Dak needed the Mahomes shot

[blueblood70]

People say good-luck about finding an elite QB like Burrows or Mahomes..

You've already got Herbert and Allen showed enough 2 years ago, he has what it takes, meaning you've basically have 4-5 within the last 4 years that show that a good OC, let alone great (usually a result of a good OC having a great QB) can legitimately build an offense around that would have any franchise excited for years to come.

One the other hand, we have "the JG in training QB" in Dak, who when Cooper Rush was winning games, said that this is all Moore needs to do with Dak, meaning run the same game management offense, to finally go deep in the playoffs, and now they are crying that it's all Moore's fault because Dak apparently couldn't "throw it deep". A few years back they were telling us all we needed is Jon Kitna and Mark Sanchez to get the most out of doubt in this offense. It's great the amount of creativity Dak-zealots can come up with to backtrack what needs to be done to justify it's not his fault after it clearly is his fault.

Herberts done absolutely nothing, thats less then dak did his first 3 seasons with a stacked offense, a big zero when it counts, a stat builder, you know lie some here call dak garbage time. Well that all Herberts done. By this time in Daks career he made the payoff twice and won a playoff game.

Allen nearly had 4 TOs in one playoff game. Sure, nice examples of other players who have made the same OR worse mistakes that cost their team games but really the team lost those games.

Dak has no losing seasons, in fact 4 of his healthy seasons, all playoff berths 166 tds to only 65 INt 26 more rushing tds, RPOTY honors, and outside of some tough luck INTs this season all his other stats were top 5 once he returned ie scoring, rz scoring %, 3rd down % and did this when he did NOT have the same luxury of shut down d, run game, or STs that rush had when he barely moved the offense and had us bottom 10..lmao

nice try making that comp but no context on how the defense in many games in the back half blew leads, gave up 240+ rushing yards, allowed more scores, STs started choking, and OL getting injured and reshuffled and didn't pay well ..righht..good bias comments.

or a better OL, OC , offensive scheme, and run game. that what was missing down the stretch, period end of story. big difference between Reid, his offense, and the way they ran the ball down the throats of the might beagles DL/LB groups in the 2nd half., PM was efficient but look at the TEAM..

tired of pick on dak threads when his OL, run game, and most skilled player plus OC and play calls all trash in the 9er game. sorry, that's a fact..

OH BTW Dak and that offense still after 17 games and all playoffs pus the SB out up more points against that eagle D than any other team did,. 40 burgers, being down 10 twice DAK brought them back and won. ironic huh.

and before you say it the KC offense got the benefit of 2 fumbles and huge punt return to aid those 38 points,

but hey lets have more dak hate threads without proper context.

Lastly Mahomes type don't come up available maybe once a decade or longer. so sure, dial it up and bring one here. Burrows the other qb to throw 2 ints and didn't he fumble as well in that playoff game? he got beat by cooper fn rush! Josh had 4 Tos in the playoffs, Trevor 5 tos, year before Stafford 17ints plus 2 in the SB and guess what teams won anyway,

TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM matters.

 

[jazzcat22]

My bad, it was catch17

You know football? Debatable when you think guys like dalton is better than Dak.

When you don’t understand the relation to the qb and the team around him.

Or what playing the #1 defense in the nfl can do to a qb.

I NEVER said Dalton was better than Dak.
I said they could win some games with Dalton.

As I said you are always making stuff up. And I DO KNOW football and the team concept.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I NEVER said Dalton was better than Dak.
I said they could win some games with Dalton.

As I said you are always making stuff up. And I DO KNOW football and the team concept.

Stop lying. You said a lot of things about dalton and Dak and looked silly on all of it. You 100% said dalton would play better than Dak and run the offense better. You called it “dalton efficiency” lol

So let’s talk about zeke and pollard and coaching.

You’re astute enough to see how much zeke sucks and the potential in pollard.

Yet you fail miserably to see how the horrid coaching decision to feature zeke over pollard has hampered the offenses ability.

Never ever mention it. It’s just all the qbs fault.

Sorry, that’s not understanding football buddy,

 

[tm1119]

Mahomes likes to limp around a lot on the field.

Like my dog....that will get 1 intsey bintsey boo boo on a single toe on his paw, and will hold it up in the air like it was broken in 10 spots and walk around all pathetic on 3 legs.

Then 5 min later, he sees a squirrel, and goes flying after it on all fours like a bat out of hail.

Mahomes would be a good flopper in soccer.

Huh? Did you not see the man’s ankle nearly fold in half 3 weeks prior? It was as legit of a high ankle sprain as you’ll see, that’s a 4-6 week injury for 99.9% of humans on earth. The fact that he played the next week in the AFC Championship game actually doesn’t get talked about enough as the incredible feat it was.

 

[blueblood70]

The Cowboys with Moore were the number 1 red-zone offense in the league this year, ahead of both the Chiefs and Eagles and were the number 1 second-half scoring offense in the league. Dak doesn't thread needles, he delivers the ball late, which is why the "yards per separation" stat is obfuscated for our "franchise QB'...

Dak would basically be like Alex Smith with a bigger arm, but less intelligence with Reid as he isn't nor will he ever be on the level of Mahomes or any of the elite QBs... he doesn't possess the ability to process the field quickly, his mechanics break down way too easily, his pocket presence at times gets pee-wee level and he can't read a defense Even McCarthy admitted this year that Dak had trouble with quarter coverages from the Titans game onwards.

Dak is a system QB, who can't elevate an OC and needs and OC to baby-sit him.

but Reid didn't win BIG with smith but also not with Mcnabb and Mcnabb is Dak best pro comp and at least Reid got Macnabb to a few NFCCGs and SB even in losing. a better coach and offense would help the entire offense, period and that why the Change was made.,. Period.

Reid and Mahomes is Big Bil and TB12 they both are the reason for the winning as a couple. BB doesn't look the same and his decisions on how to use the OC position with 2 coaches and back and forth with 2 qbs was horrible last year, it showed with the QB paly and overall, TEAM results, Ironic TB leaves and BB no longer looks unbeatable and as smart. same with tb12 in TB, Arians leaves and look what happens.

yes, coaching matters. period

 

[jazzcat22]

Stop lying. You said a lot of things about dalton and Dak and looked silly on all of it. You 100% said dalton would play better than Dak and run the offense better. You called it “dalton efficiency” lol

Man you are so way off....I NEVER said anything like that. You obviously have me confused with someone else....or as I said always making stuff up....

 

[Miller]

Huh? Did you not see the man’s ankle nearly fold in half 3 weeks prior? It was as legit of a high ankle sprain as you’ll see, that’s a 4-6 week injury for 99.9% of humans on earth. The fact that he played the next week in the AFC Championship game actually doesn’t get talked about enough as the incredible feat it was.

Agree! I already made a comment but this board is full of people who think knocking top players down somehow builds ours up. It’s bizarre

 

[khiladi]

I NEVER said Dalton was better than Dak.
I said they could win some games with Dalton.

As I said you are always making stuff up. And I DO KNOW football and the team concept.

Actually, what was stated was Dalton could win with the same loaded line-up with Dak. All we found out from 2021 is Dalton had a much better statistical output of QB play in the last 5 minutes than Dak and that was without Zach Martin, he beat the Giants with the same game-plan as Dak when Dak got injured and Moore took the ball out of Dak's hands and put it in the RBs hands before the injury. Dak was 1-4 and had like 7 TOs in 2021. The only thing he had going for him over Dalton was the ability to wrack up garbage time stats better than Dalton, but none of us Dak-haters think he isn't top 10 among QBs in notching a bunch of meaningless stats in garbage time. He does better than anybody in the league.

Dalton actually won more games than Dak did in 2021 with an even more battered roster and after the bye, he was like 3 out of 4 wins.

Not sure what these Dak zealots are yapping about.

 

[EST_1986]

We all observed Mahomes wince in pain and barley walking. After an alleged shot he was running the iggles defense ragged .

Today at Disneyland, witnesses observed Mahomes dancing and walking on the SB parade float.

Dallas doctors need to get this miracle shot.

Dak also needs that Mahomes arm, Mahomes legs and Mahomes brain

 

[CowboyRoy]

Man you are so way off....I NEVER said anything like that. You obviously have me confused with someone else....or as I said always making stuff up....

No your right. Its Catch17.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually, what was stated was Dalton could win with the same loaded line-up with Dak. All we found out from 2021 is Dalton had a much better statistical output of QB play in the last 5 minutes than Dak and that was without Zach Martin, he beat the Giants with the same game-plan as Dak when Dak got injured and Moore took the ball out of Dak's hands and put it in the RBs hands before the injury. Dak was 1-4 and had like 7 TOs in 2021. The only thing he had going for him over Dalton was the ability to wrack up garbage time stats better than Dalton, but none of us Dak-haters think he isn't top 10 among QBs in notching a bunch of meaningless stats in garbage time. He does better than anybody in the league.

Dalton actually won more games than Dak did in 2021 with an even more battered roster and after the bye, he was like 3 out of 4 wins.

Not sure what these Dak zealots are yapping about.

Sorry, wrong again as usual. Dalton averaged something like 20 points per game and Dak was well over 30 points per game. It wasnt even close. Dak was 2-3 and leading in the Giants game when he got hurt. He had also played a much better schedule than Dalton.

Dak IS a top 10 QB. LOL

Those are the facts that continue to haunt you and your claim that Dak was nothing more than a backup material bus driver.

back to back 12-5 season, playoffs and a playoff win this year proves once again you know little about football and less about QB's.

While you predicted doom and gloom the Cowboys and Dak have been making the playoffs.

Your abilities amount to recognizing that Mahomes is great and we would be better off with mahomes over Dak. LOL

 

[khiladi]

Sorry, wrong again as usual. Dalton averaged something like 20 points per game and Dak was well over 30 points per game. It wasnt even close. Dak was 2-3 and leading in the Giants game when he got hurt. He had also played a much better schedule than Dalton.

Dak IS a top 10 QB. LOL

Those are the facts that continue to haunt you and your claim that Dak was nothing more than a backup material bus driver.

back to back 12-5 season, playoffs and a playoff win this year proves once again you know little about football and less about QB's.

While you predicted doom and gloom the Cowboys and Dak have been making the playoffs.

Your abilities amount to recognizing that Mahomes is great and we would be better off with mahomes over Dak. LOL

Actually, I'm right again and as is obvious your post is about as accurate as Dak's throws addressing none of what I stated...


What you are trying to do is shift the argument to "it was the defense's fault" as opposed to the fact that Dallas had to play catch-up, because Dak kept fumbling and throwing INTs. Yes, they averaged more points, but "well over" 30 pts in GARBAGE TIME, while Dalton's QB Play in the last five minutes was superior to Dak, meaning the QB play of Dak clearly reflected he was just notching up numbers in soft zones. Hell, if Atlanta fell on the ball properly they would have been 0-5 with Dak. There is nothing wrong with what I stated.

Also, as I stated regarding the Giants game, yes they got a lead with Dak in the game, but like I said in my post, that is when Moore took the ball out of Dak's hand and put it in the hands of the RBs which is well documented in the full play-by-play. And as I stated Dalton had no problems coming in with Martin blocking for him and running the same offense Dak was and pulling out the victory, including throwing the same go route Michael Gallup was catching all season long.

And what happened was Rush was 4-1 and as usual, it was the Dak fans who panicked, and just like with Dalton they started telling us how these QBs were winning because of the defense, not QB play. Facts are they had better records with these QBs and suddenyl Dak stans were telling us that Moore needs to use the same game management plan he is using for Rush, for Dak.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually, I'm write again...

As I said, 30 pts in GARBAGE TIME STATS, while Dalton's QB Play in the last five minutes was superior to Dak... There is nothing wrong with what I stated. What you are trying to do is shift the argument to "it was the defense's fault".

Maybe in your QB challenged dream world Dalton is better than Dak.

Like I said, your knowledge of football and QB play has much to be desired.

Your "garbage time" theory has been laughed off the board and disproved many times as is most of your overzealous rants.

I said nothing about defense. Another attempt at you to change the subject or lie.

So the Cowboys went 12-5 AGAIN and made the playoffs AGAIN and we won a playoff game this year with Dak totally dominating throwing for 300 yards and 5 TD's. And I guess you think this kind of season makes you look good?

Why because we lost to the Niners and their #1 defense shut down our offense?

Typical troll, cherry picking nonsense.

 

[jazzcat22]

Actually, I'm write again...

As I said, 30 pts in GARBAGE TIME STATS, while Dalton's QB Play in the last five minutes was superior to Dak... There is nothing wrong with what I stated. What you are trying to do is shift the argument to "it was the defense's fault".

That argument is so old...garbage time stats...there is no such thing...
No matter the QB or player.

So Emmitt Smith has the rushing record based on garbage stats according to your logic? As he gained a lot of yards in the 4th quarter or 2nd half of games once the had a good lead.
That is football 101.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That argument is so old...garbage time stats...there is no such thing...
No matter the QB or player.

So Emmitt Smith has the rushing record based on garbage stats according to your logic? As he gained a lot of yards in the 4th quarter or 2nd half of games once the had a good lead.
That is football 101.

Hes actually reading the entire thing wrong. When a QB scores lots of points in the 2nd half and 4th quarter to bring his team back from a deficit thats a great thing.

"Garbage time" LOL

Nothing heard anything more pathetic trying to insult a player.

 

[Kingofholland]

McNabb was one of the highest rated QBs in his draft class which is why he was the second overall pick. He was expected to be a real good QB. If anything Philly was hoping for more than what they got from him.

McNabb wasn't a very accurate passer, and wasn't the most athletic scrambler. Yes he was a high pick due to his college resume, but I don't think he would have achieved nearly the same success without Reid.

In a sense he over achieved for his skill set, not his draft status.

 

[KJJ]

McNabb wasn't a very accurate passer, and wasn't the most athletic scrambler. Yes he was a high pick due to his college resume, but I don't think he would have achieved nearly the same success without Reid.

In a sense he over achieved for his skill set, not his draft status.

QBs make head coaches and they can get them fired. That’s my opinion. None of the great head coaches would’ve ever become great had they not had a great QB. Things have gone sour for Belichick without Brady. Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs are the only coaches I can think of off the top of my head to reach the Hall of Fame without a Hall of Fame QB. Donovan McNabb was a terrific scrambler and was a load to bring down. He would have defenders draped all over him and pull away to make plays. He was just a shade below a Hall of Fame QB. Now Andy Reid has a real prodigy at the position in Mahomes. He’s taken Reid’s coaching career to another level.

 

[madcow74]

We all observed Mahomes wince in pain and barley walking. After an alleged shot he was running the iggles defense ragged .

Today at Disneyland, witnesses observed Mahomes dancing and walking on the SB parade float.

Dallas doctors need to get this miracle shot.

Maybe it's just that stuff they spray on soccer players that makes them jump up instantly after they were writhing in pain

 

[madcow74]

They need to inject Dak with some of his DNA.

Ewwww

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We all observed Mahomes wince in pain and barley walking. After an alleged shot he was running the iggles defense ragged .

Today at Disneyland, witnesses observed Mahomes dancing and walking on the SB parade float.

Dallas doctors need to get this miracle shot.

Did I sense some snark, lad?
You imply a miracle with a wink.
I infer Mahomes drama.

Goodly, then, happy campers!