Dak is playing like a 4th round pick

[CT Dal Fan]

Dak-stans again with their completely asinine analogies. Dak has had a complete roster, a good enough roster, especially for a good QB, let alone elite QB to be competitive for the SB. It was because they have been going with Dak that they wasted the best years of their mist impactful players, including Zeke.

Dak is the Garrett of QBs. He was and is the QB in training.

Now we are back once again to, it’s everybody else’s fault, including Moore, but him.

So you've been satisfied with the offensive line play and the running game in recent weeks? How has Zeke been doing? Or with the receivers running the wrong way like at Washington?

Listen I'm not absolving Dak of all the blame, but while he's been in this slump, it's easy to forget he's had plenty of company.

 

[khiladi]

So you've been satisfied with the offensive line play and the running game in recent weeks? How has Zeke been doing? Or with the receivers running the wrong way like at Washington?

Listen I'm not absolving Dak of all the blame, but while he's been in this slump, it's easy to forget he's had plenty of company.

Did you see what Heineke played with? Do you watch what other QBs play with? Facts are, what Dak is seeing these days is pretty much what every QB faces on a weekly basis. So now Dak is being exposed for what he is. He’s ALWAYS had issues with zone coverages, but now that teams don’t have to dedicate a man in the box all the time to stop the run game during this part stretch, he is seeing it a lot more and his slow processing speed is becoming evident.

The way the RG and OL was playing during our win steal was NOT normal, it was DOMINANT and ELITE and gave this offense manageable third and short to work with. To expect that type of dominance throughout the season is what is not rational.

The reality is, there is tape on teams tendencies by mid-season normally. That’s when the elite show their colors, because it’s their play that pushes them through the season.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Did you see what Heineke played with? Do you watch what other QBs play with? Facts are, what Dak is seeing these days is pretty much what every QB faces on a weekly basis. So now Dak is being exposed for what he is. He’s ALWAYS had issues with zone coverages, but now that teams don’t have to dedicate a man in the box all the time to stop the run game, he is seeing it a lot more and his slow processing speed is becoming evident.

The reality is, there is tape on teams tendencies by mid-season normally. That’s when the elite show their colors, because it’s their play that pushes them through the season.

I saw what Heinicke played with. And I also saw him start the game 2/14 passing against the Cowboys. Dak has never been that bad at any point in his career.

 

[khiladi]

I saw what Heinicke played with. And I also saw him start the game 2/14 passing against the Cowboys. Dak has never been that bad at any point in his career.

Because he had pass rushers in his face ever play. Heineke was wishing that game he was behind the OL that Dak was struggling behind.

 

[DCCBFan]

Bengals needed a QB after Dalton, drafted Burrow.
Chargers needed a QB after Rivers, drafted Herbert.
Patriots needed a QB after Brady, drafted Jones.
All three teams have winning records this season.
Still way too early to judge the likes of Lance and Fields.
Lawrence and Wilson joined dumpster fires.
It's disappointing and surprising how petrified some posters are to draft a QB especially when Prescott isn't a game changer or of elite level.

Dalton would be serviceable in this offense. He did ok last season with third string offensive lineman but my preference would be and has always been, to draft a rookie QB and use the savings to pay a couple of elite free agents, e.g., Judon. As in a difference maker worth the money.

One consistent thread among the anti-Dak takes is the lack of any apparent rationality in the complaints. Here, you point to guys like Burrow, Herbert and Jones as presumed upgrades, while seemingly oblivious to the fact that Dak beat two out of the three head to head just this season. While leading he team to the top of the heap record-wise, with the one of the very best offenses in the league statistically to this point. You point to Dalton as a potentially “serviceable” replacement while ignoring that he was rather obviously not as good as Dak last year. Why are you advocating for a downgrade? Because Dak makes too much money? Who is it we should be spending that money on? Big money free agents we’ve lost like Byron Jones? Big money free agents from other teams like … who? Who was the last impact free agent? These tales are not only wrong, they are completely irrational.

 

[khiladi]

One consistent thread among the anti-Dak takes is the lack of any apparent rationality in the complaints. Here, you point to guys like Burrow, Herbert and Jones as presumed upgrades, while seemingly oblivious to the fact that Dak beat two out of the three head to head just this season. While leading he team to the top of the heap record-wise, with the one of the very best offenses in the league statistically to this point. You point to Dalton as a potentially “serviceable” replacement while ignoring that he was rather obviously not as good as Dak last year. Why are you advocating for a downgrade? Because Dak makes too much money? Who is it we should be spending that money on? Big money free agents we’ve lost like Byron Jones? Big money free agents from other teams like … who? Who was the last impact free agent? These tales are not only wrong, they are completely irrational.

Dak was horrible against the Chargers zone and SD was the product of completely horrible ref’ing. To say he outplayed Herbert is asinine and he was arguably the worst player on the field that game. Outside of the dump off to Lamb for like 3 yards that went 43 yards to end the half he passed for like 170 yards.

And 2020 Dalton was actually better than Dak in the fourth quarter when down by seven. And when he played on the Giants game, where the conditions were equal, Dalton did exactly what Dak was doing in that game. Further, Dak was garbage in 2020 and nobody said Dalton was a better ‘streetball’ QB than Dak, meaning when your down by like 30, Dak can pad his stats better than Dalton.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

How many good teams continually draft quarterbacks? Aside from the Broncos there aren't many. Most are average or bad teams. The Cowboys have a good/very good team regardless of what they nay sayers claim on here.
Bengals needed a QB after Dalton, drafted Burrow.
Chargers needed a QB after Rivers, drafted Herbert.
Patriots needed a QB after Brady, drafted Jones.
All three teams have winning records this season.
Still way too early to judge the likes of Lance and Fields.
Lawrence and Wilson joined dumpster fires.
It's disappointing and surprising how petrified some posters are to draft a QB especially when Prescott isn't a game changer or of elite level.

Dalton would be serviceable in this offense. He did ok last season with third string offensive lineman but my preference would be and has always been, to draft a rookie QB and use the savings to pay a couple of elite free agents, e.g., Judon. As in a difference maker worth the money.

Good teams don't draft quarterbacks because they typically already have a quarterback they've paid a lot of money to. Why would a good team be drafting a quarterback? That's the first fallacy in your argument.

The Bengals had to have the worst record in the NFL to draft Burrow. The Chargers took Herbert with the 6th pick. Are you suggesting the Cowboys bottom out and tank to draft a QB in the top 5?

And what, exactly, is it about the Bengals and Chargers situations that the Cowboys should be envious of? They're both straddling .500 and, by the way, discussions about contract extensions for both will begin within the next year or two. And, despite the fact that neither have accomplished anything yet in the NFL, both will likely get paid more than Dak. Then what?

Same goes for Mac Jones, he's a rookie who won a game last week by completing just two passes. I'm not sure why he's even in this discussion. Are you suggesting that the Cowboys should just draft ANY QB to replace Dak? Will Bill Belichick be coming along with that QB?

You gave me a list of QB's who were all drafted in the top 15-ish, as examples of what a team that will likely be drafting anywhere from pick 22-32 should do. So I'm still not quite clear on what realistic scenario you would have expected Dallas to do. The year before we extended Dak, we took Lamb in the first round. The only QB taken in the first after our pick was Jordan Love - are you suggesting we should have let Dak walk, passed on Lamb, and drafted Jordan Love? Or perhaps passed on Diggs in the second to draft Jalen Hurts? Or maybe you would have wanted us to let Dak walk last offseason, and draft Mac Jones at 12 instead of Parsons? Would that put the team in a better spot then they're in today?

 

[DCCBFan]

Dak was horrible against the Chargers zone and SD was the product of completely horrible ref’ing. To say he outplayed Herbert is asinine and he was arguably the worst player on the field that game. Outside of the dump off to Lamb for like 3 yards that went 43 yards to end the half he passed for like 170 yards.

Ok. So I’m not a big proponent of the “other than his good plays, he didn’t make any good plays” mode of analysis. I’ll just say that he led his team to more points than Herbert did that day.

And 2020 Dalton was actually better than Dak in the fourth quarter when down by seven. And when he played on the Giants game, where the conditions were equal, Dalton did exactly what Dak was doing in that game. Further, Dak was garbage in 2020 and nobody said Dalton was a better ‘streetball’ QB than Dak, meaning when your down by like 30, Dak can pad his stats better than Dalton.

Ok, I haven’t done a deep statistical dive into Dalton’s 2020 season but it seemed to my eye that he was pretty bad. And just a quick glance at Dalton’s passer rating, QBR and win/loss record both for 2020 (as well as his career) suggests to me that the argument that he is comparable to Dak is really not serious. Just my opinion.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Because he had pass rushers in his face ever play. Heineke was wishing that game he was behind the OL that Dak was struggling behind.

And when Dak gets pressured multiple times per game and gets knocked down or rushed 15 more times (like the Chiefs game), he gets no pass. Yet Heinicke does. Interesting.

 

[Typhus]

So he needs a perfect team around him. That's all we hear here.

True, but Lawrence on this Cowboys team this year in his rookie season would have looked much better than he has in Jacksonville.

 

[Typhus]

See. Ask folks this question and most don’t want to answer. Because the alternative is to draft QB’s in the first round and have like a 60% chance of them being a total bust

a 35% chance of being around as good as Dak and like a 5% chance of them actually winding up being a better QB than Dak.


Or they’ll say “sign a cheaper QB to save re cap space” but of course they can’t offer many examples of that actually working for a team.

I would say you have to trust your evaluation process and not just buy in on a 4th round hopeful.
Shoulda woulda coulda, should of drafted another QB the season after we drafted Dak, or brought in some comp, but we dont take that approach.
Never took it with Romo so why would they change their approach.

 

[Mobinvans]

I would say you have to trust your evaluation process and not just buy in on a 4th round hopeful.
Shoulda woulda coulda, should of drafted another QB the season after we drafted Dak, or brought in some comp, but we dont take that approach.
Never took it with Romo so why would they change their approach.

The Packers drafted Rogers when Favre was still lighting it up

The Packers drafted another QB in the 1st round with Rogers playing lights out

maybe there is something to that

 

[Corso]

4th round pick QBs play erratic

Sometimes they have good games, sometimes they have bad games

4th round pics have usually have accuracy problems

Dak is just a 4th round pick that overachieved once inawile

 

[Typhus]

The Packers drafted Rogers when Favre was still lighting it up

The Packers drafted another QB in the 1st round with Rogers playing lights out

maybe there is something to that

Cowboys brass does not like to stress out our chosen franchise QBs with competition, it could disturb the fragile egos of our starting QBs.
Ive always said there is competition at every other position on the roster, so why the most important position on this team any team not given the same.

 

[Acceptablename]

4th round pick QBs play erratic

Sometimes they have good games, sometimes they have bad games

4th round pics have usually have accuracy problems

Dak is just a 4th round pick that overachieved once inawile

I have never seen any QB not have slump. What were your thoughts the first 7 games of the season

 

[Mobinvans]

I have never seen any QB not have slump. What were your thoughts the first 7 games of the season

I thought he played pretty good when he had All Pros at every position

 

[Aviano90]

I have never seen any QB not have slump. What were your thoughts the first 7 games of the season

Will interject. Great question.

My answer is a he played like he deserved his contract. Afterwards he hasn’t. At $650k per year love him. At $35 mil, it is hit or miss.

Now we see which Prescott we get from game to game?

Will add, we can’t even decide if it is a slump or not. What is up with that?

 

[Swagger]

Good teams don't draft quarterbacks because they typically already have a quarterback they've paid a lot of money to. Why would a good team be drafting a quarterback? That's the first fallacy in your argument.

The Bengals had to have the worst record in the NFL to draft Burrow. The Chargers took Herbert with the 6th pick. Are you suggesting the Cowboys bottom out and tank to draft a QB in the top 5?

And what, exactly, is it about the Bengals and Chargers situations that the Cowboys should be envious of? They're both straddling .500 and, by the way, discussions about contract extensions for both will begin within the next year or two. And, despite the fact that neither have accomplished anything yet in the NFL, both will likely get paid more than Dak. Then what?

Same goes for Mac Jones, he's a rookie who won a game last week by completing just two passes. I'm not sure why he's even in this discussion. Are you suggesting that the Cowboys should just draft ANY QB to replace Dak? Will Bill Belichick be coming along with that QB?

You gave me a list of QB's who were all drafted in the top 15-ish, as examples of what a team that will likely be drafting anywhere from pick 22-32 should do. So I'm still not quite clear on what realistic scenario you would have expected Dallas to do. The year before we extended Dak, we took Lamb in the first round. The only QB taken in the first after our pick was Jordan Love - are you suggesting we should have let Dak walk, passed on Lamb, and drafted Jordan Love? Or perhaps passed on Diggs in the second to draft Jalen Hurts? Or maybe you would have wanted us to let Dak walk last offseason, and draft Mac Jones at 12 instead of Parsons? Would that put the team in a better spot then they're in today?

I was simply providing examples of quarterbacks drafted to teams with a current winning record so as to quash the myth that it's supposedly impossible to draft a QB and win.
Next years draft has already been written off as having a poor selection of quarterbacks but one or two usually show up from the clouds during the season, Joe Burrow a classic example.
QB scouts are paid a lot of money to assess talent and then the front office assesses the individual personality. Allow them to do their job. You will likely bring up Paxton Lynch (we never know how well he would have on this offense - Denver haven't had a good QB since Peyton and even he was dog meat in his last season) and bang on about the QB busts...that's because they mostly join dumpster fires.

My scenario and I mentioned this at the time, would have been to have offered Prescott and a second for the Chargers' pick and Dallas selects Herbert. I remember Catch was huge on Herbert and I wasn't far behind his confidence. I was sure in my mind he was the best QB in the draft. He was still available at #6. People will say why would the Chargers go for that well they would have got a QB with a winning record and fancy stats in the NFL. We miss out on Diggs but I'm not as high on him as most people as he blows assignments to make the picks that he does. Worst case scenario we would have to give them our first and miss out on Lamb. Painful but we still have Cooper and Gallup plus we would have drafted a good receiver in the later rounds last year as there were plenty available, e.g, Gabriel Davis in the 4th round.

Equally we needed to have signed Prescott earlier in any event and without a no trade clause so the front office retained the power and could send him wherever. Imagine this roster with Herbert and Parsons on rookie contracts plus we should have TJ Watt but that's a story for another day. Again most people on here called that and knew Taco would be a major bust. The front office have basically screwed the team over. I previously stated that we either sign Prescott early so he could be traded if needed or not at all. The front office left it so late yet they kept him, paid him what he wanted and with a no trade clause AFTER a serious leg injury for a dual threat QB! You couldn't make it up. I'm left having to look at his gormless face after he ***** up on the sidelines for the next 2-3 years.

So to answer your question, we can't do much now regardless. There's no point signing a vet or drafting a QB as we are still knee capped with the Prescott contract and good grief nobody would want to trade for him post injury and on his current deal unless we do what the Rams did with Goff. Even then, Prescott has a no trade clause! We are stuck with Dak Prescott at QB for the next few years which kills me inside when you consider the wasted talent with the likes of Parsons on rookie contracts and with so many pieces in place for a Superbowl run.

 

[Acceptablename]

I thought he played pretty good when he had All Pros at every position

Since that’s obviously not true I’ll wait

 

[plasticman]

if Dak was playing like a 4th rounder he would be sitting on the bench if he made the team at all. That's what 4th round picks generally do when they are quarterbacks.

Since 1990 thee have been 53 quarterbacks drafted in the 4th round. Three of them have made at least one pro Bowl and that is Dak, Kirk Cousins, and David Gerard.

21 of them never appeared in a game. Only 13 of them, about one fourth, started a season's worth of games, 16 or more.

Half of them lasted less then four seasons. Only 7 had 1000 or more pass attempts.

If Dak retired today, he would have the 2nd most passing yards of any quarterback drafted in the 4th round from 1990 to present.

Dak Prescott has never played like a 4th rounder and that includes any point this season.