Dak > Brady (since Amari)

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If Dak had a Head Coach like belichek, he would have 2 rings already .

or not

 

[Stash]

like I said....Dak needed a top 5 WR and #1RB just so he can have comparable stats to Brady.....Brady had Edleman a slot WR....

give Cooper and Zeke to Brady and he will double those stats....seriously dudes

Nobody is denying that. But we're talking about actual stuff that happened.

 

[HungryLion]

like I said....Dak needed a top 5 WR and #1RB just so he can have comparable stats to Brady.....Brady had Edleman a slot WR....

give Cooper and Zeke to Brady and he will double those stats....seriously dudes

Have you watched Edelman play? Have you seen his production in the league? Calling him just a slot WR and saying that like it means he isn’t a legitimate threat in the passing game is just wrong.

You must have also forgotten the hall of fame Tight end that plays with Brady.

You must have also forgotten the first round running back that New England had last year.


Again, Yes of course Brady is better than Dak. But pretending Brady doesn’t have high quality talent around him is just nonsense. Just absolute nonsense. The patriots roster is full of talented players. Those talented players are also as well coached as any in the league thanks to having the best HC of all time running the show.

Brady has plenty of help.

 

[lukin2006]

Who won the super bowl last year? Also, you are comparing a 6 time SB champion, future Hof'r and the greatest of all-time to a 24-year-old QB with 1 playoff win...

And Brady is on the plus side of 40...

 

[Stash]

no. he went 1-9 on 3rd downs....that's even worse

And still managed to outperform all of his counterparts in the playoff games he's been in?

There's nothing "worse" than getting steamrolled all day long and gashed for nearly 300 yards on the ground while getting 0 sacks. That's criminal abuse. "Hot Boyz" my ***!

 

[Stash]

yeah. lets give Dak Edleman and Sony Mitchel and lets see how he does? we know that answer, its the first 8 games pre-cooper.

Sure thing. You waste your time and energy playing fantasy football in real life. The rest of us will deal in what really happens.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Patriots had more rushing yards than the Cowboys last season LMAO
And that's with Dak being a runner, and Brady being a statue.
So a veryyyyyy flawed point to say the least.

And no Brady eidnt "beat the Rams" with 13 points. The Patriots beat the Rams.

true, but they also had more attempts....their avg/rush was 4.3 vs cowboys 4.5....they had about 70 more yards, probably because they were ahead in a lot of games and running the clock out, as compared to cowboys who had to come from behind even for a lot of their wins and would often abandon the run as a result.....

 

[Stash]

Who won the super bowl last year? Also, you are comparing a 6 time SB champion, future Hof'r and the greatest of all-time to a 24-year-old QB with 1 playoff win...

And Brady is on the plus side of 40...

No, we're comparing those numbers during that period of time, nothing more.

Amazing that people continue to not be able to understand that.

 

[HungryLion]

yeah. lets give Dak Edleman and Sony Mitchel and lets see how he does? we know that answer, its the first 8 games pre-cooper.

And Rob Gronkowski and James White?

Do you even watch the patriots play?

They are all very talented and extremely well coached players.

 

[Doomsday101]

Will not waste time comparing Dak to anyone, what I will say is when given a #1 WR Dak was able to get this offense going and help lead them to a 7-1 to finish reg season. People love to knock him as for me I think the kid is a winner and look forward to watching him grow as an NFL QB.

 

[Stash]

true, but they also had more attempts....their avg/rush was 4.3 vs cowboys 4.5....they had about 70 more yards, probably because they were ahead in a lot of games and running the clock out, as compared to cowboys who had to come from behind even for a lot of their wins and would often abandon the run as a result.....

"True, but?"

You get taken to the woodshed and totally schooled and all you can say is "true, but"?

 

[pansophy]

I'm not saying he IS Brady. I'm saying - and these stats show - that for the period of time he had Amari Cooper, he had better overall more stats than Brady did. That's all that I'm - and this thread - are saying.

And that's highly encouraging.

He actually didn't and Dak would get far less flack if people stopped trying to compare him to Brady, Bress, and Rodgers.

Brady's Total 'air' Expected Points Added (EPA) from week 9 to the end of the regular season was 8th (158.6) while Dak's 'air' EPA was 17th (113.3). Incidentally, Rodgers who had a 'bad' statistical year was 2nd (201) in EPA the second half the year.

Dak plays conservatively which is why he has more attempts and less yards than Brady. Sure he has good efficiency numbers (the stats shown) but he misses throws due to his accuracy issues that probably forces him to play more conservatively. The two INTs he threw in the endzone that both times he tried to lob into the wide open WR only to have the defender come back underneath to intercept come to mind. He only throws those lobs because he is worried he is going to miss them if he tries to place on the spot firmly.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Have you watched Edelman play? Have you seen his production in the league? Calling him just a slot WR and saying that like it means he isn’t a legitimate threat in the passing game is just wrong.

You must have also forgotten the hall of fame Tight end that plays with Brady.

You must have also forgotten the first round running back that New England had last year.


Again, Yes of course Brady is better than Dak. But pretending Brady doesn’t have high quality talent around him is just nonsense. Just absolute nonsense. The patriots roster is full of talented players. Those talented players are also as well coached as any in the league thanks to having the best HC of all time running the show.

Brady has plenty of help.

yes, I have watched him play. Brady makes him great....welker was a nobody before brady. was great with brady and then a nobody again...Brady somehow makes these WRs look great.....you ever thought of that? we know Cooper was great before he got to dallas.

and yes, the HOF TE that was injured most of the year..... you forgot that? All we have heard is that Dak played with injured players on the team and on the OL.....

yes, Sonny Mitchel was a first round RB....not in the same league as Zeke a potential HOF RB....also Dak played with 4 1st and 2nd round OL men last year...…

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

true, but they also had more attempts....their avg/rush was 4.3 vs cowboys 4.5....they had about 70 more yards, probably because they were ahead in a lot of games and running the clock out, as compared to cowboys who had to come from behind even for a lot of their wins and would often abandon the run as a result.....

Dak vs Brady is the reason our yards per carry was higher. 4.1 compared to 1.5 ypc. And them have 5 more rushing TDs also lowers their ypc vs ours.

Wait so now you understand that teams run the clock out when they are up, so when you were claiming we win when Zeke runs over X yards you now know how silly an argument that is and it was a product of circumstance and not the reason for the winning?

I'm proud of you little bro. Recognizing your wrongs and learning from them. That's all I was trying to help you do the entire time. Kudos!

 

[HungryLion]

No, we're comparing those numbers during that period of time, nothing more.

Amazing that people continue to not be able to understand that.

It’s hilarious that instead of people saying “wow our 3rd year QB when given talent around him, can perform at such a high level”. Rather we get nitpicking and them coming up with every reason possible to tear it down.

We even have people who feel the need to downplay the level of talent on THE PATRIOTS. The best team in the league for the past decade with be best head coach of all time and a roster full of talented and well coached players. But posters feel the need to try and downplay all their ability, just to justify their stupid argument against Dak.

It’s lunacy man.

 

[HungryLion]

yes, I have watched him play. Brady makes him great....welker was a nobody before brady. was great with brady and then a nobody again...Brady somehow makes these WRs look great.....you ever thought of that? we know Cooper was great before he got to dallas.

and yes, the HOF TE that was injured most of the year..... you forgot that? All we have heard is that Dak played with injured players on the team and on the OL.....

yes, Sonny Mitchel was a first round RB....not in the same league as Zeke a potential HOF RB....also Dak played with 4 1st and 2nd round OL men last year...…

Gronk on one leg is better than all of our TE’s last year put together. Did you remember that?

You’re full of crap. The patriots offense has a lot of talent on it. You’re just throwing out bull crap to justify your stupid argument.

You’re really trying to argue that the cowboys are a more talented and better coached team than the patriots? LOL.

Hilarious.

 

[Stash]

He actually didn't

"Didn't" what exactly?

and Dak would get far less flack if people stopped trying to compare him to Brady, Bress, and Rodgers.

Tell that to those who try to tear him down. They're the first ones to make the comparisons, except when the numbers look like this.

Brady's Total 'air' Expected Points Added (EPA) from week 9 to the end of the regular season was 8th (158.6) while Dak's 'air' EPA was 17th (113.3). Incidentally, Rodgers who had a 'bad' statistical year was 2nd (201) in EPA the second half the year.

"Expected Points Added"? Nobody cares. Leave the pretend stats to the nerds.


And yeah, Rodgers actually scored less real touchdowns than Dak did in 2018. Real stats you can look up.

 

[Stash]

It’s hilarious that instead of people saying “wow our 3rd year QB when given talent around him, can perform at such a high level”. Rather we get nitpicking and them coming up with every reason possible to tear it down.

We even have people who feel the need to downplay the level of talent on THE PATRIOTS. The best team in the league for the past decade with be best head coach of all time and a roster full of talented and well coached players. But posters feel the need to try and downplay all their ability, just to justify their stupid argument against Dak.

It’s lunacy man.

They only succeed in making themselves look bad, and indicting their own credibility.

Nothing more.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

come on another stat comparisons...


OK, Dak needed a top 5 WR and Zeke, the best RB in the NFL to just be equal to brady....in the mean time Brady had Edleman.

what do you think Brady would have done if he had Cooper and Zeke? we know the answer to that...he had Moss for one year and they set an all time record offensively and went undefeated in the regular season..

again, in the meantime, Dak has #1 RB and top 5 WR and he can only muster stats that equal to Brady with average players around him.

Dak needs strong supporting cast to be any good. Brady lifts the players around them and makes them better.


this was a dumb post

Dak needs a MIRACLE to even be in the same stadium as Brady......jeez goofy post for sure for sure!

 

[Stash]

Dak needs a MIRACLE to even be in the same stadium as Brady......jeez goofy post for sure for sure!

There are few things we can count on in life, the sun rising and setting, death, taxes, and you trying to take shots at Dak Prescott without a shred of proof or substance behind it.