Dak beat GB in post-season, Dallas’s defense lost it

[rnr_honeybadger]

your expectations that the offense should score every time they have the ball? if they don't its then garbage?

No, the expectation is that the offense
1. Does not disappear for large parts of the game
2. Does not turn the ball over multiple times a game
3. Actually compliments the defense instead of putting it in a bad spot.

We call it garbage time stats because by the time they start this scoring run they are already so deep in the hole that they are never going to dig out of it or requires an incredible combination of luck and low football IQ on the part of your opponent (see Atlanta) to get over the hump. You won't win many games playing this way and that is essentially how the offense played in the first part of the season. You saw the same sort of disappearing and inconsistent play from the offense in 2018 as well, same thing when they lost to GB in the playoffs where they turned the ball over early and got into a hole then tried to come back. It is a guarantee that you don't win against better teams by doing that. Just see the Cleveland Browns this past weekend or the Saints - they lost because they turned the ball over and against really good teams you cannot survive that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The first half was run dominant one by Zeke They scored on the first drive because Zeke ran it 4 out of 7 times and Linehan got Cooper in the slot on a quick pass that he took to the house for 29 yards.

Then Dak threw it 3 of 4 times, giving the ball right back to the Rams,

Then Dak threw it 2 out of 3 times after Zeke ran for 5 yards on first down, Dak giving the ball back to the Rams.

Then Dak sacked himself for a loss of 8 yards to end a drive putting them completely out of field goal range. This was after Zeke touched the ball 4 times, including taking a short pass 12 yards and another 15 yard run. Zeke touched the ball 4 out of 9 times.

Thr point being, the only reason we were successful on ang of our drives, is because Linehan went Zeke dominant and this, despite Linehan’s predictability to run on first.

And to start the third they went three and out again after Dan threw it twice after Linehan predictably ran Zeke on first again.

Then it was 23-7 with a game dominated by Dak passing to three and out drives, while our defense, while giving up yards was still holding to a TD score while Dak led passing drives were giving the ball right back to the Rams.

And of course Dak’s stats were padded against soft defense down 30-15 in the fourth.

interesting....

your first sentence... "he first half was run dominant one by Zeke They scored on the first drive because Zeke ran it 4 out of 7 times and Linehan got Cooper in the slot"...you name the players and the coach...how about Dak making the throw...nope, not a mention

your second sentence....same coach, same other players..."Then Dak threw it 3 of 4 times, giving the ball right back to the Rams"...so it wasn't linehan calling wrong plays or anything like that....,

same with your 3rd, 4th sentences...and Dak Sacked himself...interesting choice of words, Dak drops back...Dak is rushing off the edge, dak spins, Dak chases him down, Dak sacks Dak...is that how it went down LOL...

and its extremely extremely interesting you are leaning on Linehan for your defense....I mean Linehan who the whole NFL was laughing at because of his predictable, unimaginative play calling, so that the players had to ignore his play call and do their own play...that Linehan..

you are sad...really sad

 

[Proof]

Dude stop your defending Dak posts all while looking up at your ceiling smiling at your Dak poster. It's become so pathetic and sad at this point that perhaps you should seek counseling or a 12-step Dak detox program.


Dallas Cowboys Regular Season Record with Dak Prescott as the starting QB (4-1/3 years): 42 Wins 27 Losses .609 Win %

Dallas Cowboys Postseason Record with Dak Prescott as the starting QB (4-1/3 years): 1 Win 2 Losses (ZERO Championship Game Appearances)


Buffalo Bills Regular Season Record with Josh Allen as the starting QB (3 years; 44 of 48 games): 28 Wins 16 Losses .636 Win %

Buffalo Bills Postseason Record with Josh Allen as the starting QB (3 years): 2 Wins 1 Loss (1 Championship Game Appearances)



So in a nutshell Josh Allen has a better win %, won more playoff games, and been to more Championship games in 3 years than Dak has in his 4-1/3 years.......and Dallas had better talent but remind me again how Dak is just such a great QB.

weird post

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

weird post

Not so weird if you pause to think about this without the rose colored glasses.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No, the expectation is that the offense
1. Does not disappear for large parts of the game
2. Does not turn the ball over multiple times a game
3. Actually compliments the defense instead of putting it in a bad spot.

We call it garbage time stats because by the time they start this scoring run they are already so deep in the hole that they are never going to dig out of it or requires an incredible combination of luck and low football IQ on the part of your opponent (see Atlanta) to get over the hump. You won't win many games playing this way and that is essentially how the offense played in the first part of the season. You saw the same sort of disappearing and inconsistent play from the offense in 2018 as well, same thing when they lost to GB in the playoffs where they turned the ball over early and got into a hole then tried to come back. It is a guarantee that you don't win against better teams by doing that. Just see the Cleveland Browns this past weekend or the Saints - they lost because they turned the ball over and against really good teams you cannot survive that.

the average team, good teams score about 10-14 points in a half, give or take. in about 5 drives, meaning scoring about 2 drives. there are many times a team scores once in a half...I can give you many many many examples....and lets not forget that this same offense has many many many examples of scoring a lot in the first half....is your expectations the offense should score 17-21 points in a half? is that realistic?

Zeke has to fix his fumble issues. I agree. he is the highest paid RB, then he needs to play like one and not fumble like he does, at times untouched.....

and the defense should stop giving up 200+ yards of rushing per game. that's not on the offense. that's on the defense. simple....nothing the offense does is going to get the defense to stop their sucky rush defense.

and at the end....when it all came down to it. we were either ahead (GB playoff) with a minute to go or within one score with a few minutes to go.....last I checked all scores count the same anytime during the game. they are not weighted by quarter. so can't we just also say, hey defense, 3 minutes to go..make a freaking stop....

this year alone , they gave up 200+, 200+, 300, 300+ rushing yards in 4 games...that's a 1000 yards of rushing, in 4 games..... seriously dude...they were on pace to give up the most points ever in NFL history, 36+ points per game.....but they bounced back against a bunch of scrub back up QBs at the end of the year and just made Dallas history by giving up the most points....

you still are going to defend the defense? you are grasping at straws in the middle of hurricane in atlantic ocean....what are your chances?

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

you still are going to defend the defense?

I'm not defending the defense. I'm saying that your offense is just as much to blame as the putrid defense. If you have a bad defense then turning the ball over and putting said bad defense on the field to try and stop a team with a short field is how you end up 20 points in the hole before the half.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Why do people act like QBs win games by themselves?

Troy Aikman played 16 playoff games. Only once did an opponent score 30 or more points. He lost that game.

Dak has played 3 playoff games. Twice the opponents scored 30 or more points. He lost both games.

Even a HOF QB like Troy needed a defense to win big games. Staubach never won a playoff game where the opponent scored 30+, either.

And yet, some expect Dak Prescott to do it.

no no no no no, you don't understand...when we lose, the QB loses it by himself, only if his name is Dak...when we win its Zeke, Cooper, Gallup, Linehan (HAHA), Moore, OL, the guy in row 43 seat 430D, the wind outside, the blue car in the parking lot, the vendors in section north D......everything but the QB, except if they are not named Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

....because if he wants to be the highest paid player on the team then he damn well better lead this team to greatness.....and he has yet to do that and never will.

Brees was highest paid player on their team the past 10 years...no greatness
Rodgers was highest paid player on his team the past 10 years...no greatness
Watson is the highest paid player on his team...he wants traded...no greatness
Wilson is the highest paid player on his team...no greatness (except when he has the best defense and Lynch).

your point?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm not defending the defense. I'm saying that your offense is just as much to blame as the putrid defense. If you have a bad defense then turning the ball over and putting said bad defense on the field to try and stop a team with a short field is how you end up 20 points in the hole before the half.

its a combination, but to say they didn't score every drive and keep up offensively is wrong. plain wrong. like I said, teams get 4, 5 chances in a half to score. if they score twice and get 10-14 points, that's good. assuming you score 28 pts per game, then that's about average.....KC averaged 28 pts per game in 2019 when they won the superbowl....and assuming 9-10 possessions per game.....that's scoring on 4 possessions (I know I am not being exact, with field goals, etc. and it varies from game to game).....

and defense should have similar expectations....our defense doesn't....this defense was bad in several key areas, like turnovers, 1st down conversion, QB pressure and sacks.....this year they were horrendous the first 3/4 of the season defensively couldn't stop anyone. we gave up 200, 200, 200, 300, 300 yards rushing in 5 games. that's 1200 yards. no team has ever won a game giving up over 200 yards rushing in a game.

and they only got better because they played against back up QBs......otherwise against starting QBs, they were down right awful.....

the defenses job is to make stops. give the ball back to the offense. keep the other team to average of less than 100 yards rushing. force them to kick field goals instead of TDs.....this defense was bad.

 

[Proof]

Not so weird if you pause to think about this without the rose colored glasses.

sorry, lemme take em off right quick.
Yup. Still weird. Remove your cape.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

KC averaged 28 pts per game in 2019 when they won the superbowl

KC didn't have the bad defense that we did.

 

[plasticman]

Dak didn't beat the Packers, he tied them. If the Cowboy defense had held, there would have been an overtime.

Many seem to forget that if the Cowboys came from behind by 18 points it wasn't just the offense that kept scoring, it was the defense that kept holding.....until a miracle throw by one of the best QB's in history.

Still, the point is that Dak never let them quit. He was and has always been their leader. He is the starting QB for the Cowboys. If Dak had never been hurt then the Cowboys might still be playing.

With those receivers, Dak would have had a very successful season and the team would have certainly been more inspired. This season saw a lot of challenges and obstacles for this team and when Dak went down you could tell it shook the team.

I am already excited about next season and I think we will see them go in the right direction with Dak behind the center and a much improved defense.

 

[USArmyVet]

Brees was highest paid player on their team the past 10 years...no greatness
Rodgers was highest paid player on his team the past 10 years...no greatness
Watson is the highest paid player on his team...he wants traded...no greatness
Wilson is the highest paid player on his team...no greatness (except when he has the best defense and Lynch).

your point?

The fact that you claim that Super Bowl winning QB's like Brees, Rodgers, and Wilson equates to 'no greatness' is pathetic, even for your Dak loving mediocrity self.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The fact that you claim that Super Bowl winning QB's like Brees, Rodgers, and Wilson equates to 'no greatness' is pathetic, even for your Dak loving mediocrity self.

again, you are writing off Dak's career after 4 years.

How long did it take Brees to win a superbowl?
How long did it take Rodgers to win a superbowl?
well, we know watson is a 4 win team QB
Wilson hasn't won anything since he lost the defense and Lynch. hasn't been able to carry the team

so lets see if you know how to google some information

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

KC didn't have the bad defense that we did.

I agree, KC in 2018 was ranked 31st defensively and was bad in many major defensive categories, they gave up 26+ pts/game, I wish our defense was giving up 26 pts per game ...KC offense averaged 35 points per game...they never made it...imagine scoring 35 points per game and not making it..and they have Andy freaking Reid for their HC. a coach who took two separate teams to three straight Championship games....

and in 2019, the KC offense scored 28 pts per game and their defense was 15th. giving up 19 pts per game....they won the superbowl....imagine scoring 7 pts less per game and being better team

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak didn't beat the Packers, he tied them. If the Cowboy defense had held, there would have been an overtime.

Many seem to forget that if the Cowboys came from behind by 18 points it wasn't just the offense that kept scoring, it was the defense that kept holding.....until a miracle throw by one of the best QB's in history.

Still, the point is that Dak never let them quit. He was and has always been their leader. He is the starting QB for the Cowboys. If Dak had never been hurt then the Cowboys might still be playing.

With those receivers, Dak would have had a very successful season and the team would have certainly been more inspired. This season saw a lot of challenges and obstacles for this team and when Dak went down you could tell it shook the team.

I am already excited about next season and I think we will see them go in the right direction with Dak behind the center and a much improved defense.

all dallas D had to do is make a stop and go into overtime with the momentum clearly on their side. we even had them deep starting at their own 25. we gave up two big plays of 17 and on a 3rd and 20 gave up a 32 yard play allowing them to kick a field goal.....

defense gave up 28 points in the first 3 quarters...that's not holding. in the 4th quarter, they made stops and offense made a comeback.

with that said. Dak was a rookie. going toe to toe with rodgers. how many times have we thrown accolades at Rodgers and his ability to lead a team on a comeback win. now, we spin it and say that the team making a comeback is over rated...there is no satisfying the cowboys crowd. they want, demand total dominance from the first drive through the end of the game, culminating in complete annihilation of the opposing team. anything less is considered garbage time.

 

[Big D]

Did anybody see where our Elite QB was for the 1st 3 Quarters of the Vikes game?

Only 7 pts in 3 Quarters of football.
And this bum wants 40 million a year?


Final
1 2 3 4 T
BUF 0 13 10 3 26
DAL 7 0 0 8 15

Here's the thing, our opponents have a defense and a professional one at that. Very few offenses can come out and immediately dissect the defense but you have 4 qtrs to do so. If you look at the final offensive output and conclude that it's the sole reason for losing then your only seeing 1/2 of the picture.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Here's the thing, our opponents have a defense and a professional one at that. Very few offenses can come out and immediately dissect the defense but you have 4 qtrs to do so. If you look at the final offensive output and conclude that it's the sole reason for losing then your only seeing 1/2 of the picture.

4th Quarter Dak ain't cutting it.......
Next, please!

 

[USArmyVet]

again, you are writing off Dak's career after 4 years.

How long did it take Brees to win a superbowl?
How long did it take Rodgers to win a superbowl?
well, we know watson is a 4 win team QB
Wilson hasn't won anything since he lost the defense and Lynch. hasn't been able to carry the team

so lets see if you know how to google some information

Rodgers actually won the Super Bowl in his 3rd year as a starter (playoffs 8 of the last 10 years since)...Brees his 8th year as a starter (playoffs 7 of the last 11 years since).....and since his Super Bowl win in 2013 Wilson has led Seattle to the playoffs in 6 of the last 7 seasons. As for Watson, he has actually had talent removed from his organization as opposed to Dak who has been given talent year after year.

No worries though as for some of you your Dak love runs so deep that no counter point will ever break through your wall of denial.

 

[Big D]

4th Quarter Dak ain't cutting it.......
Next, please!

I'm sure Jerra will get right on that for you!