Dak can silence haters by having a good regular season and playoffs

[BlueStar22]

Dak has to win the Super Bowl to quiet the haters. There ain't no silencing them.

 

[Buzzbait]

Welcome to CZ. If you think it's "interesting" now just wait until he throws his first interception.

Uh Oh, MELT DOWN!!

 

[Ranching]

Yeah but according to some, that was because he wore his cap backwards.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Having a good regular season where he plays in at least 15 games, has a TD to int ratio of 5-1 or better and throws at least 27 TDs. Then goes on to start every postseason game with at least that ratio and averaging at least 250 yards per game (with no critical turnovers). Also he would need to win SB MVP with at least 300 yards passing with at least 2 TD passes and no turnovers in a winning effort.

Just in case you were thinking it’s impossible. That is what would do it. For every single Cowboys’ fan-including his most staunch detractors. Let’s hope he pulls it off. What would everyone talk about then? Everyone would be even more geared up for the following season.

Let us build barges to each other and not divide us, the most hated fanbase according to a recent poll.
Good lads, Dak will, deservably, prosper as a bus driver. Chaps, the problem remains Dak's his crisis management. Jerald has two really good TEs as Dak's security blanket. If I were Ceedee i'd buy me a big steak and wonder if 2-TE sets will give him fewer touches in 2023.
We have too much talent at TE. I canna imagine Jerald not wanting to target Fergie and Schooner all day.

 

[RonnieT24]

I've never seen a single Cowboy fan here on CZ hate on Dak. I have seen some be critical of his play. There's a huge difference. Stop labeling criticism as "hate." The two are very different things. Dak made awful decisions that cost his team the game the last two times he's played the 49ers in the playoffs (not that he was the only one who played poorly). Anyone who is saying, "Well, I love him, so I'm not going to criticize anything he did" is being ridiculous.
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So, to answer your question, no, it won't silence any haters because there isn't anyone here who hates him. Those who have criticized his poor play will be like, "This is awesome! He's playing great now."

Much as I admire the attempt at a reasoned response, you have to have been reading with your eyes closed not to see it. It's okay to acknowledge that there are extremes among us. There are those for whom Dak can do no wrong just as there are those for whom Dak can do no right. It avails us nothing to deny reality. There is a certain segment of every fan base that is comprised of plain old garden variety idiots. There is nothing to be done about them except to ignore them as best we can and come in and enjoy choppin it up about our favorite football team. Win or lose, that's what this site is for. At least to me. A place to revel in the victories and commiserate in the losses amongst friends without having to buy a single watered down drink or plate of terrible bar nachos or risk a DUI gittin home. But none of that changes the fact that there are people on this site that hate our own players. Yes perhaps hate is too strong a word for the most part, but I don't believe for one second that such people don't exist. Again, the idiot factor must be accounted for in all groups of people. Sadly this forum is not immune.

 

[CowboyRoy]

dak could throw interceptions the whole game and not score a point and there would be defenders saying, "dak didn't have anybody to throw to so he threw it to the opposing team", "The offensive line didn't hold the line for 5 minutes like all the rest of the NFL quarterbacks get"

BWAAAAAA!!!!!

Always the exaggerations and folly to make a point.

When we say Dak threw for 300 yards and had 5 TD's against Brady you site the bad team. But when we play against the #1 defense in the NFL on the road with only Zeke, the quality of the team doesnt matter anymore.

Best part is you predicted Cowboys would only win 7 games total last year and we would lose against both the Bucs and the Niners.

Then you act like Dak should have cruised to victory and willed them to the SB. LOL

 

[Blitzen]

Just a quick aside-which you may already understand. Using names to describe an opposing perspective is just a simple tactic to avoid an actual discussion.

No one that actually uses terms like “hater, whiner, Debbie downer” is attempting to argue their viewpoint with the person they are describing. They are just using the term to provoke and push the argument to the side.

Remember that “hater” is synonymous with critic, but used to demean the critic and in turn their viewpoint. Anyway, I still feel like with the stats and awards I specified in the OP-Dak would win all or next to all Cowboy’s fans allegiance.

 

[DogFace]

Oh, I get that. But you may have noticed that me and @MountaineerCowboy may disagree with folks but we NEVER insult other posters. We merely voice an opinion and move on.

Thats not my MO. Because I don’t take things personally…….just observe and report

and I should know…..Mountaineer is my burner account

I’m pretty sure it was you that had a great line once. Someone was making Dak haters lists and you replied “why am I always left off these lists?” You have humor and aren’t a one subject poster.


Don’t compare yourself to that embarrassment. Ever.You’re a long time member with nuisance in your content. He’s either a fan of another team here to irritate, troll, and indirectly insult members or is obsessed to the point of concern.

He has 10’s of THOUSANDS of posts about Dak. Easily 90% of his posts are about Dak.
That’s the M.O. of a weirdo.

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[DogFace]

Just a quick aside-which you may already understand. Using names to describe an opposing perspective is just a simple tactic to avoid an actual discussion.

No one that actually uses terms like “hater, whiner, Debbie downer” is attempting to argue their viewpoint with the person they are describing. They are just using the term to provoke and push the argument to the side.

Remember that “hater” is synonymous with critic, but used to demean the critic and in turn their viewpoint. Anyway, I still feel like with the stats and awards I specified in the OP-Dak would win all or next to all Cowboy’s fans allegiance.

I disagree. It’s a descriptive word that basically says someone is unjustly upset with a subject or overly concerned. That they’re (in some cases) unable to see any other point of view and facts don’t matter.

Here’s how it pertains to the Dak hater group:

When he started his career he was just a bus driver incapable of high statistical production because he was no good.

Then when he was doing things like leading the league in passing and having other successes statistically he was surrounded by so much talent that it was impossible not to succeed AND OR his stats were in garbage time and against bad teams,

Now it’s that he can’t win “when it matters”.

That’s “hate”. Not literally hate, but how it’s used in modern vernacular to describe irrational criticism.

 

[khiladi]

Some of you guys are nuts.

Post after post focused on other fans. Calling things out that haven't even happened.

Guaranteed you don't even begin to see the blatant hypocrisy.

Embarrassing.

Dak is defended by his zealots based upon “what-ifs”…. Now these folks are saying his f haters are looking for his first INT to criticize him, yet his zealots went off on how “elite” he was in training camp and how much more in control he looks because Moore isn’t here. The irony always escapes them.

Dak’s career here has not been marked jisf by failing in the play-offs, like he’s a regular season wonder, every year he consistently has among the absolute worst stretches of play of any QB in the league. In 2017, when Zeke was suspended he was absolute trash. Without Amari, he couldn’t throw for even 200 yards a game despite the OL and still sucked against zone. I’m 2019, after a fast start with Moore calling the plays, he went into a complete tailspin and Dallas was one of the worst teams on 3rd down for almost a third of the season. In 2020, he had 7 TOs in 4 and a half games and if Atlanta fell on the ball properly, he would have not on a single game. In 2022, he was a walking pick 6.

His failure in the play-offs is just the inevitable conclusion of a guy whose warts one sees during these stretches and how they are hidden by a talented roster and an offense that has been tailored to his “skill set” for 8 years now. Any average QB given this much baby-sitting can perform average in such situations.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Much as I admire the attempt at a reasoned response, you have to have been reading with your eyes closed not to see it. It's okay to acknowledge that there are extremes among us. There are those for whom Dak can do no wrong just as there are those for whom Dak can do no right. It avails us nothing to deny reality. There is a certain segment of every fan base that is comprised of plain old garden variety idiots. There is nothing to be done about them except to ignore them as best we can and come in and enjoy choppin it up about our favorite football team. Win or lose, that's what this site is for. At least to me. A place to revel in the victories and commiserate in the losses amongst friends without having to buy a single watered down drink or plate of terrible bar nachos or risk a DUI gittin home. But none of that changes the fact that there are people on this site that hate our own players. Yes perhaps hate is too strong a word for the most part, but I don't believe for one second that such people don't exist. Again, the idiot factor must be accounted for in all groups of people. Sadly this forum is not immune.

I agree that there are some unreasonalbe people here, a small number of them. However, even with them, I don't think being unreasonable is the same thing as being hateful. Some people do have some unreasonable expectations. Some people expect the team to never draft a player who turns out as a bust. Some people expect the quarterback to never throw a pick. However, IMO most of the criticism of Dak's poor play in the two recent 49er playoff games has been reasonable, IMO.
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I was critical of Jerry's contract with Dak, not because I hate Dak, but because I was afraid of too much money being spent on one player hamstringing the team, making it unable to sign high talent at other positions. But I can assure you, I don't hate Dak. I think he's an awesome human being whom I can relate to. I want him to succeed, but I'm not going to lie if I think the team is making a mistake or if Dak played a bad game. I'd rather be honest about that than come in here to CZ and lie to people. I respect the people here too much to do that.

 

[Captain-Crash]

BWAAAAAA!!!!!

Always the exaggerations and folly to make a point.

When we say Dak threw for 300 yards and had 5 TD's against Brady you site the bad team. But when we play against the #1 defense in the NFL on the road with only Zeke, the quality of the team doesnt matter anymore.

Best part is you predicted Cowboys would only win 7 games total last year and we would lose against both the Bucs and the Niners. 49

Then you act like Dak should have cruised to victory and willed them to the SB. LOL

um the niner did win. lol

 

[Blitzen]

I disagree. It’s a descriptive word that basically says someone is unjustly upset with a subject or overly concerned. That they’re (in some cases) unable to see any other point of view and facts don’t matter.

Here’s how it pertains to the Dak hater group:

When he started his career he was just a bus driver incapable of high statistical production because he was no good.

Then when he was doing things like leading the league in passing and having other successes statistically he was surrounded by so much talent that it was impossible not to succeed AND OR his stats were in garbage time and against bad teams,

Now it’s that he can’t win “when it matters”.

That’s “hate”. Not literally hate, but how it’s used in modern vernacular to describe irrational criticism.

That is kinda my point. There are people like the poster that explained before me that are entirely unreasonable with expectations for this team. There are irrational critics aplenty.

The word hater is used because it was derived from hate. Several people use the term to avoid what they perceive as unjust criticism. You get to condescend to the other person and their viewpoint without solely engaging the topic. You don’t see people saying “you are being irrationally critical” because it does not convey the contempt they feel for the other person. Though some people use homer in the same way.

 

[RonnieT24]

I agree that there are some unreasonalbe people here, a small number of them. However, even with them, I don't think being unreasonable is the same thing as being hateful. Some people do have some unreasonable expectations. Some people expect the team to never draft a player who turns out as a bust. Some people expect the quarterback to never throw a pick. However, IMO most of the criticism of Dak's poor play in the two recent 49er playoff games has been reasonable, IMO.
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I was critical of Jerry's contract with Dak, not because I hate Dak, but because I was afraid of too much money being spent on one player hamstringing the team, making it unable to sign high talent at other positions. But I can assure you, I don't hate Dak. I think he's an awesome human being whom I can relate to. I want him to succeed, but I'm not going to lie if I think the team is making a mistake or if Dak played a bad game. I'd rather be honest about that than come in here to CZ and lie to people. I respect the people here too much to do that.

Criticism of poor play after a loss is absolutely reasonable. However it crosses the line when it becomes one player's "fault" we lost. Yes we COULD have won those games if Dak played better. But we also COULD have won in 2021 if the defense could stop the run or in 2022 if Diggs isn't out there making business decisions instead of breaking up that pass to Kittle. Or if Sam Williams isn't getting a couple of boneheaded penalties. Or if Pollard doesn't get hurt.. And lest we forget, if Kellen Moore's paint by numbers offense isn't completely deciphered by the better DCs in the league. Or if Philbin and Moore would have thrown away the run plays where they don't block the defensive end. There is always plenty of blame to go around when the team loses. And Dak deserves his share. Great defenses make offenses look bad. They held the Eagles to 121 yards passing in last year's NFC Championship game despite getting no help from their offense after Purdy went down. They made Stafford look bad for most of the NFC Championship game in 2021.. They made Mahomes look like a chump for most of the Super Bowl in 2019. People need to get off this kick that "we gotta get rid of Dak because he looked bad against the 49ers." Pretty much all QBs look bad against the 49ers. Some just get more help than others. If somebody else steps up and scores one measly TD in either of those games are we talking about how Dak played?

 

[starfan1]

Criticism of poor play after a loss is absolutely reasonable. However it crosses the line when it becomes one player's "fault" we lost. Yes we COULD have won those games if Dak played better. But we also COULD have won in 2021 if the defense could stop the run or in 2022 if Diggs isn't out there making business decisions instead of breaking up that pass to Kittle. Or if Sam Williams isn't getting a couple of boneheaded penalties. Or if Pollard doesn't get hurt.. And lest we forget, if Kellen Moore's paint by numbers offense isn't completely deciphered by the better DCs in the league. Or if Philbin and Moore would have thrown away the run plays where they don't block the defensive end. There is always plenty of blame to go around when the team loses. And Dak deserves his share. Great defenses make offenses look bad. They held the Eagles to 121 yards passing in last year's NFC Championship game despite getting no help from their offense after Purdy went down. They made Stafford look bad for most of the NFC Championship game in 2021.. They made Mahomes look like a chump for most of the Super Bowl in 2019. People need to get off this kick that "we gotta get rid of Dak because he looked bad against the 49ers." Pretty much all QBs look bad against the 49ers. Some just get more help than others. If somebody else steps up and scores one measly TD in either of those games are we talking about how Dak played?

Ya they will because its suits their agenda. Their agenda is not team orientated its 1 player orientated.

 

[DogFace]

That is kinda my point. There are people like the poster that explained before me that are entirely unreasonable with expectations for this team. There are irrational critics aplenty.

The word hater is used because it was derived from hate. Several people use the term to avoid what they perceive as unjust criticism. You get to condescend to the other person and their viewpoint without solely engaging the topic. You don’t see people saying “you are being irrationally critical” because it does not convey the contempt they feel for the other person. Though some people use homer in the same way.

Ok. You make a good point.

Though, without verbal cues, facial expression, and tone of voice it’s harder to communicate as effectively here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just a quick aside-which you may already understand. Using names to describe an opposing perspective is just a simple tactic to avoid an actual discussion.

No one that actually uses terms like “hater, whiner, Debbie downer” is attempting to argue their viewpoint with the person they are describing. They are just using the term to provoke and push the argument to the side.

Remember that “hater” is synonymous with critic, but used to demean the critic and in turn their viewpoint. Anyway, I still feel like with the stats and awards I specified in the OP-Dak would win all or next to all Cowboy’s fans allegiance.

This is exactly what you are doing here. You certainly can label every "critic" as a derogative and shut down any further discussion. You're doing essentially that as you have labeled a behavior and denounced it wholesale. Of course people that do that can still argue on merits as well.

I personally believe and in some cases know that accounts that are posting here are not singular nor are they fans of the team. They misrepresent themselves in order to amplify their message by repeating it on multiple accounts and to straight out irritate people. There are several academic studies outlining the behavior.

This should not be a surprise. With a post count in the tens of millions, this place is one of the biggest forums on the web. Most of the traffic at this forum is from one subforum. If you know how to spoof an IP, the mods can basically do nothing to prevent you from doing the above. This place is near ideal for that type of behavior.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Criticism of poor play after a loss is absolutely reasonable. However it crosses the line when it becomes one player's "fault" we lost. Yes we COULD have won those games if Dak played better. But we also COULD have won in 2021 if the defense could stop the run or in 2022 if Diggs isn't out there making business decisions instead of breaking up that pass to Kittle. Or if Sam Williams isn't getting a couple of boneheaded penalties. Or if Pollard doesn't get hurt.. And lest we forget, if Kellen Moore's paint by numbers offense isn't completely deciphered by the better DCs in the league. Or if Philbin and Moore would have thrown away the run plays where they don't block the defensive end. There is always plenty of blame to go around when the team loses. And Dak deserves his share. Great defenses make offenses look bad. They held the Eagles to 121 yards passing in last year's NFC Championship game despite getting no help from their offense after Purdy went down. They made Stafford look bad for most of the NFC Championship game in 2021.. They made Mahomes look like a chump for most of the Super Bowl in 2019. People need to get off this kick that "we gotta get rid of Dak because he looked bad against the 49ers." Pretty much all QBs look bad against the 49ers. Some just get more help than others. If somebody else steps up and scores one measly TD in either of those games are we talking about how Dak played?

I agree with everything you wrote. I think what you describe is part of a tendency to give the quarterback most or all of the credit if the team wins, but then to also give him most or all of the blame if they lose. In reality, the whole team is responsible for both the wins and losses. Recently I've been watching old Cowboy games from the 60s and 70s. What I noticed now, but didn't back when I was a kid, was how important the defense was for winning those games. The main thing I had remembered as a kid was the amazing plays made by the likes of Roger Staubach and Drew Pearson. However, even in the miracle games, the offense would not have been in a position to win without the incredible job the Landry defenses did.
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I do want Dak to play better in the playoffs than he's done the past two seasons. However, it's absolutely fair to say that those playoff losses weren't 100 percent on him. He wasn't the only player who didn't play his best.

 

[NotForLong]

Then turned around and said this to this post:

acr731 said:
The best way Dak can silence his critics around here is to leave the team. Get cut, traded, retire - either one is fine with me and will definitely shut me up.



Which one is it he can get your respect with play or do you just want him gone no matter how he plays?

He cam get respect with His Play but it has been i years and I have yet to see it . . . His presence on the team has destroyed the fan base and He needs to be gone once and for all

I have no faith in him at all. . . . If He is who you say He is He will shine this year but I do not believe it. . . I think it will be more of the same . . . Everyone else will get the blame when he does fail

 

[Jarntt]

Which one of you is Bill Myers...