Dak outplayed Wentz

[jterrell]

sometimes their QBs make the WRs better. By being more accurate, throwing with anticipation.... you know that happens a lot.....

and sometimes good WRs make their QBs better... you know that happens a lot.

is Amari playing better now or with OAK?
Dak is averaging over 250 yards passing for game w Amari.

amazingly it works both ways.

 

[jterrell]

Sorry, you are right about the score. Still wasn't from a productive offense. I don't at all disagree that Philly's offense was just as bad, or maybe worse. It was mostly a bad offensive half all the way around. As for credit, I never said Dak doesn't deserve any, and in fact I have repeatedly said he played well, particularly on the last drive of the first half and in the 2nd half. He absolutely does deserve credit for playing well. All I'm saying is we didn't win only because of the matchup between Dak and Wentz. Dak easily had more help from his running game than Wentz did. I don't know where you are getting the notion that I'm praising and propping Philly - they didn't do what they had to in order to win. I'm only saying the Cowboys won with a balanced attack, whereas with Philly the burden was almost all on the QB.

No offense man but you are simply wrong. Like totally wrong... lol.
DAL dominated the first half and had the ball 20 minutes to PHI 10.
They weren't sharp or excellent but they didn't suck and the 75 yard drive by Dak with 90 second left put them up 10 points at half-time.
Having only scored 3 points in the first half PHI went pass happy. Wentz inflated his stats like many QBs do when trailing.
DAL did start giving up plays and points aplenty but Dak engineered two TD drives in the 4h quarter to put the game away.
And Wentz couldn't keep pace in the 4th quarter.
It really is that simple.
Dak outplayed Wentz and DAL never trailed, DAL won by 7.

 

[G2]

But I think most realistic fans can see that although Prescott played well, there's room for improvement. He can minimize his mistakes. Same goes for the entire offense.
Example, if he connects on a few open WRs, if the team didn't commit stupid penalties, if we made all of our FGs, if the defense played better, if Prescott didn't hold the ball too long a couple times that game isn't even close.

So while I'm pumped we won and the team fought hard as hell, in order for us to beat teams in the post season we need to clean all of that up.

 

[maxdallasfan]

Wentz is a product of the system. He's not that good. Foles proves this.

 

[OmerV]

No offense man but you are simply wrong. Like totally wrong... lol.
DAL dominated the first half and had the ball 20 minutes to PHI 10.
They weren't sharp or excellent but they didn't suck and the 75 yard drive by Dak with 90 second left put them up 10 points at half-time.
Having only scored 3 points in the first half PHI went pass happy. Wentz inflated his stats like many QBs do when trailing.
DAL did start giving up plays and points aplenty but Dak engineered two TD drives in the 4h quarter to put the game away.
And Wentz couldn't keep pace in the 4th quarter.
It really is that simple.
Dak outplayed Wentz and DAL never trailed, DAL won by 7.

You are talking about the team relative to the Eagles team, not Dak vs Wentz. As for that last drive of the half, I’ve said repeatedly that was a strong drive. Overall the offense wasn’t strong the first half though. The “team” was better than Phlly’s Team. And yes, Wentz couldn’t keep pace the 4th quarter. I never said otherwise. I just sai the reason wasn’t just because of Dak. A huge 2nd half by Elliott was an incredibly large part of that.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You don't think Dak benefitted from the running game? The fact the running game wasn't working in the first half doesn't mean Dak didn't benefit in the second half, and the reality is even when the running game wasn't working in the first half it still helped the passing game because the Eagles defense, as with every defense the Cowboys play, focuses first on stopping the run, which helps open things for the pass. The other reality is the only possession in the first half that the passing game was clicking was the very last one. Dak was not carrying the team throughout the first half. Frankly until the last possession of the half the entire offense was pretty pitiful - running and passing. We only scored the 3 points prior to that because of LVE's INT. I'll give Dak credit for an outstanding drive at the end of the half though, although there was a huge assist from the Eagles for calling those timeouts that stopped the clock and gave us the time needed.

Not in this game it didn't. The passing game forced the Philly defense to play wide rather than stack the box to stop their run. I believe that was because Dak was burning them with the pass and the Eagles couldn't stop it. But it all came down to the oline. They gave time for Dak to pass the ball. They also opened up big lanes for Zeke to run through.

All in all, we stopped being predictable. That threw Philly defense in a loop and how they should defend Dallas.

 

[jterrell]

But I think most realistic fans can see that although Prescott played well, there's room for improvement. He can minimize his mistakes. Same goes for the entire offense.
Example, if he connects on a few open WRs, if the team didn't commit stupid penalties, if we made all of our FGs, if the defense played better, if Prescott didn't hold the ball too long a couple times that game isn't even close.

So while I'm pumped we won and the team fought hard as hell, in order for us to beat teams in the post season we need to clean all of that up.

If the standard is for ANY QB to be perfect they will all fall massively short.

The key is to perform on 3rd down and in the 4th quarter when games are won.

Dak is still under 5 years experience and he isn't going to match Brees, Brady or Rodgers for mental play.
To have that expectation would be silly.
But he can do some other stuff like take hits and run for yardage to help balance that out a bit.
And of course he costs you 20m less on the cap so you should be a lot better around him.

Troy Aikman just said he'd extend Dak. Roger backs Dak too.
These guys know what they are talking about.

 

[CATCH17]

Wentz is a product of the system. He's not that good. Foles proves this.

Foles was not good except the Superbowl.

 

[jterrell]

You are talking about the team relative to the Eagles team, not Dak vs Wentz. As for that last drive of the half, I’ve said repeatedly that was a strong drive. Overall the offense wasn’t strong the first half though. The “team” was better than Phlly’s Team. And yes, Wentz couldn’t keep pace the 4th quarter. I never said otherwise. I just sai the reason wasn’t just because of Dak. A huge 2nd half by Elliott was an incredibly large part of that.

I know what you are saying but it is just wrong, lol.

Dallas and Dak came out and passed the ball better than Philly in the first half and that opened up the run game for Zeke.
DAL had the lead and moved the ball before Zeke got going.

Once Dak went into 2 minute stuff right before the half he was in fact very good.
Again the play by play is available.
You keep just saying things that have no meaning.

Dak outplayed Wentz period. It isn't even in question for anyone that seriously watched the game without an agenda.
Philly papers and radio admit it, it is all over the place in Philly.
You are tilting at windmills.

 

[aikemirv]

That’s not what happened. Check out the play-by-play.

Dak carried the offense completely in the 1st half, then Zeke ran wild in the 2nd half. So if anything, it was Dak’s passing that opened up the run.

Wentz lost the game because when it was time to make a play, he couldn’t do it. That 4th and 7 throw where he led Zach Ertz right into Jeff Heath short of the sticks was cute. We win.

Revisionist history again. Look where Ertz made the cut and then look where he ended up. The pass was high so there was absolutely no reason why Ertz should have moved back towards the line of scrimmage 2 yards from his cut. If Ertz moves 2 yards downfield from his cut the pass is perfect and a 1st down. Wentz made the pass, Ertz had the screwup - that is obvious and plain and simple!

 

[jterrell]

Foles was not good except the Superbowl.

bro... come on... he had over 100 QB rating every playoff game.
he was at 140+ for Minny.
he rolled.

 

[aria]

The fact that some of you rave about our secondary but try to argue that Dak is better than Wentz because he had a better game throwing against a bunch of scrubs is ridiculous.

 

[HungryLion]

Foles was not good except the Superbowl.

And Minnesota.

 

[jterrell]

Revisionist history again. Look where Ertz made the cut and then look where he ended up. The pass was high so there was absolutely no reason why Ertz should have moved back towards the line of scrimmage 2 yards from his cut. If Ertz moves 2 yards downfield from his cut the pass is perfect and a 1st down. Wentz made the pass, Ertz had the screwup - that is obvious and plain and simple!

the qb chose when and where to throw the ball.
ertz made the catch and was immediately tackled.

in that situation you throw the ball 1-2 yards passed the sticks so the receiver can come back to the ball.
reality is on replay he was a good yard and a half shy.
that's a bad qb read.
going to the guy everyone expects to get it and short of the sticks.
no bueno.

 

[CATCH17]

bro... come on... he had over 100 QB rating every playoff game.
he was at 140+ for Minny.
he rolled.

Ok.. Be that guy.. Wentz and Foles are system guys.

Just ignore Wentz's incredible talent.

 

[aikemirv]

But I think most realistic fans can see that although Prescott played well, there's room for improvement. He can minimize his mistakes. Same goes for the entire offense.
Example, if he connects on a few open WRs, if the team didn't commit stupid penalties, if we made all of our FGs, if the defense played better, if Prescott didn't hold the ball too long a couple times that game isn't even close.

So while I'm pumped we won and the team fought hard as hell, in order for us to beat teams in the post season we need to clean all of that up.

I thought Dak played well but I also say that the reason I feel he is not the real deal was on display in this game as well. He made some very nice throws. He is capable of making throws and moving the ball down the field.

What holds Dak back is not the throws he makes, it's the ones he does not make(throw), the ones very late, and his pocket awareness and movement. If he does not fix those issues he will have a limited career. While his accuracy is suspect, he does have a completion percentage that is adequate for good NFL success.

 

[OmerV]

I know what you are saying but it is just wrong, lol.

Dallas and Dak came out and passed the ball better than Philly in the first half and that opened up the run game for Zeke.
DAL had the lead and moved the ball before Zeke got going.

Once Dak went into 2 minute stuff right before the half he was in fact very good.
Again the play by play is available.
You keep just saying things that have no meaning.

Dak outplayed Wentz period. It isn't even in question for anyone that seriously watched the game without an agenda.
Philly papers and radio admit it, it is all over the place in Philly.
You are tilting at windmills.

You are really claiming I’m wrong in saying 170 yards rushing played a big part in why the Eagles couldn’t keep up in the end? That’s just a bizarre way to think. You think it’s wrong to say it was a balanced offense that mattered rather than saying it was all about Dak outplaying Wentz? I’m sorry, but believing that makes no sense.

 

[jterrell]

Ok.. Be that guy.. Wentz and Foles are system guys.

Just ignore Wentz's incredible talent.

Wentz IS immensely talented. HE IS a better prospect than DAK.
No one ever denied that.

But Foles DID dominate in the playoffs... and Wentz benefited from the same SYSTEM and coaches(the dude got a new job for a reason).
In all, Foles competed 77 of 106 passes (72.6 percent) in the Eagles’ three postseason games, the highest completion rate ever in the playoffs among quarterbacks with at least 100 passes attempted in a single postseason.
Foles, threw for 373 yards and three touchdown passes in the SB. He even caught a one-yard touchdown pass from Trey Burton on a fourth-down play. This came on the heels of an NFC championship game performance in which he completed 26 of 33 passes for 352 yards and three touchdowns for a 141.4 passer rating, the highest ever in a conference championship playoff game (minimum 30 passes thrown). And he did that against one of the league’s best defenses.


And Wentz IS injury prone. Has been since high school.

Wentz was the guy I wanted Dallas to draft. I was very aware of him. He crushed in Frisco in the championship game for Dakota(lol).
But he missed time in high school and college with injury then again in the pros.

He is only 3 out of 13 for game winning/tying drives
And that is bad in this era of offensive football and scoring late.

Dak is very imperfect. But he's cheap and cost us nothing in draft capital.
He is a solid starter. Not a franchise guy but a solid starter with the potential to be a franchise guy.
He needs to handle pressure better, be more consistent with his footwork which effects his accuracy but he has great clean pocket accuracy and totals.
He avoids turnovers as well as any young QB ever has.
He is a gamer who takes big shots and bounces back up.
He is very durable and plays through injuries.
And the kid is clutch.

Watching him dragged by this fan base much like Romo was before him is absolutely infuriating.

 

[aikemirv]

the qb chose when and where to throw the ball.
ertz made the catch and was immediately tackled.

in that situation you throw the ball 1-2 yards passed the sticks so the receiver can come back to the ball.
reality is on replay he was a good yard and a half shy.
that's a bad qb read.
going to the guy everyone expects to get it and short of the sticks.
no bueno.

If you want to be dense go for it, otherwise go look at the replay because Wentz did not throw it short - Ertz came forward and pluck it out of the air high instead of going straight towards the sideline!

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

That wasn’t the point.

He said that Wentz had “no run game whatsoever” as if it was holding them back. They weren’t getting stuffed and forcing Wentz into 2nd and 12s all night.

They were actually effective running the football, so yes, Wentz did have a run game. They simply chose to go away from it and put the game in Wentz’s hands.

And they lost, because Three Quarters Carson isn’t clutch.

LOL the know-nothings who said Wentz outplayed Dak cited the fact that Wentz had well over 300 pass yards. They left out the fact that the Eagles are 0-4 this year when Wentz has 300+ pass yards. Oops!!!

And until Wentz can start to put together games where he comes up clutch with game timing/game winning drives at the end of the 4th quarter, then that will be what keeps him from being Elite, like Brady,Rodgers,Brees...Wentz is good. But, there will be times where he'll need to come up with game winning drives, in important and key games. So, far he hasn't shown that ability to be clutch.

Which makes him a very good NFL QB, but not yet an elite NFL QB.