Dak deal: Dummy years

[J-man]

How do you figure he is "capable of winning"? He's got ONE playoff win over 4 healthy years in spite of having one of the top 2 or 3 supporting casts in the NFL, and he plays in the worst division in the NFL. What has he won?

It's quite obvious that Dak is a capable NFL QB, to deny this is just inaccurate and based on what? That he isn't A Aron or Patty? At any given time, including now, history shows that there are usually only 1-3 elite QB's in the NFL. Those guys are very rare and usually just happened upon almost accidentally.
After those guys you typically have a group of 4-8 guys that are very good and capable of winning games in this league. When you have one of those guys, you don't throw him away hoping to get one of the ultra rare guys.
Dak is in that group whether you want to admit it or not. Everything I've seen from him and how the team does with and without him, tells me he is. I have seen nothing that tells me he isn't.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Ahhhhhh.... the name calling is starting early today.

Up and early...rise and shine...

 

[atlantacowboy]

It's quite obvious that Dak is a capable NFL QB, to deny this is just inaccurate and based on what? That he isn't A Aron or Patty? At any given time, including now, history shows that there are usually only 1-3 elite QB's in the NFL. Those guys are very rare and usually just happened upon almost accidentally.
After those guys you typically have a group of 4-8 guys that are very good and capable of winning games in this league. When you have one of those guys, you don't throw him away hoping to get one of the ultra rare guys.
Dak is in that group whether you want to admit it or not. Everything I've seen from him and how the team does with and without him, tells me he is. I have seen nothing that tells me he isn't.

I've seen Dak pile up a lot of stats trying to play catchup and I haven't seen him beat many good teams. QBs are judged by playoff success. Why should Dak be judged by yards piled on?

 

[J-man]

Thats what you have to do unless you have a truly transcendent QB like Mahomes or Brady. Its about cap dollars and I can't believe the NFLPA hasn't addressed QB salaries. This is not a free market. There is a cap and QB salaries should be capped as a % of the teams salary cap. Then you can spread the wealth a little bit. The league is very top heavy with the top 10% earning most of the money.

Disagree that it's what you have to do. To me this is a new trend just starting to gain legs. It may be the wave of the future but I don't like it one bit. Agreed that this it's out of control, and should be addressed.
But the reality is that this is true with society as a whole, 10% controls 90% of the $ in this world.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Disagree that it's what you have to do. To me this is a new trend just starting to gain legs. It may be the wave of the future but I don't like it one bit. Agreed that this it's out of control, and should be addressed.
But the reality is that this is true with society as a whole, 10% controls 90% of the $ in this world.

Its not new at all. Its the same formula used by Seattle, LA, and Philly get to the super bowl. It worked for KC winning a super bowl with Mahomes on a rookie deal. Buffalo and Cleveland have improved their teams tremendously with their rookie contract Qbs. Its pretty obvious that unless you have Brady, the QB outplaying his rookie contract is the way to go. Look at what happened to Seattle, LA and Philly after they signed their Qbs to big contracts. LA and Philly have unloaded theirs and Seattle is trying to unload Wilson b/c they can't win without the cap resources to pay a defense and get some roster depth.

 

[Risen Star]

Every year you pay Prescott is a dummy year.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Every year you pay Prescott is a dummy year.

At least you're persistently consistent, RS.

 

[ghst187]

This seems like the new pattern to be successful in NFL. Take a rookie QB anytime you're near the top of the draft so you don't have to pay him a real QB salary and hope he's good enough to win with a stacked team around him. If not, start over again in a couple years.
Sad

took the Browns like four decades with that process...

 

[Brax]

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/.amp...s-and-did-jerry-win?__twitter_impression=true

The only Dummy in this deal was Jerry.

 

[J-man]

I've seen Dak pile up a lot of stats trying to play catchup and I haven't seen him beat many good teams. QBs are judged by playoff success. Why should Dak be judged by yards piled on?

Think about all the QB's, that are still active or in their primes, that are considered to be "good" in today's NFL. Brady, Mahomes, Rogers, Wilson, Mayfield, Watson, Cusins, Allen, Stafford, Ryan, Goff, Wentz, Murry, Jackson, Carr etc...
I'm not saying I agree with this list but the consensus is there about them being "good" NFL QBs. And I'd take Dak over all but 4 of those names.

What have most of them done? The more tenured starters like Ryan, Wilson, Cousins and Stafford have been, with the exception of Wilson, for the most part hit and miss during their careers and haven't really done anything outstanding let alone "win". The others are newer guys that may or may not amount to much in the way of future success on the field. They certainly haven't done it yet.

Take off the ultra rare "elites" and I'd say Dak is better than almost all of them, with a couple of exceptions that can be debated. Wilson being the obvious is better is at this point. And than guys like Allen, Watson and Jackson that may or may not be.
Dak is right there in the top QBs in the league.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep, and very little cap space to get there. J-Ville with Trevor Lawrence on a rookie deal and 90M in cap space in a deep free agent market has a much better chance than we do over the next 3 years.

Dallas is spending 15.5 mill less than had they placed franchise tag and the following year 33.2 mill again much less than the 37 mill. Cowboys will have space to bring in FA and yes they likely will restructure some deals but then all teams do to work around the cap. Meantime this also falls in line with the cap increase with the new tv network deals that will be put in place which will increase the cap substantially

 

[darthseinfeld]

.......so this thread is about voidable years in Daks contract. There is a link in the OP. Lets talk about that

 

[Creeper]

If this report is true, then we can expect to see some expensive players on the roster traded or cut in 2022 and 2023.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If this report is true, then we can expect to see some expensive players on the roster traded or cut in 2022 and 2023.

Before year 3, they will likely negotiate a 3rd contract. Those years won't matter in that case. If not we likely move on, which will signal a rebuild. In which case the dead money wont matter much if at all

 

[atlantacowboy]

Think about all the QB's, that are still active or in their primes, that are considered to be "good" in today's NFL. Brady, Mahomes, Rogers, Wilson, Mayfield, Watson, Cusins, Allen, Stafford, Ryan, Goff, Wentz, Murry, Jackson, Carr etc...
I'm not saying I agree with this list but the consensus is there about them being "good" NFL QBs. And I'd take Dak over all but 4 of those names.

What have most of them done? The more tenured starters like Ryan, Wilson, Cousins and Stafford have been, with the exception of Wilson, for the most part hit and miss during their careers and haven't really done anything outstanding let alone "win". The others are newer guys that may or may not amount to much in the way of future success on the field. They certainly haven't done it yet.

Take off the ultra rare "elites" and I'd say Dak is better than almost all of them, with a couple of exceptions that can be debated. Wilson being the obvious is better is at this point. And than guys like Allen, Watson and Jackson that may or may not be.
Dak is right there in the top QBs in the league.

I don't see the talent you do. I'm looking at Dak throwing the ball , his pocket awareness.......he is not elite. He has elite talent around him. If you want to strip down what he is as a QB, look at him before Amari arrived. He struggled to break 200 yards passing. He scrambles into pressure. He has trouble in the red zone. He is an average starting QB and not worth what we paid. Proof of that will be next year when we again are unable to advance as a team.

 

[J-man]

Its not new at all. Its the same formula used by Seattle, LA, and Philly get to the super bowl. It worked for KC winning a super bowl with Mahomes on a rookie deal. Buffalo and Cleveland have improved their teams tremendously with their rookie contract Qbs. Its pretty obvious that unless you have Brady, the QB outplaying his rookie contract is the way to go. Look at what happened to Seattle, LA and Philly after they signed their Qbs to big contracts. LA and Philly have unloaded theirs and Seattle is trying to unload Wilson b/c they can't win without the cap resources to pay a defense and get some roster depth.

It is still relatively new, when Seattle stumbled upon the formula it was 2014, that's not too many years ago. Teams have been chasing it ever since, with very limited and varied success. So far some teams have improved while underpaying their rookie QBs and adding talent around them, but most still haven't won anything meaningful and the long term success certainly hasn't been there doing this. Excluding Seattle and it appears that KC may be the latest exception, having stumbled upon the apparent greatness of Mahomes.

I'd say that Dak absolutely out played his rookie contract, did he not? And all of those teams who have QB's that outplayed their rookie deals either paid or will pay their QB's. Ultimate success hasn't been the norm, but teams will continue to put faith in their guys once they have one in the hopes that they will allow them to add their names to the very short exceptions list.

 

[Longboysfan]

Because we gambled on a guy we know is capable of winning instead of gambling on an unknown guy out of the draft.
You can be and should be mad at the amount of $ he got, I'm definitely not thrilled about it either. But the issue isn't how much Dak got, it's that QB's are getting so much. Regardless of who it is, the market dictates what their value is.
Dak is now the #2 highest paid QB behind St Patty, but the next good QB to sign will leap from him and the next will jump him and so and so on.
Don't be mad at Dak, be mad at the system

So three years from now Dak may not be in the top 10.l

 

[blueblood70]

they are actually voidable years called ghost years its still 4 years but appears to be 6 years, the only reason they say 3 because that would be the last year before he will be in his last year of the contract and can sign him again before he becomes FA because he has no trade clause and not FT clause. Therefore the time to negotiate again is after year 3 ...

Dak won it all didnt concede on single thing cant believe he got those clauses put in and the money..lets hope hes now motivated to prove his worth vs satisfied hes set for life regardless of his on field accomplishments

 

[Rayman70]

they are actually voidable years called ghost years its still 4 years but appears to be 6 years, the only reason they say 3 because that would be the last year before he will be in his last year of the contract and can sign him again before he becomes FA because he has no trade clause and not FT clause. Therefore the time to negotiate again is after year 3 ...

Dak won it all didnt concede on single thing cant believe he got those clauses put in and the money..lets hope hes now motivated to prove his worth vs satisfied hes set for life regardless of his on field accomplishments

its good for Dallas too.

 

[J-man]

I don't see the talent you do. I'm looking at Dak throwing the ball , his pocket awareness.......he is not elite. He has elite talent around him. If you want to strip down what he is as a QB, look at him before Amari arrived. He struggled to break 200 yards passing. He scrambles into pressure. He has trouble in the red zone. He is an average starting QB and not worth what we paid. Proof of that will be next year when we again are unable to advance as a team.

Never said he was elite. That's my point entirely. Almost all QB's in the league are not elite. He's not elite, but IMO, removing the 3 "elites" from the equation, he is above the average of what's in the league now and is quite capable of winning plenty of football games. You don't throw away the good capable QB you already have, blinding praying to find an elite one elsewhere. If it was that easy everyone would do it.