Dak > Wince

[Dale]

I was keying in on Daks footwork this game and wow. Its pretty clear that a majority of his bad throws are in large part due to him stepping backwards or not setting his feet before throwing the ball.

There's many people on here who are much more well versed at studying tape and diagnosing his play I am certain, but it looked pretty obvious to me.

This actually gives me hope we can coach that out of him and he will become a much more confident QB.

I am a fan of the guy on and off the field, but Ive had my doubts as well. His turn around since Coop has me really excited again.

I would be intrigued to now from the QB gurus of the board how trainable footwork is for a QB. I think Dak's issues are common for a QB whose athleticism is their primary asset during much of their football upbringing. Coaches ride their athleticism, and they aren't often given the same technical training a less athletic QB is at the same age.

 

[Nav22]

LOL! I notice you said "arguably" on the O-Line. But you know that actually makes my argument. If Wentz had "the best O-Line" in his second season, then that proves what he would do if given adequate time in the pocket.
As for this year, Wentz came back from a leg injury. Duh! When Luck came back from his injury, he wasn't 100 percent either.
Second, I said Dez was a top receiver during Dak's rookie year. He got injured again and went down hill.
Please try to argue my points in the context I made them. I'm talking about Dez in respect to Dak's first year.
Finally, you would take Dak 100 out of 100 times but not most coaches, players and fans.
Of course, I can't prove this. But I have heard various commentators make this same comparison, and I've never heard any one of them say they would take Dak over Wentz. And it's my belief that if Wentz had this same Cowboys team, we wouldn't have needed the final two games to get into the playoffs. This team should have been 14-2. Dak couldn't bring it home against the Panthers, Texans, Titans or Commanders - games we should have won had we had better quarterbacking. He has improved down the stretch, which is good. But I saw too many all-22 shots where guys were running routes and would have been open had Dak pulled the trigger.
Be that as it may, we have Dak not Wentz or Rodgers or Brady. We must rely on him if we want to go deep into the playoffs.

Carson Wentz has 2 losing seasons in 3 NFL seasons.

In his 1 winning season, the Eagles were so stacked that his backup won all the playofff games and Super Bowl.

Keep pretending Wentz is special. It’s adorable!

 

[Dale]

LOL

Wentz: 5-6

“Not his fault! So many injuries!”

Foles: 4-1

*Crickets*

Wentz is garbage early in games (Philly was the WORST 1st quarter scoring team in the league)... and late in games.

There’s your 5-6 record.

I think @tyke1doe makes valid points, as no two situations are the same. But I'd argue this particular discussion should be turned on its head.

We're citing a top-flight receiver as an advantage Dak had, yet this is the same top-flight receiver who hasn't performed at a high level since 2014. We cite a HOF tight end, yet it's Wentz's tight end who has been the better player since Wentz and Dak came into the league. Dak's offensive line is always referenced, yet it was Wentz's line highly regarded as one of the best a year ago.

Look, I like Wentz a lot. I've plainly said as much here on many occasions. But there are just as many excuses made for why he is statistically inferior to Dak as the "Dak-stans" are accused of making on Prescott's behalf.

Most damning of Wentz is the fact his team is better when his backup plays.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I think @tyke1doe makes valid points, as no two situations are the same. But I'd argue this particular discussion should be turned on its head.

We're citing a top-flight receiver as an advantage Dak had, yet this is the same top-flight receiver who hasn't performed at a high level since 2014. We cite a HOF tight end, yet it's Wentz's tight end who has been the better player since Wentz and Dak came into the league. Dak's offensive line is always referenced, yet it was Wentz's line highly regarded as one of the best a year ago.

Look, I like Wentz a lot. I've plainly said as much here on many occasions. But there are just as many excuses made for why he is statistically inferior to Dak as the "Dak-stans" are accused of making on Prescott's behalf.

Most damning of Wentz is the fact his team is better when his backup plays.

Great points and don't forget at every level Wentz backups perform better. Even in college his team won the championship without him.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I would be intrigued to now from the QB gurus of the board how trainable footwork is for a QB. I think Dak's issues are common for a QB whose athleticism is their primary asset during much of their football upbringing. Coaches ride their athleticism, and they aren't often given the same technical training a less athletic QB is at the same age.

Footwork is a coachable fix. Dak had never taken a snap under center until he was drafted. He was able to learn in short time as a rookie. Dak problem isn't feetwork because he has shown at times to have great footwork. Problem is when he gets pressured he throws off his back foot instead of stepping through the throw. That can be coached out of him, but Moore isn't the guy and neither is Garrett

 

[StarOfGlory]

No I'm showing facts. Foles in the first 2 games had almost his entire offense healthy and he looked so bad they rushed back Wentz.

Funny you want to make excuses for all these other teams but want to push your Dak agenda for no reason but simple hate. Dak supporters aren't blind like you Dak haters.

Actually, the Eagles had no Sproles, no Jeffries, no Wallace, one guard was out, and Peters played with two injuries.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Actually, the Eagles had no Sproles, no Jeffries, no Wallace, one guard was out, and Peters played with two injuries.

Wallace and Sproles weren't part of the Superbowl team but nice try

 

[Clove]

I'm not going to knock Wentz, I just like my QB better because he's actually QBing the Dallas Cowboys. I think Wentz might have a nice career in this league, but I hope Dak wins multiple Super Bowls.

 

[Bleu Star]

I can't dispute that statement. Personally it doesn't matter what we think, we want results and in my opinion Dak wins and makes better plays than he does bad plays. He still needs work no doubt but he is really good and has a ton of potential. My biggest wish is for Jerry to hire him a real QB coach, especially if he is going to give Dak a long term deal. Maximize your investment

Period. End of story.

 

[Cmac]

Let's be real......Wentz got hurt and is still trying to recover.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I think @tyke1doe makes valid points, as no two situations are the same. But I'd argue this particular discussion should be turned on its head.

We're citing a top-flight receiver as an advantage Dak had, yet this is the same top-flight receiver who hasn't performed at a high level since 2014. We cite a HOF tight end, yet it's Wentz's tight end who has been the better player since Wentz and Dak came into the league. Dak's offensive line is always referenced, yet it was Wentz's line highly regarded as one of the best a year ago.

Look, I like Wentz a lot. I've plainly said as much here on many occasions. But there are just as many excuses made for why he is statistically inferior to Dak as the "Dak-stans" are accused of making on Prescott's behalf.

Most damning of Wentz is the fact his team is better when his backup plays.

Pappy said that Dak was afraid of having the back ups come in against the Giants and perform better than him. Implying that Dak was worried about his job. What's funny is that a lot of Dak doubters on this board, also believe that Wentz is the savior and he can be elite. So, it's funny that what they claim Dak is afraid of, is exactly what Foles has done to Wentz. With the same team they credit Wince for being in the MVP race with, Foles took them to the Superbowl and win it. And has them on a playoff run this season. Pederson even had to reassure Wince that his job was safe and that he would still be the starter. Again, funny since the claim was that Dak was the one who was afraid of his starting job.

Whether or not Wince expresses it openly or keeps his feelings inside, part of him is threatened and worried about Foles keeping the starting job or he doesn't like the feeling of having to sit on the bench while his back up leads the team to glory and gets all of the love. But, if Wince wants his starting job back after Foles helped carried the team when it mattered in back to back seasons, then his fanclub on this board would support him and call him a competitor or say that he deserves the job and is still better than Foles.

Meanwhile if a back up QB for the Cowboys did what Foles did and won the Superbowl, then Dak doubters would use it as evidence to say that Dak sucks or they would be against Dak getting his starting job back. While they are willing to give Wince the benefit of the doubt, because of what they have built him up to be.

 

[Bleu Star]

Let's be real......Wentz got hurt and is still trying to recover.

Let's be real...

Wince got hurt in college.

Wince hurt his knee last year.

Wince hurt his back this year.

Wince gets hurt. It's in his DNA.

 

[Ken]

I would be intrigued to now from the QB gurus of the board how trainable footwork is for a QB. I think Dak's issues are common for a QB whose athleticism is their primary asset during much of their football upbringing. Coaches ride their athleticism, and they aren't often given the same technical training a less athletic QB is at the same age.

Not a qb "guru" but all footwork and mechanics are all trainable.

 

[Ken]

Carson Wentz has 2 losing seasons in 3 NFL seasons.

In his 1 winning season, the Eagles were so stacked that his backup won all the playofff games and Super Bowl.

Keep pretending Wentz is special. It’s adorable!

And his schedule was absolute cake.

 

[Scotman]

I'm not going to knock Wentz, I just like my QB better because he's actually QBing the Dallas Cowboys. I think Wentz might have a nice career in this league, but I hope Dak wins multiple Super Bowls.

Exactly.

 

[CWR]

I would be intrigued to now from the QB gurus of the board how trainable footwork is for a QB. I think Dak's issues are common for a QB whose athleticism is their primary asset during much of their football upbringing. Coaches ride their athleticism, and they aren't often given the same technical training a less athletic QB is at the same age.

Imo its absolutely coachable. Obviously it takes a plethra of practice and reps though.

 

[tyke1doe]

LOL

Wentz: 5-6

“Not his fault! So many injuries!”

Foles: 4-1

*Crickets*

Wentz is garbage early in games (Philly was the WORST 1st quarter scoring team in the league)... and late in games.

There’s your 5-6 record.

By injuries, I mean injuries to Wentz. Wentz has been injured. I'm not talking about his teammates' injuries.

 

[tyke1doe]

“Dak’s wins are a product of his health. Wentz hasn’t been healthy.”

Wentz has more losses than Dak does... 17 to 16... despite playing in 8 fewer games.


Dak: .667 career win pct
Wentz: .575 career win pct

And he could have fewer losses than Dak if he had played those games, right?
Anyway, getting back to my original point, what coaches, players - either former or current - would choose Dak over Wentz?

 

[tyke1doe]

Carson Wentz has 2 losing seasons in 3 NFL seasons.

In his 1 winning season, the Eagles were so stacked that his backup won all the playofff games and Super Bowl.

Keep pretending Wentz is special. It’s adorable!

It's about as adorable as your penchant to create straw men.
Where did I say Wentz was special? Dak sure isn't.
What I said is that if coaches, players past and present had to choose between Dak and Wentz, most - if not all - would choose Wentz. I've heard former players who are commentators say it.
Your incessant need to defend Dak is admirable.

 

[NumOneQB]

Carson Wentz has 2 losing seasons in 3 NFL seasons.

In his 1 winning season, the Eagles were so stacked that his backup won all the playofff games and Super Bowl.

Keep pretending Wentz is special. It’s adorable!

One thing Dak haters and Romo lovers see fading away are stats to hang their hats on. Numbers don’t lie...