Dak doesn't deserve comeback player of the year

[khiladi]

I understand that but forget that stat. If you don’t think it’s good then here’s another one. It’s all pointing to the same conclusion.

What is the definition of this referenced stat, if you have a reference.

Time to Throw is essentially meaningless on its own as a stat. As far as release time, Tom Brady was clocked at a ridiculous 2.1. That being said, the article states:

in fact, that 2.17-second average release is the fastest recorded by any quarterback in any gameduring the 2021 regular season or postseason.

As it happens, the NGS defines "quick passes" as ones released in 2.50 seconds or less, which is exactly Brady's average this year. "In rhythm passes" are thrown between 2.50 and 4.00 seconds and "extended passes" take more than 4.00 seconds to be released. On Sunday, 28 of Brady's 37 pass attempts fell into that "quick pass" category, and most of them were quite successful.

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-philadelphia-eagles-wild-card-playoffs-tom-brady-next-gen-stats

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

These guys say Burrow should get it, though Dak is second

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-comeback-player-of-the-year-award-voting-2021

 

[khiladi]

I understand that but forget that stat. If you don’t think it’s good then here’s another one. It’s all pointing to the same conclusion.

OK, I found a definition. The definition of pressure-yi-sack simply tells us how many of the pressures by the defense turned into sacks. This doesn’t measure, as far as I understand, Burrow is just more holding on to the ball more, it just means that Burrow got sacked more when he got pressured per whatever the definition was.

 

[khiladi]

What a dime by Ryan Fitzgerald.

He’s basically a better version of Dak, because his mechanics don’t suck. Both rely heavily on play action.

RF basically proved that a dominant RG is what made the Cowboys relevant. You put Dak on Miami, they’d be even worse that with RG, because Dak is slow, has horrible mechanics and does all these weird hitches.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

Burrow does.

He turned the franchise around and already led the Bengals further into the playoffs than Dak did.

He does t deserve his salary either.

 

[Playmaker247]

OK, I found a definition. The definition of pressure-yi-sack simply tells us how many of the pressures by the defense turned into sacks. This doesn’t measure, as far as I understand, Burrow is just more holding on to the ball more, it just means that Burrow got sacked more when he got pressured per whatever the definition was.

Exactly. You’re essentially saying the same thing. The reason bengals give up so many sacks is because burrow is not good when it comes to turning pressure situations into non sacks. Just like the other QB’s at the bottom of the list like baker. Where as someone like Herbert is really good at it.

 

[khiladi]

Exactly. You’re essentially saying the same thing. The reason bengals give up so many sacks is because burrow is not good when it comes to turning pressure situations into non sacks. Just like the other QB’s at the bottom of the list like baker.

Or it could mean that he has plays that have more open free runners and they just don’t block well.

Baker’s OL coach is Bill Callahan.. The Browns have a top rushing attack to take the pressure off Mayfiekd and he sucks besides the fact he was playing with a torn labrum and another injury the whole season. The Bengals were like 19th in rushing attempts and 23 in yards.

 

[Playmaker247]

Or it could mean that he has plays that have more open free runners and they just don’t block well.

Baker’s OL coach is Bill Callahan.. and he sucks.

Well that’s the point of stats. They reality is it’s usually a combination of things. But we’re talking about a seasons worth sample size. Other QB’s have free rushers at them too. You aren’t going to be bottom 5 if it’s strictly because free rushers. This is a trend with him

 

[khiladi]

Well that’s the point of stats. They reality is it’s usually a combination of things. But we’re talking about a seasons worth sample size. Other WB’s have free rushers at them too. You aren’t going to be bottom 5 of it’s strictly because free rushers. This is a trend with him

The Bengals were 19th in rushing attempts and 23rd in yards.

The Browns were 9th in attempts and 4th in yards.

One was wearing down the defensive front rushing the ball, while the QB still struggled, while the Bengals were 20th in passing attempts and 7th in passing yards.

It could mean Burrow was throwing the ball down field, while having no real rushing attack to take pressure off him. Thus the more time to throw, as well as more sacks.

 

[Playmaker247]

Well that’s the point of stats. They reality is it’s usually a combination of things. But we’re talking about a seasons worth sample size. Other QB’s have free rushers at them too. You aren’t going to be bottom 5 if it’s strictly because free rushers. This is a trend with him

This isn’t saying he’s not a damn good QB. He is. But he’s young and still struggles badly at avoiding sacks, getting rid of the ball, etc. His o line isn’t great but he makes them look worse. Sacks are mostly a QB stat. There’s a reason why dudes like Brady and Rodgers are always low I’m sacks even though they’ve been many different offensive lines through the years

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Burrow sacked for the 7th time this game and how many would some put on him for "holding the ball too long"?

 

[Playmaker247]

The Bengals were 19th in rushing attempts and 23rd in yards.

The Browns were 9th in attempts and 4th in yards.

One was wearing down the defensive front rushing the ball, while the QB still struggled, while the Bengals were 20th in passing attempts and 7th in passing yards.

It could mean Burrow was throwing the ball down field, while having no real rushing attack to take pressure off him. Thus the more time to throw, as well as more sacks.

You understand this is strictly about sacks right. Not other things. Baker isn’t good at anything. Burrow is really good at alot of things, getting rid of the ball isn’t one of those things.

 

[khiladi]

You understand this is strictly about sacks right. Not other things. Baker isn’t good at anything. Burrow is really good at alot of things, getting rid of the ball isn’t one of those things.

Yiu don’t think the physicality of a running game wears down a defensive front and impacts sacks?

And again, why are the Bengals 20th in passing attempts and 7th in yards? Yes, he may hold onto the ball long, but that’s because they go downfield most likely.

Does that mean he can’t get better? No.. but to act likes it’s just him and the OL isn’t bad is absurd

 

[Playmaker247]

Yiu don’t think the physicality of a running game wears down a defensive front and impacts sacks?

And again, why are the Bengals 20th in passing attempts and 7th in yards? Yes, he may hold onto the ball long, but that’s because they go downfield most likely.

Does that mean he can’t get better? No.. but to act likes it’s just him and the OL isn’t bad is absurd

Ok and that’s the catch 22 of burrow wanting to throw it deep a lot. You get sacked more

 

[khiladi]

Ok and that’s the catch 22 of burrow wanting to throw it deep a lot. You get sacked more

and it shows why he’s a better QB than our QB despite his first full season as a starter and is in the second round

 

[Playmaker247]

and it shows why he’s a better QB than our QB despite his first full season as a starter and is in the second round

Bro I’m not trying to turn this into a Dak debate. The Dak stuff is tiring. I’m literally just talking about burrow man.

 

[shabazz]

I'm justing waiting for Pappy and Risen to give you a like! Lol

I won’t…..let’s see how it plays out…..I’ll be damned if ima give undue credit

 

[phildadon86]

Go back to my original post and show me where I said EVER has.

You're seeing things.

No I thought you were the post below yours. My bad.

 

[phildadon86]

Already led the Bengals further into the playoffs than Dak EVER did.

Daks been to the divisional round. Nice try.

 

[Ken]

Burrow does.

He turned the franchise around and already led the Bengals further into the playoffs than Dak did.

lol...i can't deal with fake fans like this.


It has nothing to do with that ..Literally no one said Burrow wouldn't come back from his routine knee injury.


Many questioned if Dak's career could be over.


This is not hard.