Dak needs weapons, but these weapons need Dak!

[birdwells1]

We had Cooper for several years. Made no difference.

Yeah but you didn't say anything about the coaching and front office. Dak was 2 years old the last time this team was in the NFCCG, is that his fault too. I wonder who in this organization was around all that time? The Joneses!!!

 

[zeke21]

The one thing I will add , is every qb or offense needs good coaching , playbook, game mgmt, game plans.
Without those being good it is hard to be good, and this is what dallas has lacked since 2007.

Dallas should have beaten the giants in 2007 but they had inferior coaches, wade garrett etc. That cost them a shot at a SB run.
Same thing for 2014,2016,2021,2022.
Coaches make a difference, and jerry wont hire a good HC , tries to create a OC in kellen, tried to create a HC with garrett, and he
hires Mike, cause he heard bells, and he says he wants mike here a long time lol.
I dont think mike is a good HC, he is avg, typical nfl HC. Him getting cowboys to a SB is unlikely, and winning one is even more unlikely.

I read here all the time how many weapons does dak need? lol, but how many does Mike need??
It all starts and ends with coaching, not the QB.
And I am not a fan of dak, but no qb can be good consistently, or in big games, with bad coaches.

I would wholeheartedly agree that our coaching is also a MAJOR reason we haven't had success.

Garrett specifically cost us 3 real chances imho. However I also believe that the lasting legacy of Garrett truly screwing us over was replacing Romo with Dak. One of the worst coaching decisions in history.

I also think a strong organisation would have fired MM after the playoff game mismanagement of the clock last year.. that was horrendous. And it wasn't the first time MM and/or coaches have cost us games through poor clock management.

However.. I am reluctant to blame it all on coaching.. Dak will be on to co-ordinator #3 or 4?? and his 2nd HC.. and still not success. So.. yeah there is that.

 

[baltcowboy]

You know it just dawned on me that some Cowboys fans think Dak was a wasted draft choice and consider him a bust like Jaylon Smith and Taco Charlton level bust.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeah but you didn't say anything about the coaching and front office. Dak was 2 years old the last time this team was in the NFCCG, is that his fault too. I wonder who in this organization was around all that time? The Joneses!!!

Oh I blame the Jones’s for paying him. Dumb contract.

 

[Cebrin]

Brady won a couple of rings with really only have Gronk as a reliable 'go to' weapon.

Mahomes only had Kelce for a while there.. I remember when they had that stat about no Chief WR had a touch down in something like 20 games in a row? (not sure how long.. but it was a scary stat)

Rodgers got the packers to the playoffs several times with very few weapons.

AND then lets look at this BS myth that Dak doesn't have weapons... he has stood behind a line that has CONSISTENTLY been ranked in the top 5 his whole career. Dak has never, ever had to play without a top 5 ranked line.. let that sink in.

Next up.. Dak has always had (other than that little bit before we got cooper) at least 1 true Pro Bowl level WR target, often he has had 2-3 quality targets.
Dak has always had the support of at least 1 pro bowl level Running Back (and this year Pollard was a gun)

Dak has always been supported by quality TEs.. sure not superstars but not duds either.

So.. Dak this season had 'weapons' in a top 3 Oline, CeeDee at WR (plus gallop and later Hilton), Pollard (and Zeke for short yardage), Semi Decent TE's.. That is not a QB that is being asked to do it all himself. That is more weapons than a lot of other QBs get to work with. Cooper Rush was able to use these 'weapons' to win 4 games ffs.

Please stop with the BS narrative that Dak needs more weapons. He is a bad QB.. end of story.

Not a Dakstan but comparing Brady to any QB in the league is pretty unfair lol. Also, I'd love to have had that trash division he played in during his glory days, and those defenses. Nevertheless, nobody is Brady.

 

[zeke21]

Not a Dakstan but comparing Brady to any QB in the league is pretty unfair lol. Also, I'd love to have had that trash division he played in during his glory days, and those defenses. Nevertheless, nobody is Brady.

I agree that Dak shouldn't be in the same conversation as Brady.

The issue is that Dak is being paid more money than Brady ever did.. both as a gross sum (inflation) and as a % of the cap.

I realise that people think we can assess dak 'in a vacuum' and the contract is irrelevant but for me it is highly relevant. If you go out that and demand elite money.. then you need to be prepared to be compared to an elite player at that position. Same as Zeke, same as Lawrence etc etc.

If Dak is on a 30M contract right now.. then my disappointment in him goes down.. because that would mean upgrades at 2 other skill positions.. but he isn't and that is a big problem. Dak walked into the room and demanded to be paid the highest QB contract in history.. and has failed to live up to that.

 

[cnuball21]

I agree that Dak shouldn't be in the same conversation as Brady.

The issue is that Dak is being paid more money than Brady ever did.. both as a gross sum (inflation) and as a % of the cap.

I realise that people think we can assess dak 'in a vacuum' and the contract is irrelevant but for me it is highly relevant. If you go out that and demand elite money.. then you need to be prepared to be compared to an elite player at that position. Same as Zeke, same as Lawrence etc etc.

If Dak is on a 30M contract right now.. then my disappointment in him goes down.. because that would mean upgrades at 2 other skill positions.. but he isn't and that is a big problem. Dak walked into the room and demanded to be paid the highest QB contract in history.. and has failed to live up to that.

Your disappointment should be in the Jones for the contract…not Dak.

He could’ve been for closer to 30 mil the year before we signed him.

Also - his contract isn’t keeping us from signing other players. The Jones are. The cap is a joke…easily manipulated if you want to.

They don’t want to.

 

[zeke21]

Your disappointment should be in the Jones for the contract…not Dak.

He could’ve been for closer to 30 mil the year before we signed him.

Also - his contract isn’t keeping us from signing other players. The Jones are. The cap is a joke…easily manipulated if you want to.

They don’t want to.

My thoughts on the Jones are pretty clear. I agree that it is not the players fault for extracting top dollar.

However I find it odd when supporters feel that a player can be discussed without context of their pay.

 

[cnuball21]

My thoughts on the Jones are pretty clear. I agree that it is not the players fault for extracting top dollar.

However I find it odd when supporters feel that a player can be discussed without context of their pay.

FAs are always overpaid…always. Especially QBs. Discussing Daks pay in relation to how he plays is kinda pointless IMO…again especially considering he could’ve been had for cheaper the year before.

 

[atlantacowboy]

For the Dak haters….

Do you think Dak is terrible or is he just not good enough?

Serious question.

Not a hater but I'm convinced he has hit his ceiling. The man problem isn't necessarily his arm talent but his decision making under pressure.

 

[Whyjerry]

Not a hater but I'm convinced he has hit his ceiling. The man problem isn't necessarily his arm talent but his decision making under pressure.

I am still in the camp that thinks he can play well with help. I think Moore was a terrible OC so I look forward to seeing what McCarthy can do. My biggest gripe with Dak is the inconsistency. Great vs Tampa. Terrible vs SF. While SF's defense was better it shouldn't have been that big of drop off. I think he has 2 years to prove he can be good enough and consistent. That said, Dallas needs to think about life after Dak now.

 

[McKDaddy]

For the Dak haters….

Do you think Dak is terrible or is he just not good enough?

Serious question.

For the zillionth time, he is far too often terrible when he needs to be at his best. Gosh awful inconsistency. It's not a one size fits all answer.

 

[Whyjerry]

For the zillionth time, he is far too often terrible when he needs to be at his best. Gosh awful inconsistency. It's not a one size fits all answer.

The inconsistency is the biggest issue. The gap between Tampa and SF was like the Grand Canyon. If he was 50% of that Tampa game Dallas probably beats SF.

 

[Cebrin]

I agree that Dak shouldn't be in the same conversation as Brady.

The issue is that Dak is being paid more money than Brady ever did.. both as a gross sum (inflation) and as a % of the cap.

I realise that people think we can assess dak 'in a vacuum' and the contract is irrelevant but for me it is highly relevant. If you go out that and demand elite money.. then you need to be prepared to be compared to an elite player at that position. Same as Zeke, same as Lawrence etc etc.

If Dak is on a 30M contract right now.. then my disappointment in him goes down.. because that would mean upgrades at 2 other skill positions.. but he isn't and that is a big problem. Dak walked into the room and demanded to be paid the highest QB

So what should they have done? Let him walk? If we tagged him for a 3rd time it would have cost the team $54,274,752. A snow ball effect would have cost us more restructures, lost players etc. I'm not happy with his play of late either, but here we are. I still think he can turn it around, but this reminds me of Romo all over again.

This is why you draft QB's to groom. This entire situation is 100% on Jerry Jones. He GM's on his heels instead of having any sort of preparation.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Is brain transplant real yet?

 

[Nav22]

Brady won a couple of rings with really only have Gronk as a reliable 'go to' weapon.

Mahomes only had Kelce for a while there.. I remember when they had that stat about no Chief WR had a touch down in something like 20 games in a row? (not sure how long.. but it was a scary stat)

Rodgers got the packers to the playoffs several times with very few weapons.

AND then lets look at this BS myth that Dak doesn't have weapons... he has stood behind a line that has CONSISTENTLY been ranked in the top 5 his whole career. Dak has never, ever had to play without a top 5 ranked line.. let that sink in.

Next up.. Dak has always had (other than that little bit before we got cooper) at least 1 true Pro Bowl level WR target, often he has had 2-3 quality targets.
Dak has always had the support of at least 1 pro bowl level Running Back (and this year Pollard was a gun)

Dak has always been supported by quality TEs.. sure not superstars but not duds either.

So.. Dak this season had 'weapons' in a top 3 Oline, CeeDee at WR (plus gallop and later Hilton), Pollard (and Zeke for short yardage), Semi Decent TE's.. That is not a QB that is being asked to do it all himself. That is more weapons than a lot of other QBs get to work with. Cooper Rush was able to use these 'weapons' to win 4 games ffs.

Please stop with the BS narrative that Dak needs more weapons. He is a bad QB.. end of story.

"Rodgers got the packers to the playoffs several times with very few weapons."

1) Nobody's saying Dak is an ALL-TIME GREAT like Aaron Rodgers

2) Dak/Rush did that this season

 

[cnuball21]

"Rodgers got the packers to the playoffs several times with very few weapons."

1) Nobody's saying Dak is an ALL-TIME GREAT like Aaron Rodgers

2) Dak/Rush did that this season

Dak got the Cowboys to the playoffs this year with few weapons. Who cares?

The 1 year Rodgers won the SB he had Jennings and and up and coming Jordy Nelson.

Rodgers is better than Dak and it still took him weapons to get it done.

 

[Nav22]

Dak got the Cowboys to the playoffs this year with few weapons. Who cares?

The 1 year Rodgers won the SB he had Jennings and and up and coming Jordy Nelson.

Rodgers is better than Dak and it still took him weapons to get it done.

That's the point.

Rodgers also had an incredible defense that year, even in the playoffs.

 

[cnuball21]

That's the point.

Rodgers also had an incredible defense that year, even in the playoffs.

I don’t know why football fans can’t understand this. Unless you have Brady / Mahomes there isn’t a QB that can drag a bad team to a Super Bowl. Even those guys needed help.

It’s like high school knowledge.