Twitter: Dak & Mike McCarthy at Kenny Chesney concert

[Runwildboys]

They are all pretty good artists in their own right and have all had major success, so apparently they done something right during their run. I don't believe they were classified as country music artists were they??? I stand to be corrected of course.

The genre is irrelevant. The point is that just because someone's music is popular doesn't mean it's good, and vice versa.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Im not looking at "popular", im looking at how the hip-hop culture has dominated the world. I remember there was a time music critics said hip-hop was just a faze and that it wouldn't last.

But 40+ years later, it is still on top by miles.

Okay...I didn't know you were being so specific. You did say "the music I listen to".

I still say...music in general.....global sales and downloads are not a direct correlation to "quality". Usually the opposite.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The genre is irrelevant. The point is that just because someone's music is popular doesn't mean it's good, and vice versa.

Totally concur. "Popular music" ...pop.....generally has other qualities about it than musical "worth". Aforementioned Britney for example...a pretty big seller!....but it's about about the dance/show rather than music listening experience.

Pink Floyd might be an example of big seller...and musical value/worth.

 

[Runwildboys]

Totally concur. "Popular music" ...pop.....generally has other qualities about it than musical "worth". Aforementioned Britney for example...a pretty big seller!....but it's about about the dance/show rather than music listening experience.

Pink Floyd might be an example of big seller...and musical value/worth.

"Danceability" has a lot to do with popularity, as does relating to current issues and culture.

 

[GINeric]

Okay...I didn't know you were being so specific. You did say "the music I listen to".

I still say...music in general.....global sales and downloads are not a direct correlation to "quality". Usually the opposite.

I understand what you're saying about quality, but its about what the people want to hear. Those people paying for those albums, downloads and streams feel like they are getting quality music. Its quality to them.

Nobody can lead the world in music sales and tour revenue if people all over the world didn't think it was quality music. There is no set definition of "quality" in music.

 

[GINeric]

The genre is irrelevant. The point is that just because someone's music is popular doesn't mean it's good, and vice versa.

Well my point was about Dak at a country music show, so i singled out country. If someone is consistently selling 2 to 3+ million albums everytime they drop a new one, then it must be pretty good music. Numbers don't lie.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I understand what you're saying about quality, but its about what the people want to hear. Those people paying for those albums, downloads and streams feel like they are getting quality music. Its quality to them.

Nobody can lead the world in music sales and tour revenue if people all over the world didn't think it was quality music. There is no set definition of "quality" in music.

LOL..."quality to them". Could be, maybe...but...not sure they are concerned about "quality".

SO you are trying to tell me there's ZERO difference between nickelback and Dixie Dregs...musically. Quality. Adeptness.

Dude. I think you are why we get shtty music.

I kid.....sorry!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well my point was about Dak at a country music show, so i singled out country. If someone is consistently selling 2 to 3+ million albums everytime they drop a new one, then it must be pretty good music. Numbers don't lie.

I think you have skewed perception on "good music". Sales is NOT an indicator of musical quality and adeptness.

It is an indicator of what the general population finds amusing. That is all.

"good music"...involves adeptness of instrument, voice, lyrics. For example...singing about pickup trucks is a LOT easier than singing about the 1st space shuttle launch. It's is also more amusing to the general population. Has nothing to do with the QUALITY.

If you use a lot of vocal auto correct...you might not be making "quality" music with the human voice.

Oh....If you don't know what song the "1st space shuttle launch" is..I can see why there's a problem here.

 

[GINeric]

LOL..."quality to them". Could be, maybe...but...not sure they are concerned about "quality".

SO you are trying to tell me there's ZERO difference between nickelback and Dixie Dregs...musically. Quality. Adeptness.

Dude. I think you are why we get shtty music.

I kid.....sorry!

I believe we get shtty music nowadays because people don't invest in their craft like they used to as a whole. Plus we definitely live in the "microwave music era". There are more labels out to distribute their own music opposed to maybe 10 to 15 major labels globally years ago.

 

[Techsass]

That is so cool. That kid will remember this forever.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I believe we get shtty music nowadays because people don't invest in their craft like they used to as a whole. Plus we definitely live in the "microwave music era". There are more labels out to distribute their own music opposed to maybe 10 to 15 major labels globally years ago.

Agreed. We used to be able to call up the radio station and request local or little known bands. Now it's force fed from corporate headquarters.

There are avenues to find good music it rarely exists in the popular arena.

 

[RonWashington]

Well my point was about Dak at a country music show, so i singled out country. If someone is consistently selling 2 to 3+ million albums everytime they drop a new one, then it must be pretty good music. Numbers don't lie.

Mr Ron MacDonald sells lots of burgers wouldn’t exactly go by “ the numbers “ ….anyhow hope Dak tipped the valet well .

 

[GINeric]

Mr Ron MacDonald sells lots of burgers wouldn’t exactly go by “ the numbers “ ….anyhow hope Dak tipped the valet well .

Burgers and the music business are two totally different things, so you can totally go by the numbers in most instances. Glad i can help!!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Burgers and the music business are two totally different things, so you can totally go by the numbers in most instances. Glad i can help!!

They actually aren't any different at all. Either sales numbers determine quality, or not. You can;t pick and choose to suit your agenda.

I suppose we have a definition problem here.... "Good" music. Rightly so...it's kind of subjective in some ways.

You trust the "popular" sales to determine it. I, and apparently some others, think that is a mistake.

The GOOD thing is...like food....you can consume what you enjoy.

 

[GINeric]

They actually aren't any different at all. Either sales numbers determine quality, or not. You can;t pick and choose to suit your agenda.

I suppose we have a definition problem here.... "Good" music. Rightly so...it's kind of subjective in some ways.

You trust the "popular" sales to determine it. I, and apparently some others, think that is a mistake.

The GOOD thing is...like food....you can consume what you enjoy.

Pretty much anybody can cook a good burger. There's not alot of people who can write, produce, and perform a great song.

If you have a couple of dollars, you can buy a McDonald's that mass produce good burgers.

Those same couple of dollars could not pay for the production and the operations of a successful music label. Even though you fund a major label, it doesn't mass produce good music like McDonald's mass produce good burgers.

So comparing music production to burger production is not a good example.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Pretty much anybody can cook a good burger. There's not alot of people who can write, produce, and perform a great song.

If you have a couple of dollars, you can buy a McDonald's that mass produce good burgers.

Those same couple of dollars could not pay for the production and the operations of a successful music label. Even though you fund a major label, it doesn't mass produce good music like McDonald's mass produce good burgers.

So comparing music production to burger production is not a good example.

You can make...produce...good listenable music these days for pretty cheap...by comparison to say 20-30 years ago. It can be very good music... of value and adeptness..regardless.

You can make very adept music without the high priced studio. The production may, or may not lack....but as I said....pretty cheap these days. You could probably by studio hardware and software for around a grand....and then mass produce your songs for pennies on those dollars.

PC/Interface/Mic/recording suite. PAy for pro mastering. You could even start a record company of your own. If it's good music you'll get a deal by the big shots (with some caveats of course like show attendance/multimedia presence).

Steve Vai made his first recording Flexable on 4track cassette tape recorder. It's not for everyone (obviously), but it is of very high musical adeptness and surprising audio quality. . It, along with his Frank Zappa gig shot him out the canon. Of course...REAL musical talent too.


The problem here is you never said "how much does it cost to produce". You claimed "sell numbers don't lie". In regards to the QUALITY of the music. It's just incorrect.

And now you reveal you think McDonalds is "a good burger". The..."numbers don;t lie"?

 

[GINeric]

You can make...produce...good listenable music these days for pretty cheap...by comparison to say 20-30 years ago. It can be very good music... of value and adeptness..regardless.

You can make very adept music without the high priced studio. The production may, or may not lack....but as I said....pretty cheap these days. You could probably by studio hardware and software for around a grand....and then mass produce your songs for pennies on those dollars.

PC/Interface/Mic/recording suite. PAy for pro mastering. You could even start a record company of your own. If it's good music you'll get a deal by the big shots (with some caveats of course like show attendance/multimedia presence).

Steve Vai made his first recording Flexable on 4track cassette tape recorder. It's not for everyone (obviously), but it is of very high musical adeptness and surprising audio quality. . It, along with his Frank Zappa gig shot him out the canon. Of course...REAL musical talent too.


The problem here is you never said "how much does it cost to produce". You claimed "sell numbers don't lie". In regards to the QUALITY of the music. It's just incorrect.

And now you reveal you think McDonalds is "a good burger". The..."numbers don;t lie"?

Lol!!! No i wasn't referring specifically to McDonald's, i just used the franchise as an example of burger production. Maybe i should have said Five Guys, they're better burgers lol!!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Lol!!! No i wasn't referring specifically to McDonald's, i just used the franchise as an example of burger production. Maybe i should have said Five Guys, they're better burgers lol!!