Dak is not my QB

[SultanOfSix]

This is exactly my point. The way they played the game is not identical, however, their results (W/L in regular season and playoffs) overall stats (regular season and playoffs), talent surrounding them at different points in their career were similar, i.e., at certain times they had a bevy of all-pros, pro-bowlers, and HOFers and at other times they had so many deficits they had to overcome (Romo not having sufficient OL or Dak not having WR/TE or both not having adequate defenses at times), and the coaching talent was similar (note, I said similar not exact), Hell, even the love/hate relationship of the fanbase is similar as you noted. Given the exact same point in their careers they achieved the exact same thing on a personal and team basis.

I posted a while ago on this forum the respective defensive team rankings of both QBs, and outside of the 2009 season, Romo’s teams on the defensive side of the ball were quite worse than Dak’s. They were consistently mid to lower defenses whereas Dak had top ten total defenses as well as top-ranked TO defenses many times.

They aren’t the same QB in terms of play, nor coaches, nor drafting, nor team structure. The “results” may be the same, but that is as superficial as it gets in a 53-person team game.

 

[DallasInDC]

I posted a while ago on this forum the respective defensive team rankings of both QBs, and outside of the 2009 season, Romo’s teams on the defensive side of the ball were quite worse than Dak’s. They were consistently mid to lower defenses whereas Dak had top ten total defenses as well as top-ranked TO defenses many times.

They aren’t the same QB in terms of play, nor coaches, nor drafting, nor team structure. The “results” may be the same, but that is as superficial as it gets in a 53-person team game.

It's not just the results, look at their career stats...they are amazingly similar.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Because he was. It ended his career.

And Dak looks so old and slow in the backfield, maybe the ware and tear of getting hit, and add onto that that he gets injured now. It makes the contract look dumber and dumber.

 

[Chasing6]

I literally gave you evidence and you said it didn’t come from Parcells lol…I don’t understand how 3 years of Payton/Parcells is not developmental time? So what you are trying to say Garrett is responsible for his development?

Romo actually played in HS and College.

 

[Vtwin]

I literally gave you evidence and you said it didn’t come from Parcells lol…I don’t understand how 3 years of Payton/Parcells is not developmental time? So what you are trying to say Garrett is responsible for his development?

You literally ignore the original point, which was your assertion that Romo had much better development from Parcells/Payton than Prescott got from Garrett/McCarthy/etc, giving him a great advantage over Prescott. You bring up that nonsense in every Romo vs Prescott thread as an excuse for Prescott, and it is ridiculous.

Everybody who worked with Romo, from his peewee coach on up, has a hand in Romo's development. Garrett, the former QB/QB coach/OC/HC and who worked with Romo longer than anyone else, has no responsibility for his development? Garrett, the guy who was himself developed right next to Aikman, by the same coaches, had no impact on Romo's development? I would say, of the three, Garrett had by far the most influence on Romo's development as a pro QB, and the facts back that up.

You can rationalize your opinions anyway you wish in your head. You can't rationalize away the facts and expect your irrational opinions to be accepted, if you decide to let them out of your head. Neither can you deflect and gaslight those facts away.

Even Forest Gump stopped running eventually. You must be getting tired Marathon? lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You literally ignore the original point, which was your assertion that Romo had much better development from Parcells/Payton than Prescott got from Garrett/McCarthy/etc, giving him a great advantage over Prescott. You bring up that nonsense in every Romo vs Prescott thread as an excuse for Prescott, and it is ridiculous.

Everybody who worked with Romo, from his peewee coach on up, has a hand in Romo's development. Garrett, the former QB/QB coach/OC/HC and who worked with Romo longer than anyone else, has no responsibility for his development? Garrett, the guy who was himself developed right next to Aikman, by the same coaches, had no impact on Romo's development? I would say, of the three, Garrett had by far the most influence on Romo's development as a pro QB, and the facts back that up.

You can rationalize your opinions anyway you wish in your head. You can't rationalize away the facts and expect your irrational opinions to be accepted, if you decide to let them out of your head. Neither can you deflect and gaslight those facts away.

Even Forest Gump stopped running eventually. You must be getting tired Marathon? lol

This stemmed from me saying “Dak and Romo are the same guy…the only difference is one had Payton/Parcells and the other had Garrett”…and it triggered you. They are the same guy regardless if you agree with who helped developed them.both failures in the post season.

 

[DallasEast]

 

[Vtwin]

This stemmed from me saying “Dak and Romo are the same guy…the only difference is one had Payton/Parcells and the other had Garrett”…and it triggered you. They are the same guy regardless if you agree with who helped developed them.both failures in the post season.

No. It stems directly from you flat out using this as an excuse to take pressure off Prescott. It goes back much farther than just this thread. You've been called out for it many times including multiple times by multiple people in this thread alone.

Romo and Dak are the same guy just like my pickup and my bike are exactly the same because they both can and do get me to work and back.

You can run and run and run and run, but you will never outpace facts, Forest.

Have a good one and stay hydrated!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No. It stems directly from you flat out using this as an excuse to take pressure off Prescott. It goes back much farther than just this thread. You've been called out for it many times including multiple times by multiple people in this thread alone.

Romo and Dak are the same guy just like my pickup and my bike are exactly the same because they both can and do get me to work and back.

You can run and run and run and run, but you will never outpace facts, Forest.

Have a good one and stay hydrated!

So if I say Romo and Dak are the same guy and I mention their coaches that’s an excuse to take pressure of Dak. What pressure? You say anything and then accuse me of something I didn’t do. King of mental gymnastics lol.

It’s funny you guys argued for all these years Romo was better than Dak and we argued back that Dak was better than Romo…now we admit they are the same guy and you guys think Romo is Brady.

Who in the hell is Romo for you guys to be up in arms over the comparison? You guys talk about him like he’s Mahomes or Brady…

 

[blueblood70]

This is exactly my point. The way they played the game is not identical, however, their results (W/L in regular season and playoffs) overall stats (regular season and playoffs), talent surrounding them at different points in their career were similar, i.e., at certain times they had a bevy of all-pros, pro-bowlers, and HOFers and at other times they had so many deficits they had to overcome (Romo not having sufficient OL or Dak not having WR/TE or both not having adequate defenses at times), and the coaching talent was similar (note, I said similar not exact), Hell, even the love/hate relationship of the fanbase is similar as you noted. Given the exact same point in their careers they achieved the exact same thing on a personal and team basis.

I'm definitely agreeing with you but the thing people really leave out is the quarterback can't do it alone both of them were in similar situations and I'm for one tired of hearing about how one can't take us to the Super bowl we'll never go to a Super Bowl no we'll never go to a Super Bowl if you keep bringing a lack of a run game a strong offensive line if you can't win in the trenches stop getting penalized so heavily can't make plays on defense I mean it goes on and on we saw the games and yet they put it all on the quarterback it gets tiresome this is not all on a quarterback ever Troy Aikman and Roger never carried this team through the playoffs they never carried this team on a playoff run that I can say for a they never went into battle without their run game their offensive line their defense and their coaching staff right there with them step for step making those runs..

So my counterpoint was stop blaming the quarterbacks we have had sufficient quarterback play here easily could've got to an NFC championship game had other factors worked out they just didn't there's just too many games to name the 11 penalties on the offensive line missed opportunities from the defense I mean really we're gonna blame Prescott for not winning a playoff game is rookie year when Aaron Rodgers once again like he did to Romo he basically took the last play and won the game against our defense going back to the Miami game couple years ago with Prescott gets the lead his defense gives it right back they did it in the Rams game in the second round literally gave up 278 yards on the ground I mean we could do this all day there's always big top five in every one of these losses in the playoffs that we can talk about why we didn't move on to the next round before we start talking about the quarterback...​

 

[Vtwin]

So if I say Romo and Dak are the same guy and I mention their coaches that’s an excuse to take pressure of Dak. What pressure? You say anything and then accuse me of something I didn’t do. King of mental gymnastics lol.

Deflection.

It’s funny you guys argued for all these years Romo was better than Dak and we argued back that Dak was better than Romo…now we admit they are the same guy and you guys think Romo is Brady.

Gaslighting

Who in the hell is Romo for you guys to be up in arms over the comparison? You guys talk about him like he’s Mahomes or Brady…

Deflection and gaslighting.


Deflection + gaslighting = rabbit hole aka "marathoning"
School's out for today.

Run Forest, run.

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm definitely agreeing with you but the thing people really leave out is the quarterback can't do it alone both of them were in similar situations and I'm for one tired of hearing about how one can't take us to the Super bowl we'll never go to a Super Bowl no we'll never go to a Super Bowl if you keep bringing a lack of a run game a strong offensive line if you can't win in the trenches stop getting penalized so heavily can't make plays on defense I mean it goes on and on we saw the games and yet they put it all on the quarterback it gets tiresome this is not all on a quarterback ever Troy Aikman and Roger never carried this team through the playoffs they never carried this team on a playoff run that I can say for a they never went into battle without their run game their offensive line their defense and their coaching staff right there with them step for step making those runs..

So my counterpoint was stop blaming the quarterbacks we have had sufficient quarterback play here easily could've got to an NFC championship game had other factors worked out they just didn't there's just too many games to name the 11 penalties on the offensive line missed opportunities from the defense I mean really we're gonna blame Prescott for not winning a playoff game is rookie year when Aaron Rodgers once again like he did to Romo he basically took the last play and won the game against our defense going back to the Miami game couple years ago with Prescott gets the lead his defense gives it right back they did it in the Rams game in the second round literally gave up 278 yards on the ground I mean we could do this all day there's always big top five in every one of these losses in the playoffs that we can talk about why we didn't move on to the next round before we start talking about the quarterback...​

This is so simple yet so difficult for some to grasp. Dak was the best QB on the field when the Cowboys faced the Rams in the playoffs and again when they faced the Niners in 2021 and probably in 2022. And probably against the Packer in 2023. The problem was in all these instances he was facing the better defense. So we lost. Of course I would have loved for him to throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs in all those games but he did that in 2016 and we still lost. You're 100% correct that it gets beyond tiresome to have to discuss how "it's just the quarterback" with people. People want simple answers and they can find them if they are willing to just look past the "we lost so the QB didn't play good" nonsense. Dak has been far from perfect in all these games.. but when the opposing offense is trampling your defense you are forced to take more chances than you ordinarily would to try and keep up. And that usually just doesn't end well. Not just for Dak but rally for any QB. The only game that I put heavily on Dak is the second playoff game against the 49ers. He did not have a good game and the defense held up their end for a change. But again, there's that whole "facing a really good defense" thing ...

 

[America's Cowboy]

So if I say Romo and Dak are the same guy and I mention their coaches that’s an excuse to take pressure of Dak. What pressure? You say anything and then accuse me of something I didn’t do. King of mental gymnastics lol.

It’s funny you guys argued for all these years Romo was better than Dak and we argued back that Dak was better than Romo…now we admit they are the same guy and you guys think Romo is Brady.

Who in the hell is Romo for you guys to be up in arms over the comparison? You guys talk about him like he’s Mahomes or Brady…

It's the same stubborn mule heads who argued and fought for Romo in the old DC boards still doing the same here now. They are never going to stop defending their boy, especially against Dak.

Get ready. It's going to get so much worse next year when Dak surpasses Romo as this franchise's leading passer with lesser games played and much lesser INTs thrown than Romo. Just watch...they are going to go super nuts! lol

 

[America's Cowboy]

This is so simple yet so difficult for some to grasp. Dak was the best QB on the field when the Cowboys faced the Rams in the playoffs and again when they faced the Niners in 2021 and probably in 2022. And probably against the Packer in 2023. The problem was in all these instances he was facing the better defense. So we lost. Of course I would have loved for him to throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs in all those games but he did that in 2016 and we still lost. You're 100% correct that it gets beyond tiresome to have to discuss how "it's just the quarterback" with people. People want simple answers and they can find them if they are willing to just look past the "we lost so the QB didn't play good" nonsense. Dak has been far from perfect in all these games.. but when the opposing offense is trampling your defense you are forced to take more chances than you ordinarily would to try and keep up. And that usually just doesn't end well. Not just for Dak but rally for any QB. The only game that I put heavily on Dak is the second playoff game against the 49ers. He did not have a good game and the defense held up their end for a change. But again, there's that whole "facing a really good defense" thing ...

1000% correct!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Deflection.


Gaslighting


Deflection and gaslighting.


Deflection + gaslighting = rabbit hole aka "marathoning"
School's out for today.

Run Forest, run.

Yeah you’re trolling it’s all good have a good day.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's the same stubborn mule heads who argued and fought for Romo in the old DC boards still doing the same here now. They are never going to stop defending their boy, especially against Dak.

Get ready. It's going to get so much worse next year when Dak surpasses Romo as this franchise's leading passer with lesser games played and much lesser INTs thrown than Romo. Just watch...they are going to go super nuts! lol

I’ve always said man these people are still upset Dak took his job. It’s almost 9’years now let it go Romo has.

 

[Cmac]

No they aren’t. No way Dak goes toe-to-toe with a QB like Payton Manning for nearly 100 total points with a lack of defensive play in 2013. That game is over by halftime with Dakchoka. Tony was the most underrated QB in the league and most propagandized as a choker by the anti-Dallas crowd in the media and elsewhere. Those 8-8 seasons where he “choked” were 4-12 teams without him. It‘s guaranteed that a coach like Sean Payton would take Romo over Dak every time.

You're going to praise a toe-to-toe performance that yielded a "no chance now" interception? Granted he tossed for 500+ yards and had 3 100yd WRs (Dak would need CD with a 200 yd game) that day.....but that interception at the wrong time (Danny Trevathan) closed the Cowboys chance that day. Your defense isn't a defense....it's truth and facts from the career that we examine now or reflect on. Many of us liked Tony, but got frustrated with him, as we do with Dak.

C'mon SultanOfSix.....we get the love & loyalty, and you're entitled to your beliefs.......let's just stop the "Woe is Tony" moves, if we're moving the goalposts frequently about comparisons to our QBs, who have similar fates and playoff results......just different affections toward them.

 

[blueblood70]

This is so simple yet so difficult for some to grasp. Dak was the best QB on the field when the Cowboys faced the Rams in the playoffs and again when they faced the Niners in 2021 and probably in 2022. And probably against the Packer in 2023. The problem was in all these instances he was facing the better defense. So we lost. Of course I would have loved for him to throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs in all those games but he did that in 2016 and we still lost. You're 100% correct that it gets beyond tiresome to have to discuss how "it's just the quarterback" with people. People want simple answers and they can find them if they are willing to just look past the "we lost so the QB didn't play good" nonsense. Dak has been far from perfect in all these games.. but when the opposing offense is trampling your defense you are forced to take more chances than you ordinarily would to try and keep up. And that usually just doesn't end well. Not just for Dak but rally for any QB. The only game that I put heavily on Dak is the second playoff game against the 49ers. He did not have a good game and the defense held up their end for a change. But again, there's that whole "facing a really good defense" thing ...

 

[blueblood70]

This is so simple yet so difficult for some to grasp. Dak was the best QB on the field when the Cowboys faced the Rams in the playoffs and again when they faced the Niners in 2021 and probably in 2022. And probably against the Packer in 2023. The problem was in all these instances he was facing the better defense. So we lost. Of course I would have loved for him to throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs in all those games but he did that in 2016 and we still lost. You're 100% correct that it gets beyond tiresome to have to discuss how "it's just the quarterback" with people. People want simple answers and they can find them if they are willing to just look past the "we lost so the QB didn't play good" nonsense. Dak has been far from perfect in all these games.. but when the opposing offense is trampling your defense you are forced to take more chances than you ordinarily would to try and keep up. And that usually just doesn't end well. Not just for Dak but rally for any QB. The only game that I put heavily on Dak is the second playoff game against the 49ers. He did not have a good game and the defense held up their end for a change. But again, there's that whole "facing a really good defense" thing ...

Correct and what made it worse is the two contracts that Prescott got recently they don't feel he deserved it and now they feel like that he's the highest paid guy on the team and in the league that he should be Superman trying to separate the money from the players hard for some fans to do and in some ways I wish Prescott would have left got paid 55 to 60 million elsewhere and then they could have seen the difference in how many people or I should say GM's and teams were gonna be lining up for his services...

The league and other teams view Prescott and Romo far different than our own fan base does... I still don't get it though it's like all the hate 75% of the posts are anti Jerry Jones they hate everything he does they say he doesn't do enough he doesn't try hard enough he doesn't get the right free agents he doesn't do the right trades he's the worst GM in the league apparently but then they'll turn around and blame the coaches and players for all the problems we have..

They can't seem to make up their mind who they wanna blame and really this is a team game you blame it from the top to the bottom when it doesn't work just like for me my perspective is this year would've been better regardless of what Jerry did or didn't do in the offseason had our coaching staff chose the correct running back early enough the correct 5 offensive lineman early enough running a better offensive scheme earlier before all the mess happened and for sure take all these injuries away no one's gonna see you next offseason gets instantly better when we start out healthy or relatively healthy...

So I'm looking forward to next year it's a new year could be a new set of issues and hopefully we have less of them and we go further...

 

[America's Cowboy]

I’ve always said man these people are still upset Dak took his job. It’s almost 9’years now let it go Romo has.

They won't let it go. They keep proving it today, even if they pretend as if they have. They refuse to answer anything referring to Romo. Instead, they deflect and condemn one for even mentioning Romo even though it's a valid argument.