Dak is 4th in the NFL in Total QBR

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Never confuse "having a better season" with "being better." Up to this point Purdy has had a better season than Mahomes. It's not inconsistent to say that. There are 9 games left for it all to shake out. What I don't understand is how Allen is still at the top of this rating. All them damn turnovers have doomed his team on more than one occasion. What else is he doing to offset those?

I....have no idea.

Hence me saying this list would mean nothing to me. I'll just use my own eyes and modest football knowledge to judge for myself.

 

[starfan1]

Again....star....that wasnt really my point. He said theres been no good qbs the last two years. Not true....cj killing it.

As far as drafting....even when we did have a spot we havent drafted high since...88-9?

Hmmmmm...intetesting.

ya they wasted it on some running back in 16. I kid lol. youre right they are not ones to do it.i wonder why

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Nav22 I so enjoy you're battles with these " people" keep it up man. I can't do it. but you keep it up !!!!!!

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Crazy your guy Hurts is top 10 with how poorly he has played this year, I would think more like 20th. I guess it’s the rushing stats

If ur post starts with "your guy Hurts" I don't even read the rest....because it's coming from a non serious poster more concerned with internet fighting than having a legitimate football discussion...which is the only reason I come here. Don't waste my time

 

[DUO_CORE]

 

[5Stars]

Nav22 I so enjoy you're battles with these " people" keep it up man. I can't do it. but you keep it up !!!!!!

lmao...yeah, Nav22, fight all us "people" for CalvinTonyEmmittJulius, he can't fight his own battles. You go, Navster-22.

 

[BoysForLife]

Cool stats bro.
If I had been in a time warp, I still would have been certain we lost on Sunday, as Dak's sycophants are trumpeting his stat line incessantly.

 

[Redsfan_83]

What do 1, 4, 5 6 and 10 have in common? In particular 4 and 6 this year?

 

[TwentyOne]

I might challenge your assessment here.

All players from Mahomes to the last player on the worst team's practice squad have shortcomings. It is the coaching staff who are tasked with putting the player in his best light, and protecting him from being in a position to fail because of these issues. Obviously there are some players who do not have the skill set to rise to the level of excellence. But that is not the case here.

This team's success starts and ends at the offensive line. No running lanes, and no pass protection in a consistent basis is why you see losses like the one this past Sunday.

I am not a stats guy, per se. I somewhat agree with your comment because I think stats can make Charles Manson look like Mother Teresa. But there is an aspect of the yardage Dak throws for and its concordance over time which indicates, with protection and a competent core of players at the skill positions, he can deliver.

If for no other reason, his rookie year indicates when you put the right guys around him, and give him protection, he can drive the ship.

I agree with you that the success of a team starts with the big boys up front. Offense and defense line.

I do disagree that our offense has a pass protection problem or as you wrote "no pass protection on a constant basis".

A big problem of our QB is that he is not able to use the protection of the OL to his advantage (he has no feel for the pocket). He also loses control quick when feeling the slightest form of pressure. That makes the OL look bad. But they are not. In fact they a a good one in pass protection.

Have a look at this list where you can compare sacks/hurries/knock downs/blitzes Dak has faced to other QBs: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

You can see in most of the stats he is either at the bottom or in the midth of all QBs. Which means he faces way less pressure then the average QB in an NFL game.
An interessting column is the bitz column: compare him being blitzed to other (considered) good to great QBs. Se how often team are blitzing QBs who they consider being able to hurt them by passing the ball ? Dak is not being blitzed a lot. And this is not because he is so good against the blitz. You just dont blitz bad QBs. You take away the run fill up the secondary and dare them to beat you with the pass.

I agree with you that Dak has games (and a lot of them) where he has good looking stats. I think this is a combination of a lot of things: Playing against weak defenses (like the Eagles on sunday), having a great supporting ast over his whole career (great to good OL, great to good talent at the WR and RB position). IMO he also had very good offensive coordinators most of his career. Those knew his defencies and called pass plays that he is able to execute.

Stats have to be interpreted. Interpretation is the hard part. Indexes like QBR or else are simplifications that take a lot of important information out just to have a fast way to get a first look at a player. They are not useless, but they are far from being able to judge a player.

For instance all those QB indexes dont take into account what defense the QB played against. Well every Dak fan was so happy after sunday "Dak is back to his old self", "he played an awsome game" etc.... But against what defense ? I mean if he played against a high school defense and put up 500 yds and 6 TDs would you also say he played a great game ? Just because of those numbers ? Now is he a good QB because of that ?

Dak has a clean pocket a lot of times. He can do some damage when he has one, but that is no measurestick for a QB. Every NFL QB (well at least those who are medicore at least) will pick apart a defense when having a clean pocket and enough time. So this is not a good way to judge a QB. Its much more interessting and also much more important how he does under preassure and or when being blitzed.

Have a look at this listing: https://www.pff.com/news/qbs-in-focus-pressure-and-the-blitz
Look for those QBs who are considered good or great ones. Rodgers, Manning for instances and where you find them in the "under pressure" table. Just a sidenote: look where you find Tony Romo and you will understand why some here dont consider him a good QB.


A last thing: I try not to judge a QB during his first year - well, i try to, unless he is such a joy to watch like Mahomes for instance. I usually will find my judgement during his 3rd and 4th year. During the decades (25+ years) i followed the NFL defense coordinators always take one year to account fro a new QB. There may be a lot of reasons but the most important is i guess that they need a lot of tape about an QB to find out about his strengths and weaknesses. Then in the offseason they try to find ways to force him into his weaknesses.

I agree that Dak had a good first year. Especially for the QB he was known for comming out of college. But you have to admit that he was surrounded by what was considered a SB ready team. All there was left (opinion of our FO and coaches) was a stud RB. And they drafted him in Elliot. Yes you still have to perform. And Dak did. But that was his first season and long ago. Since then he has shown against most good defenses he cant perform against them. He may have a drive here or there, but on a constant basis - no. And dont start with bringing up the TB win in the last years playoff. TB was the monkey we had to get off our back. TB wasnt a good team that year. They were a team with a losing record during the regular season that snuck into the playoffs but in all seriousness had nothing to do in there.

 

[Praxit]

...hey, Dak working his to the top..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So why watch the game then? Just read your precious monday morning stats.

huh?
you thought you were clever, but this made ZERO sense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That isn't why I replied to you...you said this: ...I replied that isn't really true. CJ looks pretty strong.

looks strong. great!. Dak looks strong. and everybody is complaining.

most people on here are complaining about QB play not being perfect and keep bringing up Brady and Mahomes. which sounds like they want an elite QB, there is about 12 Good QBs. stroud is in that group. Purdy looked strong, until DCs got about a year's worth of tape on him and figured out how to control him. so until Stroud does it 2 years from now, I am not going to color him anything.

 

[DFWJC]

If we really want to use stats, then wait until very late in the year and use the players' combined ranking in

1) Total TD-Total Turnvover differencial
2) Total Standard Passer Rating

That result has yielded the league MVP 9 of last years (and the other winner was 2nd using this method)
It's always a good indicator of who had the best years, give or take a slot or two.

We're only halfway in right now.

 

[Ken]

This list is suspect when it has Josh "Turnover Machine" Allen listed as first.

So funny how Ints are inflated for judging a qb. Sure, if you have more Ints than TDs, like Jimmy G, you have a problem.

When you are 2nd in Td passes and halve half the ints that correlate to the most in the league, not nearly as big of a deal.

 

[McKDaddy]

it Is entertaining watching the same folks go “Stat Hunting” every week to see which one they can make yet another pro-Dakota thread with.

4 weeks ago the same ones that said that QBR is a ESPN “made up” stat when Dak was 18th, suddenly point it out as THE stat when he’s 4th……hilarious.

or he owns Philly ..... except for the times Philly had a legit team and actually wanted to win the game.

 

[Sarge]

And Purdy is 2……and Minshew is 8……………

 

[McKDaddy]

don't tell @Nav22 this, but he is one of my favorite posters

you enjoy his juvenile emoji's trying to act as though he has said something clever & insightful when it's mostly complete falsehoods that have been thoroughly proven to all but the densest?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

looks strong. great!. Dak looks strong. and everybody is complaining.

most people on here are complaining about QB play not being perfect and keep bringing up Brady and Mahomes. which sounds like they want an elite QB, there is about 12 Good QBs. stroud is in that group. Purdy looked strong, until DCs got about a year's worth of tape on him and figured out how to control him. so until Stroud does it 2 years from now, I am not going to color him anything.

It seems to me that some people want a STAND OUT moment....when he really dials it in. And LEADS this team ...to somewhere.

3 shots at san fran?

A lot of people point to 2022 Bucs playoff game as that defining moment. Against 8-9 losers bucs? No sir...that is not a defining moment. Played well against a bad team. Seen plenty of that.

Here's the problem I have with what you are laying down...You said "no good QB's in the last 2 years". So I show you a good QB THIS year...and you now say "that needs to happen for two more years before I sign up".

I'm like...what? You are not making any sense.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

huh?
you thought you were clever, but this made ZERO sense.

You are mocking "eye test".

It why we watch. It's how we assess games. We SEE things with our own eyes. Yes...our bias can skew that but so can stats. Stats are boring and never tell the whole real story of how things really went down. Only your eyes can do that.

I will PROUDLY own my eye test...stats be damned.

 

[DFWJC]

If we really want to use stats, then wait until very late in the year and use the players' combined ranking in

1) Total TD-Total Turnvover differencial
2) Total Standard Passer Rating

That result has yielded the league MVP 9 of last years (and the other winner was 2nd using this method)
It's always a good indicator of who had the best years, give or take a slot or two.

We're only halfway in right now.

At this early stage, the leader in this combined category is Tua
Stroud, Allen and Herbert are up there too. Mahomes and Burrows will rise, but both have too many turnovers in the first half of the season. We know they are great anyway.

I think Dak is 8th or 9th--as is Hurts. Neither is really lighting it up, but aren't stinking it up either.