay him $38 million, we can either match it, or get two first round picks. If we choose the latter, you bring in a guy like Brady or Rivers for two years and draft your future QB with one of those number 1's.

Me likey. That's the ideal scenario.

 

[js66]

Was listening to this on his podcast. This is a fantastic idea if Dak plays hardball. Jerry should push all his chips to the center of the table and go all in. We all know he doesn't have a ton of time left.


Obvious Brady isn't Brady from 10 years ago, but you'd have a hard time finding an NFL GM that would rather go into the playoffs with Dak over Brady. Maybe with one of the shakiest Olines in the league you'd want the Dak mobility, but that's nowhere near the case here. A proven winner, probably the biggest winner in the history of the NFL vs never seen an NFC championship? Brady's slipped but he's leaps and bounds better than Dak on the mental side of the game and I'd give him the edge in multiple other categories as well.

Can you get a mid first for Dak? I'd take that, but lets say you can get a 1st and a 2nd. You have Brady on a two year deal with 2 first's, 2 seconds and your third. 1st round future QB (maybe Herbert slips?), 1st round safety, 2nd round TE, 2nd round corner, 3rd round Dlineman… However you want to play it. Brady > Dak and you get an additional 1st and 2nd??

Any chance you can coax Gronk out of retirement for another run with Brady? Belichick was wearing Gronk out, he wasn't enjoying the game any more. Brady and no Belichick? Biggest stage in the league to promote yourself? Maybe Gronk comes back.

People trash Brady for some of his numbers last year but he played with Edelman and absolutely no one else to throw the ball to... He somehow got a 34 year old Edelman 1000+ yards when everyone knew the ball was going that way. After that the next WR had less than 400 yards.... Phillip Dorsett. This was with the NE Oline.

I think Cooper and Gallup are both way better than Edelman at this stage in his career. I'd probably take Cobb over the 34 year old version of Edelman as well. Who knows, if you added Gronk mid season? All that with the Dallas Oline replacing the NE one and add Zeke?? This is a massive upgrade over what Brady was working with last year.


It's not like we have Mahomes and we're considering Brady.... We have a QB that most unbiased people would rank outside of or just on the cusp of the top 10 QB's who wants a long term $35+ million dollar deal. You can lock in Dak with an immovable contract for 4-5 years or you can sign a 2 year deal with the greatest QB of all time for less with little to no long term commitment. Even the biggest Dak fans have to admit this idea has some merit to it.