Dak is not my QB

[TheMarathonContinues]

BS

You don’t remember Parcells commandments he gave Romo?

 

[Vtwin]

You don’t remember Parcells commandments he gave Romo?

I do. Very well. Remember the video of Parcells talking to Romo during warmups of how the d-line was going to eat him up like a pastrami sandwich? Great stuff. Parcells was a great coach. On my Mt Rushmore.

But....

What does ANY of that have to with the techniques and nuances of playing the position? That is the part you are working so hard to ignore for the sake of continuing the marathon.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Show us the Parcell's reference you are referring to. It doesn't exist. Just the thought of big Bill out there teaching Romo dropbacks, footwork techniques and throwing motions is laughable.

You might want to check the dates on just how much Romo and Payton overlapped in Dallas.

Talk about arguing just to argue! lol

How can you accuse me of arguing to argue when I wasn’t even debating with you lo? You jumped in being loud and wrong as usual…according to Parcells

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation...ame-saints-coach-almost-traded-them-tony-romo

Payton had pursued and developed Romo when Payton was the Cowboys’ passing-game coordinator under Parcells. Payton and Romo were both record-setting quarterbacks at Eastern Illinois. According to the book, Payton convinced Romo to accept a $15,000 bonus to sign with the Cowboys as an undrafted rookie in 2003, even though another Eastern Illinois product, Mike Shanahan, had offered $25,000 to try and lure Romo to Denver.

So I’m suppose believe you over Parcells? Alright lol…

The marathon continues…

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I do. Very well. Remember the video of Parcells talking to Romo during warmups of how the d-line was going to eat him up like a pastrami sandwich? Great stuff. Parcells was a great coach. On my Mt Rushmore.

But....

What does ANY of that have to with the techniques and nuances of playing the position? That is the part you are working so hard to ignore for the sake of continuing the marathon.

I didn’t ignore anything you guys are choosing what you want to choose in order to argue. I said Payton and Parcells but notice how you keep conveniently leaving out Payton. I said they helped with his development. As did David Lee. It’s a known fact. Just like Garrett and Wade Wilson helped with Dak. You are arguing against history and facts made by people far more credible then me or you.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Now this is accurate. The fact that it has nothing to do with the actual development of the position itself is what is entirely lost on you.

How does that have nothing to do with development? Having him in the lab got over tape and not playing him isn’t a part of developing him?

 

[Chasing6]

No tears shed like T.O. The team battles hard for Cooper Rush. Dak has always been a company man and a phony just interested in getting paid. Bravo Dak. Phony.

Jerry's not my GM.

 

[Runwildboys]

Yeah this is more of people building an alternate reality in their minds. Romo was kept on the bench mainly because of his penchant for turnovers and his (relatively) weak arm along with his ..er.. freelancing play style which drove Parcells nuts. Parcells put him in basically because at that point he had nothing to lose. For all the romanticized storyline about when Romo got in the Cowboys only went 6-4 once he was inserted and bowed out of the playoffs on Romo's mishandling of the snap in Seattle. I will give Romo credit for energizing the team and the fan base but it wasn't till the end of 2013 that I started to believe he could actually lead the team anywhere.

Wasn't that "mishandling of the snap" the catalyst for the rule change, because they were given a slippery ball, instead of a new one?

 

[DallasInDC]

I'm really not paying attention to this argument or debate and half the guys I have on block /ignore....

so, I can't tell what you're saying what's the point of this graph just say that Romo and Prescott are pretty much the same players they're having the same careers and are hated on about the same everything just shifted the hate Romo crowd went to the pro dak crowd and vice versa....

hey, I'm a Dallas cowboy fan I can enjoy pulling for all of them including Cooper Rush,

I'm tired of trying to be told who I'm supposed to pick or who's better than the other right now the Cowboys have had a long stretch of not getting to an NFC championship game and it's far from the quarterback's fault I don't care what name you want to plug in there this is a bigger problem with the team not showing up the team that's the coaches the entire team from top to bottom there's at least one from every phase that has let us down...

This is exactly my point. The way they played the game is not identical, however, their results (W/L in regular season and playoffs) overall stats (regular season and playoffs), talent surrounding them at different points in their career were similar, i.e., at certain times they had a bevy of all-pros, pro-bowlers, and HOFers and at other times they had so many deficits they had to overcome (Romo not having sufficient OL or Dak not having WR/TE or both not having adequate defenses at times), and the coaching talent was similar (note, I said similar not exact), Hell, even the love/hate relationship of the fanbase is similar as you noted. Given the exact same point in their careers they achieved the exact same thing on a personal and team basis.

 

[Vtwin]

How can you accuse me of arguing to argue when I wasn’t even debating with you lo? You jumped in being loud and wrong as usual…according to Parcells


Payton had pursued and developed Romo when Payton was the Cowboys’ passing-game coordinator under Parcells. Payton and Romo were both record-setting quarterbacks at Eastern Illinois. According to the book, Payton convinced Romo to accept a $15,000 bonus to sign with the Cowboys as an undrafted rookie in 2003, even though another Eastern Illinois product, Mike Shanahan, had offered $25,000 to try and lure Romo to Denver.

So I’m suppose believe you over Parcells? Alright lol…

The marathon continues…

What does that have to do with anything? You don't even have the link. There is no way that is a Parcells quote, not that I discount the facts presented in the quote. What does the circumstances behind Romo signing with the Cowboys have to do with his development as a player.

You really should refresh your memory on how all this overlapped. The bottom line is you give WAY to much credit to both Parcells and Payton for the way Romo's career progressed as it relates to the coaching Prescott got in his early years.

Am I typing to "loud" for you? lol Is this better? lol You really are something...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What does that have to do with anything? You don't even have the link. There is no way that is a Parcells quote, not that I discount the facts presented in the quote. What does the circumstances behind Romo signing with the Cowboys have to do with his development as a player.

You really should refresh your memory on how all this overlapped. The bottom line is you give WAY to much credit to both Parcells and Payton for the way Romo's career progressed as it relates to the coaching Prescott got in his early years.

Am I typing to "loud" for you? lol Is this better? lol You really are something...

The first sentence said Payton developed Romo lol. If you don’t want to believe it fine now you need links when google is your friend…..

 

[Vtwin]

How does that have nothing to do with development? Having him in the lab got over tape and not playing him isn’t a part of developing him?

Say you come work for me. I start you slow, sweeping up after the veteran employees who are getting it done. You seem behind the curve so I assign one or two of my best communicators to work with you to teach you all the ins and outs of doing the job I eventually want you to do. My guys spend a lot of time coaching you up and achieve some success.

Who developed you?

Hint. Not me. They did.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Say you come work for me. I start you slow, sweeping up after the veteran employees who are getting it done. You seem behind the curve so I assign one or two of my best communicators to work with you to teach you all the ins and outs of doing the job I eventually want you to do. My guys spend a lot of time coaching you up and achieve some success.

Who developed you?

Hint. Not me. They did.

I’d say that’s part of your development but ok. Let’s for arguments sake say this is correct. This is not what Payton did for him. He and David Lee actively took part in his development…..

 

[DallasEast]

Always include article links to quotes and text to avoid possible post auto-deletion.

 

[Vtwin]

The first sentence said Payton developed Romo lol. If you don’t want to believe it fine now you need links when google is your friend…..

Again, you might want to refresh your memory on how that all played out. Time overlap, depth chart etc.

Yes Marathon, Payton gets credit for starting the development of a 3rd string project, but again, Romo got nowhere near the advantage over Prescott that you keep pretending he did.

I'm not here to do your research. You would never accept any evidence from me or anyone else without the citation. Nor should you, or I.

Argue just to argue... lol

 

[Vtwin]

I’d say that’s part of your development but ok. Let’s for arguments sake say this is correct. This is not what Payton did for him. He and David Lee actively took part in his development…..

Now you're trying to exclude your claim that Parcells was a big part of Romo's development? Rabbit hole alert!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again, you might want to refresh your memory on how that all played out. Time overlap, depth chart etc.

Yes Marathon, Payton gets credit for starting the development of a 3rd string project, but again, Romo got nowhere near the advantage over Prescott that you keep pretending he did.

I'm not here to do your research. You would never accept any evidence from me or anyone else without the citation. Nor should you, or I.

Argue just to argue... lol

I literally gave you evidence and you said it didn’t come from Parcells lol…I don’t understand how 3 years of Payton/Parcells is not developmental time? So what you are trying to say Garrett is responsible for his development?

 

[DallasInDC]

There's nothing remotely close about their Oline situations. Prescott has basically gotten first round talent in nearly every draft while Jerry used Romo's scrambling ability as an excuse not to draft any until he was in his 30s. Team building is exactly that, a year round exercise in improving the roster and the Cowboys did a terrible job of it after Parcells left until they actually started drafting linemen. That is a fact. That team in 2007 could've went places, but was already a mess by 2010 for this very reason.

Yes, Dak's first three years he was fortunate to have Martin, Smith and T-Beard (Romo also had them for his final full season as well). After the first three-year, T. Smith started dealing with the back injuries and was not reliably available and then T-Beard had his autoimmune issues. Dak's OL the last 3 years was nothing special.

Likewise, Romo had stretches when he first started with Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode and Leonard Davis all multiyear pro-bowlers while Romo was playing and then he had a long stretch with some putrid OL as well which contributed to his injuries. Of course the same argument could be made about the WR/TE position and how JJ has handled that. Was Romo a better pure passer/QB yes, but he was also a riverboat gambler that had his share of losses due to taking to much risk, but that still counts against his performances as a QB (you can see that in his interception numbers and why their stats overall are so comparable).

I say all of this as a huge Romo fan.... I loved his FA story, I loved how he played the game, but he still had his "NOOO DANNNYYY" moments... which Parcells correctly tried to coach out of him. (I wanted nothing more than Romo to win a SB, along with DWare, and Witten....just like I want Dak to win a SB with Micah and CeeDee.

 

[DallasInDC]

Again, they did not suffer through Garrett, as Garrett was completely removed from play-calling by Jerry Jones himself in 2014, when Linehan was here.

And record means nothing as far as being the "same QB". Record can be teh result of many things. Dak can't read a defense, is horrible throwing against a zone, has horrible mechanics, couldn't throw accurately to a WR that doesn't get lots of separation like Dez and can't throw in anticipation.

Dak in a roster equivalent to what Romo was playing with, was comparable to Cooper Rush, not Tony Romo.

Obviously, you didn't read the post so no reason for me to respond with a counter argument if you don't talk facts.

 

[Big_D]

Yes, Dak's first three years he was fortunate to have Martin, Smith and T-Beard (Romo also had them for his final full season as well). After the first three-year, T. Smith started dealing with the back injuries and was not reliably available and then T-Beard had his autoimmune issues. Dak's OL the last 3 years was nothing special.

Likewise, Romo had stretches when he first started with Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode and Leonard Davis all multiyear pro-bowlers while Romo was playing and then he had a long stretch with some putrid OL as well which contributed to his injuries. Of course the same argument could be made about the WR/TE position and how JJ has handled that. Was Romo a better pure passer/QB yes, but he was also a riverboat gambler that had his share of losses due to taking to much risk, but that still counts against his performances as a QB (you can see that in his interception numbers and why their stats overall are so comparable).

I say all of this as a huge Romo fan.... I loved his FA story, I loved how he played the game, but he still had his "NOOO DANNNYYY" moments... which Parcells correctly tried to coach out of him. (I wanted nothing more than Romo to win a SB, along with DWare, and Witten....just like I want Dak to win a SB with Micah and CeeDee.

Those lineman were at the tail end of their careers. Dak had hall fame caliber lineman through the meat of theirs and his. Maybe the past 3 years haven't been very good but his first 6 were outstanding. It's a monumental difference.


On top of Jerry not drafting any protection, Romo's getting the special teams draft and Felix Jones and the Roy Williams trade. Just ridiculous decisions from the front office and really a night and day difference from how they've been operating since about 2012. Those 5 years inbetween were horrendous from a management standpoint. Jerry at his absolute worst because that 2007 team could've actually made a legit run for a few years and Jerry put an immediate stop to it.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yeah this is more of people building an alternate reality in their minds. Romo was kept on the bench mainly because of his penchant for turnovers and his (relatively) weak arm along with his ..er.. freelancing play style which drove Parcells nuts. Parcells put him in basically because at that point he had nothing to lose. For all the romanticized storyline about when Romo got in the Cowboys only went 6-4 once he was inserted and bowed out of the playoffs on Romo's mishandling of the snap in Seattle. I will give Romo credit for energizing the team and the fan base but it wasn't till the end of 2013 that I started to believe he could actually lead the team anywhere.

LOL. No. Parcels was an extremely conservative coach who didn’t want to play a young QB until he was absolutely ready. In fact, when Parcells was being asked by the media about starting one of the more well known young QBs he had behind Testaverde and Bledsoe, e.g., the Michigan QB who was the starter in front of Brady, he made it a point that there was another guy back there who was making far more strides than any of them, indirectly making a point that the media didn’t know what they were talking about and referring to Romo without actually mentioning his name. Parcells knew Romo was the future when he put him in for Bledsoe. Sean Payton also wanted him in New Orleans before he went after Brees, but Parcells wouldn’t trade him.