Dak needed the Mahomes shot

[GimmeTheBall!]

They need to inject Dak with some of his DNA.

Hear! Hear!
Some decorum, please?
Mods, punish him accordingly!

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Don't go that far.

He's already there

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Herberts done absolutely nothing, thats less then dak did his first 3 seasons with a stacked offense, a big zero when it counts, a stat builder, you know lie some here call dak garbage time. Well that all Herberts done. By this time in Daks career he made the payoff twice and won a playoff game.

Allen nearly had 4 TOs in one playoff game. Sure, nice examples of other players who have made the same OR worse mistakes that cost their team games but really the team lost those games.

Dak has no losing seasons, in fact 4 of his healthy seasons, all playoff berths 166 tds to only 65 INt 26 more rushing tds, RPOTY honors, and outside of some tough luck INTs this season all his other stats were top 5 once he returned ie scoring, rz scoring %, 3rd down % and did this when he did NOT have the same luxury of shut down d, run game, or STs that rush had when he barely moved the offense and had us bottom 10..lmao

nice try making that comp but no context on how the defense in many games in the back half blew leads, gave up 240+ rushing yards, allowed more scores, STs started choking, and OL getting injured and reshuffled and didn't pay well ..righht..good bias comments.

or a better OL, OC , offensive scheme, and run game. that what was missing down the stretch, period end of story. big difference between Reid, his offense, and the way they ran the ball down the throats of the might beagles DL/LB groups in the 2nd half., PM was efficient but look at the TEAM..

tired of pick on dak threads when his OL, run game, and most skilled player plus OC and play calls all trash in the 9er game. sorry, that's a fact..

OH BTW Dak and that offense still after 17 games and all playoffs pus the SB out up more points against that eagle D than any other team did,. 40 burgers, being down 10 twice DAK brought them back and won. ironic huh.

and before you say it the KC offense got the benefit of 2 fumbles and huge punt return to aid those 38 points,

but hey lets have more dak hate threads without proper context.

Lastly Mahomes type don't come up available maybe once a decade or longer. so sure, dial it up and bring one here. Burrows the other qb to throw 2 ints and didn't he fumble as well in that playoff game? he got beat by cooper fn rush! Josh had 4 Tos in the playoffs, Trevor 5 tos, year before Stafford 17ints plus 2 in the SB and guess what teams won anyway,

TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM matters.

Anyone care to answer even ONE of his points? Anyone ? Just one. Take a point you re choice. Anybody ? Hello ?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I just had mac and cheese from autozone

had the reverse effects of what Mahomes had last night

i think i might be sick

You brought it on yourself. Suffer. Heal.
J, going forward, stick with 7-Eleven roast beef sandwiches (O, the rrrrhhhhoast beef of England!)
Glenview Superette has 72-ounce cups of soda and GREAT nachos, lad.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I will take a clone of Mahomes over Dak.

 

[khiladi]

That argument is so old...garbage time stats...there is no such thing...
No matter the QB or player.

So Emmitt Smith has the rushing record based on garbage stats according to your logic? As he gained a lot of yards in the 4th quarter or 2nd half of games once the had a good lead.
That is football 101.

There actually is such a thing as garbage time stats as Dak was padding stats in LOSSES and SOFT zones just meant to keep everything inside and burn time, while that’s the exact opposite of Emmitt when Dallas pulled away in the 4th as their consistently wore down their opponents to pull away in the 4th who were trying to stop Emmitt..

 

[blueblood70]

That argument is so old...garbage time stats...there is no such thing...
No matter the QB or player.

So Emmitt Smith has the rushing record based on garbage stats according to your logic? As he gained a lot of yards in the 4th quarter or 2nd half of games once the had a good lead.
That is football 101.

 

[blueblood70]

QBs make head coaches and they can get them fired. That’s my opinion. None of the great head coaches would’ve ever become great had they not had a great QB. Things have gone sour for Belichick without Brady. Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs are the only coaches I can think of off the top of my head to reach the Hall of Fame without a Hall of Fame QB. Donovan McNabb was a terrific scrambler and was a load to bring down. He would have defenders draped all over him and pull away to make plays. He was just a shade below a Hall of Fame QB. Now Andy Reid has a real prodigy at the position in Mahomes. He’s taken Reid’s coaching career to another level.

Really you trash Dak here and call Mcnabb a shade below HOF , seriously?? Dak and Macnabb are a great comp but Daks numbers are slightly higher in all levels and without the help of an Andy Reid type..
Seriously DM played in 16 playoff games and had 24tds and 17 ints 4 rushing tds that 1 int per game, 9-7 record over far more games and years so far.

i mean shade below HOF ok so is Dak who has had far worse teams and yet his td-int ratio is nearly the same or better in the playoffs 11 td 5 ints 4 rushing tds in 6 games. its a team game and coaching does matter,. Mcnabb had a better team and coaches yet Dak RS is better ie less mistakes better compl % etc etc

6 seasons RS Dak also wins.. 167 tds 65ints and 26 rushing tds ,67% comp %
13 seasons for DM 234tds, 117 ints 29 rushing tds, 59% compl %

Mcnabb

G
167
AV
138
QBrec
98-62-1
Cmp%
59.0
Yds
37276
Y/A
6.9
TD
234
Int
117
FantPt
2636.2


Dak
97
AV
88
QBrec
61-36-0
Cmp%
66.6
Yds
24943
Y/A
7.6
Td
166
Int
65
FantPt
1825.

 

[khiladi]

Maybe in your QB challenged dream world Dalton is better than Dak.

Like I said, your knowledge of football and QB play has much to be desired.

Your "garbage time" theory has been laughed off the board and disproved many times as is most of your overzealous rants.

I said nothing about defense. Another attempt at you to change the subject or lie.

So the Cowboys went 12-5 AGAIN and made the playoffs AGAIN and we won a playoff game this year with Dak totally dominating throwing for 300 yards and 5 TD's. And I guess you think this kind of season makes you look good?

Why because we lost to the Niners and their #1 defense shut down our offense?

Typical troll, cherry picking nonsense.

Hes actually reading the entire thing wrong. When a QB scores lots of points in the 2nd half and 4th quarter to bring his team back from a deficit thats a great thing.

"Garbage time" LOL

Nothing heard anything more pathetic trying to insult a player.

Unlike Dak, Cooper Rush brought his team back to within 3 against the Eagles and a whole 4th quarter to play. But the defense “collapsed” per Dak Stan’s logic with like a 8-9 minute scoring drive.

By Dak-Stan logic, Rush should be 5-0, but the defense blew it…

 

[khiladi]

Herberts done absolutely nothing, thats less then dak did his first 3 seasons with a stacked offense, a big zero when it counts, a stat builder, you know lie some here call dak garbage time. Well that all Herberts done. By this time in Daks career he made the payoff twice and won a playoff game.

Allen nearly had 4 TOs in one playoff game. Sure, nice examples of other players who have made the same OR worse mistakes that cost their team games but really the team lost those games.

Dak has no losing seasons, in fact 4 of his healthy seasons, all playoff berths 166 tds to only 65 INt 26 more rushing tds, RPOTY honors, and outside of some tough luck INTs this season all his other stats were top 5 once he returned ie scoring, rz scoring %, 3rd down % and did this when he did NOT have the same luxury of shut down d, run game, or STs that rush had when he barely moved the offense and had us bottom 10..lmao

nice try making that comp but no context on how the defense in many games in the back half blew leads, gave up 240+ rushing yards, allowed more scores, STs started choking, and OL getting injured and reshuffled and didn't pay well ..righht..good bias comments.

or a better OL, OC , offensive scheme, and run game. that what was missing down the stretch, period end of story. big difference between Reid, his offense, and the way they ran the ball down the throats of the might beagles DL/LB groups in the 2nd half., PM was efficient but look at the TEAM..

tired of pick on dak threads when his OL, run game, and most skilled player plus OC and play calls all trash in the 9er game. sorry, that's a fact..

OH BTW Dak and that offense still after 17 games and all playoffs pus the SB out up more points against that eagle D than any other team did,. 40 burgers, being down 10 twice DAK brought them back and won. ironic huh.

and before you say it the KC offense got the benefit of 2 fumbles and huge punt return to aid those 38 points,

but hey lets have more dak hate threads without proper context.

Lastly Mahomes type don't come up available maybe once a decade or longer. so sure, dial it up and bring one here. Burrows the other qb to throw 2 ints and didn't he fumble as well in that playoff game? he got beat by cooper fn rush! Josh had 4 Tos in the playoffs, Trevor 5 tos, year before Stafford 17ints plus 2 in the SB and guess what teams won anyway,

TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM matters.

So basically, every other QB has a better team and doesn’t have injuries, has the best coaches in the world, but Dak is surrounded by trash and has to deal with multiple injuries including awful coaches. Please tell me how Dak did when Zeke was suspended for 6 games in year 2, meaning just 1 player and how Dak was doing per-Amari trade and even after against zone coverages in year 3 so that we can gage if Dak was really “carrying the team” the first three years?

if Dak was such a legend in those years, why did Jerry say all this after the season as reported by Dallas News in

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says QB Dak Prescott will be better for 2017 struggles​

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones voiced his support for quarterback Dak Prescott, despite Prescott's struggles and a lackluster passing game in his second season in 2017.

"We will spend hours and hours reviewing and looking at better ways to help Dak win games for us," Jones said Tuesday during his regular radio show on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM].

"He obviously didn't have the year stat-wise or the most important one of all, we didn't win the games that we won the first year. ...I can't tell you how excited I am about our future with Dak Prescott and getting the job done. Winning games. Now, he's got to have some serious help. He's got to have it from the scheme, he's got to have it from everything we call on because it's that competitive in the NFL. But boy, he's got everything to do it.

"He's physical, he can throw the ball well enough, he can handle adversity, he can prepare. ...I'll assure you this, I'll say this unequivocally, Dak is so much better prepared to have a winning season and have us meet our expectations in his third year than he was going into his second because of the very experience that he's had, the adversity that he's had. That's costly stuff to get adversity. We lost a lot of games with [Cowboys great Troy] Aikman early. You pay a high price to get this experience, but we've got it."

Or this, as reported in Blogging the Boys in 2018:

Dak Prescott has done something that hasn’t happened since Quincy Carter in 2003​

Not exactly great company to be in.

Dak Prescott has hardly had a beginning to this season that would make fantasy football owners proud. Things were definitely a bit interesting for him in Week 2 against the Giants when he accumulated a fair amount of yardage on the ground, but Dak has had trouble passing this season (not exactly the sentence you want to be true of your quarterback).

The third year signal-caller has yet to even eclipse 200 passing yards in a single game this season. This streak goes back to last year making it five games in a row where Dak didn’t cross the threshold. That’s not good.

Like what are you trying to sell here bro?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Unlike Dak, Cooper Rush brought his team back to within 3 against the Eagles and a whole 4th quarter to play. But the defense “collapsed” per Dak Stan’s logic with like a 8-9 minute scoring drive.

By Dak-Stan logic, Rush should be 5-0, but the defense blew it…

You mean rush that threw 3 picks?

Hypocrite much?

 

[jazzcat22]

There actually is such a thing as garbage time stats as Dak was padding stats in LOSSES and SOFT zones just meant to keep everything inside and burn time, while that’s the exact opposite of Emmitt when Dallas pulled away in the 4th as their consistently wore down their opponents to pull away in the 4th who were trying to stop Emmitt..

BS...I am not by any means defending Dak...but this is pure BS.
It is made up and used by the ultimate Dak haters.

 

[Vtwin]

BS...I am not by any means defending Dak...but this is pure BS.
It is made up and used by the ultimate Dak haters.

You act like the term "garbage time" was coined especially for Dak.

"Garbage time" has existed as a 'thing' as long as I can remember. If anything, the denying of "garbage time" as a 'thing' is a new creation.

Defenses softening up a bit with a big lead and playing to kill time and avoid the quick strike, has existed longer than you or I have existed. Not to mention the inherent human nature that can influence behavior when there is no feeling of pressure.

It can't be denied by any rationally thinking person that it is easier to throw against a defense that is rushing only four, and content to give up the short stuff to protect against the big stuff.

 

[GMO415]

Dak has fallen behind Daniel Jones .

Ouch

 

[jazzcat22]

You act like the term "garbage time" was coined especially for Dak.

"Garbage time" has existed as a 'thing' as long as I can remember. If anything, the denying of "garbage time" as a 'thing' is a new creation.

Defenses softening up a bit with a big lead and playing to kill time and avoid the quick strike, has existed longer than you or I have existed. Not to mention the inherent human nature that can influence behavior when there is no feeling of pressure.

It can't be denied by any rationally thinking person that it is easier to throw against a defense that is rushing only four, and content to give up the short stuff to protect against the big stuff.

Actually garbage times stats applied to NBA & NCAA games.
However what are teams supposed to do, just stop playing.

It is like a college football game blow out. Even though the 3rd and 4th team guys are in, they are trying to work their way up the depth chart. Be next years starters. Even though the run the ball most the time, it is not like they try to run up the score.
Well some teams do at times.

No it was obviously not invented for Dak. I did not say it was. But it is used way too often for Dak by his haters.

Another thing we seen this last season how many teams overcame a 3 score or more lead to win the game. So are you saying if Dallas is down by 3 scores with an entire quarter left, and they come up 3 points short, that is garbage stats? What is Dak supposed to do, say hey coach, I don't want more stats since we may lose.

Some fans can be ridiculously clueless when it come to applying excuses for or against Dak.
I am not defending him here, just stating facts.

 

[khiladi]

You mean rush that threw 3 picks?

Hypocrite much?

Yeah and still brought the team back to within 3 but they defense blew it PER DAK STAN’S LOGIC…

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I seem to recall hearing that after a miserable showing last season Jalen Hurts hired his own private QB coach (can't remember his name) and spent the off season getting "coached up" and working on his short comings. Dak needs to do the same.

 

[khiladi]

BS...I am not by any means defending Dak...but this is pure BS.
It is made up and used by the ultimate Dak haters.

It’s actually not… when teams build huge lads they relax defensively and they play soft zones to keep everything inside to manage the game to burn out the clock.

Dak’s situational stats in the 4th quarter in 2020, +/- 7, meaning pretty much when behind and needing a TD:

22/36
167 yards
Whopping 4.6 YPC
0 TDs
1 INT
Sacked only 2 times on 36 attempts (plenty of pass protection)
Longest throw was 27 yards

Defenses were clearly playing soft and as soon as the game got close to ending, they tightened up and Dak turned into a check-down king and couldn’t put any meaningful points on the board.

This is the very definition of garbage stats.

Now if we look at Andy Dalton on the SAME TEAM, without Zach Martin and a patchwork OL:

26/40
215 yards
5.4 YPC
1TD
1 INT
Longest pass of 38 yards
Sacked 5 times, meaning had worse protection than Dak and still was netting more yardage per catch while the playbook had to be changed to get the ball out quicker after the bye

So like I said, even Andy Dalton performed better in “clutch” situations than our franchise stat-padding QB..

 

[khiladi]

I seem to recall hearing that after a miserable showing last season Jalen Hurts hired his own private QB coach (can't remember his name) and spent the off season getting "coached up" and working on his short comings. Dak needs to do the same.

Dak’s been doing that yearly. Dak is simply who he is.

https://www.rotoballer.com/player-news/dak-prescott-worked-on-mechanics-in-offseason/525297?amp=1

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ce-in-his-mechanics-after-offseason-work/amp/

 

[Vtwin]

Actually garbage times stats applied to NBA & NCAA games.
However what are teams supposed to do, just stop playing.

It is like a college football game blow out. Even though the 3rd and 4th team guys are in, they are trying to work their way up the depth chart. Be next years starters. Even though the run the ball most the time, it is not like they try to run up the score.
Well some teams do at times.

No it was obviously not invented for Dak. I did not say it was. But it is used way too often for Dak by his haters.

Another thing we seen this last season how many teams overcame a 3 score or more lead to win the game. So are you saying if Dallas is down by 3 scores with an entire quarter left, and they come up 3 points short, that is garbage stats? What is Dak supposed to do, say hey coach, I don't want more stats since we may lose.

Some fans can be ridiculously clueless when it come to applying excuses for or against Dak.
I am not defending him here, just stating facts.

All I am saying is that it is very common, for both strategic reasons and as a result of base human nature for defenses to back off, so to speak, with a big lead, making it easier to move the ball, or pass the puck leading to inflated stats in a losing effort. Nobody "quit playing". They just played differently, both strategically and in many cases due to not having the same mental edge due to the confidence in that big lead.

In other words, big stats accumulated in a back and forth shootout mean more than second half stats accumulated in a comeback attempt. There are many examples of Dak accumulating big numbers in that second scenario. That is just a fact.

The absolute denial of both the existence of garbage time scenarios and the possibility of getting stats, (aka taking what the defense gives you) in those scenarios, has been used excessively as a Dak defense by many on this forum. I've never witnessed either of those things in my five decades of sports fandom, until Dak came along.

To be clear, I was responding to this said by you, "It is made up and used by the ultimate Dak haters."

It is not "made up" to be "used by the ultimate Dak haters". Like anything else with a hint of controversy it may be exaggerated either way by both extremes to make their extreme point, but there is absolutely truth in it, as well.