Dak deal: Dummy years

[Winonesoon]

Awesome. i don't care about jerry's money. How ever they need to stroke the deal to manipulate the cap is cool. I'm like every other fan and just want some room to take advantage of the spill over that will be this off season.

 

[MiddleStar]

His contract averages 40M a year. Thats 21.6% of the teams cap. You are using the team friendly cap number for this year which just kicks the big cap hit down the road a year. We have a one year window and then we have to start shedding player contracts to pay Dak. You think we can compete for a super bowl next year?

This formula has worked nowhere.

It is actually a two year window, by my estimate this is what the contract looks like:

2021: SB 13.2 Base: 9 Cap: 22.2
2022: SB 13.2 Base: 25 Cap: 38.2
2023: SB 13.2 Base: 26 Cap: 39.2
2024: SB 13.2 Base: 34 Cap: 47.2
______________________________ Voids
2025: SB 13.2 Base: 34 Cap: 47.2
2026: SB 0 Base: 34 Cap: 34

Dead money on 2025 Cap: 13.2

There is an escalator somewhere in there that can add 4M (guessing it is a bonus for winning the SB).

The 2025 & 26 salaries can be anything as the contract will void by that time and he will never see it. It is just filler to make the contract look bigger than it is.

The reason it is a two-year window, is after next season they are going to turn the base into a bonus, say 20 million. That will spread the 20 out over 5 years, and why this had to be a 6 year contract, so that 6th year can hold this new proration.

New figures will be this:

2021: SB 13.2 Base: 9 Cap: 22.2
2022: SB 13.2+ 4 Base: 5 Cap: 22.2
2023: SB 13.2+4 Base: 26 Cap: 43.2
2024: SB 13.2+4 Base: 34 Cap: 51.2
______________________________ Voids
2025: SB 13.2+4 Base: 34 Cap: 51.2
2026: SB 0+4 Base: 34 Cap: 38

Dead money on 2025 Cap: 13.2+4+4= 21.4

Before the 2024 season I expect another contract (extension) to be done, probably lowering the 2024 cap. The 2025 & 2026 bonus prorations will have to remain for those years, along with the new proration of the new contract, so 2025 will likely have 3 signing bonus amounts attached to it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

yeah a small # of players are getting all the big money, the other players need to speak out on that to nflpa, or maybe they are so dumb
they dont realize what is happening.

On cowboys, 5 players get half the cap, the other half is for all the other players lol, which would be around 48? thats is like 2 mil a year for
the bulk of the team on avg.

Exactly. I've looked around the league and its very common for the top 8-10 players on the roster to make 50-75% of the teams cap number. What holds us back is we aren't getting the production out of our top 10. We paid Tyrone Crawford 10M last year and Anthony Brown 5M. Jaylon Smith is sucking down another 10M. We have a RB making hitting the cap for 15M and getting us 4.0 YPC. Its a clinic on how to mismanage your cap dollars.

 

[dogunwo]

He's got ONE playoff win over 4 healthy years in spite of having one of the top 2 or 3 supporting casts in the NFL

Why do fans only think about one side of the ball? Everyday there are posts talking about how the defense has been awful for years. If that's true, then its a gross exaggeration to say his supporting cast has been top 2 or 3.

 

[Section446]

Sweet! So only 3 more years of 8-8.

 

[J-man]

His contract averages 40M a year. Thats 21.6% of the teams cap. You are using the team friendly cap number for this year which just kicks the big cap hit down the road a year. We have a one year window and then we have to start shedding player contracts to pay Dak. You think we can compete for a super bowl next year?

This formula has worked nowhere.

And you'e basing that % on the current cap, which isn't going to accurate either. You'll never admit that this isn't a completely terrible deal because you just don't like Dak and don't want him to be the QB, period. Ok, who else is leading this team to a superbowl ring anytime soon?

 

[atlantacowboy]

Why do fans only think about one side of the ball? Everyday there are posts talking about how the defense has been awful for years. If that's true, then its a gross exaggeration to say his supporting cast has been top 2 or 3.

I'm talking specifically about the offense. We know Dak is a mediocre Qb without pro bowl level talent at the skill positions on offense. Jerry is only interested in paying WRs and RBs b/c he's perpetually trying to recreate the offense Jimmy Johnson built. The defense has always been an after thought.

The question is if you couldn't build the defense with Dak making 4th round money, how do you build it with him making 40M? IMO, Dak was the wrong priority this offseason.

 

[atlantacowboy]

And you'e basing that % on the current cap, which isn't going to accurate either.

Over the life of the contract, averaged over 4 years, its going to be much closer to 20% than 12%. It doesn't matter anyway b/c he's not worth 12 or 20% of the cap. This isn't a super bowl team we are trying to hold together.

 

[J-man]

Over the life of the contract, averaged over 4 years, its going to be much closer to 20% than 12%. It doesn't matter anyway b/c he's not worth 12 or 20% of the cap. This isn't a super bowl team we are trying to hold together.

We get it, you don't like Dak and you don't want him to be the QB, period. As I said no QB or player in any sport is worth this kind of $, but that's the market.
Because the truth is there isn't an alternative QB available that's any better and the deal isn't nearly is bad as you're trying to make it out to be. The cap will increase, the deal will get extended and elite QB's don't grow on trees.
Dak will be the QB for the next 4-8 years, you can keep crying about it or you can get over it and hope he does well.

 

[atlantacowboy]

We get it, you don't like Dak and you don't want him to be the QB, period. As I said no QB or player in any sport is worth this kind of $, but that's the market.
Because the truth is there isn't an alternative QB available that's any better and the deal isn't nearly is bad as you're trying to make it out to be. The cap will increase, the deal will get extended and elite QB's don't grow on trees.
Dak will be the QB for the next 4-8 years, you can keep crying about it or you can get over it and hope he does well.

I could care less if Dak makes 40M or $4. I care about the Dallas Cowboys getting back to a super bowl. So, I am going to be against any move I think doesn't get us closer to that goal.

 

[J-man]

I could care less if Dak makes 40M or $4. I care about the Dallas Cowboys getting back to a super bowl. So, I am going to be against any move I think doesn't get us closer to that goal.

well we want the same thing, and I'm all for any move that keeps us from getting further away

 

[eastsideboy]

Ahhhhhh.... the name calling is starting early today.

You shouldn't you be surprised. People who live there lives through athletes are all ways defensive. They have to protect "there guy". Maybe that's all they got. They forget it's just a game that strangers play. I becomes personal.

 

[silvernblu]

The years are voidable. The deal is three years. The other two are voidable years added to spread money. No matter if he resigns or doesnt, they will be voided

But the money is guaranteed. So if voided it is huge dead money.

 

[Nav22]

How do you figure he is "capable of winning"? He's got ONE playoff win over 4 healthy years in spite of having one of the top 2 or 3 supporting casts in the NFL, and he plays in the worst division in the NFL. What has he won?

You might be a donkey. One of the top 2-3 supporting casts?????

With this defense? And an OL completely decimated by injury last year?

 

[Denim Chicken]

It is actually a two year window, by my estimate this is what the contract looks like:

2021: SB 13.2 Base: 9 Cap: 22.2
2022: SB 13.2 Base: 25 Cap: 38.2
2023: SB 13.2 Base: 26 Cap: 39.2
2024: SB 13.2 Base: 34 Cap: 47.2
______________________________ Voids
2025: SB 13.2 Base: 34 Cap: 47.2
2026: SB 0 Base: 34 Cap: 34

Dead money on 2025 Cap: 13.2

There is an escalator somewhere in there that can add 4M (guessing it is a bonus for winning the SB).

The 2025 & 26 salaries can be anything as the contract will void by that time and he will never see it. It is just filler to make the contract look bigger than it is.

The reason it is a two-year window, is after next season they are going to turn the base into a bonus, say 20 million. That will spread the 20 out over 5 years, and why this had to be a 6 year contract, so that 6th year can hold this new proration.

New figures will be this:

2021: SB 13.2 Base: 9 Cap: 22.2
2022: SB 13.2+ 4 Base: 5 Cap: 22.2
2023: SB 13.2+4 Base: 26 Cap: 43.2
2024: SB 13.2+4 Base: 34 Cap: 51.2
______________________________ Voids
2025: SB 13.2+4 Base: 34 Cap: 51.2
2026: SB 0+4 Base: 34 Cap: 38

Dead money on 2025 Cap: 13.2+4+4= 21.4

Before the 2024 season I expect another contract (extension) to be done, probably lowering the 2024 cap. The 2025 & 2026 bonus prorations will have to remain for those years, along with the new proration of the new contract, so 2025 will likely have 3 signing bonus amounts attached to it.

I see a three year window. At least, that is how I would treat it. If your QB has not won by year 7 it's time to move on:

2021: SB 13.2 Base: 9 Cap: 22.2
2022: SB 13.2 Base: 20 Cap: 33.2
2023: SB 13.2 Base: 31 Cap: 44.2
2024: SB 13.2 Base: 29 Cap: 47.2

If no championship in the 3 year window, we release him in 2024. Remaining signing bonus will accelerate and we eat 26.4MM in dead cap for 2024.

 

[charron]

All 4 years are dummy years in this contract.

 

[jterrell]

Josh Allen just had a better year than any of Daks and lead his team to a conference title game. Lamar, Baker, and Kyler are going to have to make deep playoff runs to get anything close to Dak... Kyler is the most iffy of all of them.

Dak Prescott in 2019 was arguably better than any year of Josh Allen's career including this one outlier in 2020 which was very good.
Dak passed for more yards, more yards per game, more yards per attempt.
Allen fumbled it 3 more times than Dak to make the turnover battle edge to Dak as well by 2.

Best case it'd be a near dead heat.

But Dak Prescott did thew same thing in 2020 and was leading the league in both passing yardage and had Dallas leading in scoring offense.

Then you brought up dummy talk in playoffs.
Dak has a QBR of 95.7 with 0 fumbles in the playoffs.
Josh has a QBR of 87.4 and has fumbled twice.

Dallas never lost a playoff game because Dak wasn't good enough.
Twice now Buffalo has ran into a wall where Josh wasn't good enough.

Josh Allen will get paid Dak Prescott money in short order because that is the way that it works but he has not been better than Dak thus far.

Like Carson Wentz and Jared Goff before him you guys can now proclaim Allen better because he has a higher ceiling.
But the shifting narrative matters zero.
Dak is signed long-term and it is a done deal. Go cry about it.
Dallas is returning the top offense in the NFL.