Dak's Contract - again

[OmerV]

That is the case because finding someone better would’ve been very difficult but some of you just don’t seem to get that. Some of you act like real good QBs grow on trees. Had we let Dak walk after the 2020 season we might have ended up with Justin Fields and would’ve had to trade up to get him because he was taken one spot ahead of Parsons. Fields has already proven he was a mistake. We would have ended up with him and passed up generational player. We would likely still be struggling trying to find a QB. Glad fans like you don’t run the team.

Note I said looking for someone to replace Dak or at least someone to bridge the gap until we found that guy. Surely you aren't really saying finding someone better than Cooper Rush to be that interim guy would have been difficult? After the 2020 season Andy Dalton, Geno Smith and Joe Flacco were all free agents and all signed one year contracts.

As for Fields, obviously he would not have been the right choice, but your own argument about Fields contradicts your claim that we would have been stuck with Rush at QB.

 

[KJJ]

Nahhhhh .... this topic is boring .... his leg will solve this problem anyway

If his play regresses that’s not going to solve anything, it’s just going to create a bigger problem. If the Cowboys were to release him, they would incur a dead cap hit, but the $40 million for 2026 would still be owed to him. They’re tied to him for a while and once we move on it’s not going to be easy finding a solid replacement. We could end up like the Giants and some of these teams that are changing QBs all the time. If we end up like that, the playoffs will end up being a distant memory for us.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

If his play regresses that’s not going to solve anything, it’s just going to create a bigger problem. If the Cowboys were to release him, they would incur a dead cap hit, but the $40 million for 2026 would still be owed to him. They’re tied to him for a while and once we move on it’s not going to be easy finding a solid replacement. We could end up like the Giants and some of these teams that are changing QBs all the time. If we end up like that, the playoffs will end up being a distant memory for us.

Cooper Rush was better last season.

Stop with this "We won't find a replacement" nonsense.

It's not hard. He's not Mahomes. A bum like Cooper Rush has been a better NFL QB more recently than Dak has.

The Giants have won 2 Super Bowls since the Cowboys last sniffed an NFC Championship. We'd be lucky to be the Giants.

Ya'll are weird, man.

 

[KJJ]

Note I said looking for someone to replace Dak or at least someone to bridge the gap until we found that guy. Surely you aren't really saying finding someone better than Cooper Rush to be that interim guy would have been difficult? After the 2020 season Andy Dalton, Geno Smith and Joe Flacco were all free agents and all signed one year contracts.

As for Fields, obviously he would not have been the right choice, but your own argument about Fields contradicts your claim that we would have been stuck with Rush at QB.

We could end up using a number of veteran castoffs trying to bridge the gap for years until we find that guy. Look at the Giants and Steelers right now. I don’t want to be one of those teams. It’s very difficult finding “the guy.” My argument was we would have been stuck with Cooper Rush because no assurances the Cowboys were going to want to use the 12th overall pick on a QB. Four of the top QBs taken in that draft Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields and Mac Jones went bust.

Even Trevor Lawrence who was the number one overall pick hasn’t been that great. We would have had to trade up to get one of the top three and it would have been very costly. The 2021 draft is one of the many that shows just how difficult it is finding a franchise QB. None of those QBs, including Lawrence are better than Dak. You have fans on this board that think it’s as simple as draft another QB and BINGO! lol

 

[Bobhaze]

Cooper Rush was better last season.

Stop with this "We won't find a replacement" nonsense.

It's not hard. He's not Mahomes. A bum like Cooper Rush has been a better NFL QB more recently than Dak has.

The Giants have won 2 Super Bowls since the Cowboys last sniffed an NFC Championship. We'd be lucky to be the Giants.

Ya'll are weird, man.

I’m a Cowboys fan who has no problem saying Dak is overpaid, has played poorly in several playoff games, and has spit the bit far too many times in big games. In fact, I would love to see us have a better QB. So I’m not one who “defends” Dak or is a Dak fan-boy.

But I completely disagree with how you characterize everything about Dak as 100% all bad, all day, all the time to the point of literally being comical.

In fact in my book it stretches all serious credibility, with a touch of tongue-in-cheek poking the bears around here just to get a rise. Almost like a fan from another team having a good time at the expense of some who don’t understand it.

On more than one occasion, I’ve actually laughed out loud by the one track, one point, one sided, one idea, one thought, zero balance, all bad all the time viewpoint.

Hey you are entitled to say it (as long as it’s within the rules) and I support that right.

But in my opinion, it is just plain weird.

 

[Whirlwin]

Yeah, like tearing down a great house to rebuild a new one.

When you do your bathroom over, you gut it you just don’t go there and fix it piece by piece. Nothing ever lines up that way. You’re gonna do a house over completely you gut it, and better yet you tear it down and start over. Actually, that was a very smart move on his account.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’m a Cowboys fan who has no problem saying Dak is overpaid, has played poorly in several playoff games, and has spit the bit far too many times in big games. In fact, I would love to see us have a better QB. So I’m not one who “defends” Dak or is a Dak fan-boy.

But I completely disagree with how you characterize everything about Dak as 100% all bad, all day, all the time to the point of literally being comical.

In fact in my book it stretches all serious credibility, with a touch of tongue-in-cheek poking the bears around here just to get a rise. Almost like a fan from another team having a good time at the expense of some who don’t understand it.

On more than one occasion, I’ve actually laughed out loud by the one track, one point, one sided, one idea, one thought, zero balance, all bad all the time viewpoint.

Hey you are entitled to say it (as long as it’s within the rules) and I support that right.

But in my opinion, it is just plain weird.

Okay.

Anyways.....

 

[ArtClink]

Cooper Rush was better last season.

Stop with this "We won't find a replacement" nonsense.

It's not hard. He's not Mahomes. A bum like Cooper Rush has been a better NFL QB more recently than Dak has.

The Giants have won 2 Super Bowls since the Cowboys last sniffed an NFC Championship. We'd be lucky to be the Giants.

Ya'll are weird, man.

 

[OmerV]

We could end up using a number of veteran castoffs trying to bridge the gap for years until we find that guy. Look at the Giants and Steelers right now. I don’t want to be one of those teams. It’s very difficult finding “the guy.” My argument was we would have been stuck with Cooper Rush because no assurances the Cowboys were going to want to use the 12th overall pick on a QB. Four of the top QBs taken in that draft Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields and Mac Jones went bust.

Even Trevor Lawrence who was the number one overall pick hasn’t been that great. We would have had to trade up to get one of the top three and it would have been very costly. The 2021 draft is one of the many that shows just how difficult it is finding a franchise QB. None of those QBs, including Lawrence are better than Dak. You have fans on this board that think it’s as simple as draft another QB and BINGO! lol

I didn't say a veteran from another team was guaranteed to yield ideal results during an interim period, I just said I didn't think Cooper Rush was likely to be the guy they went with to do that if they had chosen to let Dak walk.

As for Fields, you are mixing arguments. Sure the Cowboys may not have wanted to use a 1st round pick on a QB in 2021, but if that was the case that wouldn't have necessitated sticking with Rush as the started. Again, that's where they could have gone with a more proven veteran for a year or two. The fact there was no guarantee a year or two would find them a franchise QB doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't have had to be Rush taking the reins until they did.

 

[Pass2Run]

I prefer looking forward rather than dwelling on mistakes...

 

[john van brocklin]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/cowboys-overshot-market-5-million-025335537.html

Since it is that time of summer when nothing is going on so why not another thread on Dak's contract?

This article points out what I have been saying since the deal was announced. Jerry gave Dak the worse possible contract from the team's perspective. It's $5 million more per year than what it should be. It comes with a no trade clause and a no franchise tag clause - and it is only 4 years making it more difficult of spread out the bonus money and restructures.

There was no need to do this deal with Dak. At some point a smart team sees that the player's demands far exceed his performance value and they decide to move on. Jerry really struggles assessing a player's value.

But it is also important to note that Jerry gave away all his leverage with Dak's previous contract. He never should have agreed to a no trade clause. But that is still no excuse. Sure Dallas could have lost Dak to free agency, but is overpaying him by at least $5 million per year worth keeping him?

I also dislike the argument that were are no alternatives. I do agree finding a QB is hard in the NFL. We've been down that path before. But maybe the alternative is to do something different. Build a strong defense. Build a strong running game. Find a game manager and let him keep the team in games while you continue the search for the next franchise guy. At some point Dak will be retiring anyway. At some point they will have to start a new QB search. Better now than to be handcuffed by a contracts worth well more than the QB you are playing.

Key comment:
Jerry struggles to determine players value.
Until we get a real, professional GM
This team is too hamstrung to compete for a championship.

 

[zrinkill]

the playoffs will end up being a distant memory for us.

Could care less about that ...... it is already a distant memory at accomplishing anything in it.

We have a spot to get rid of him in 2027 ....... let him sit in the tub until then ........ maybe we could get rid of Dak and Jerry that year.

 

[Vtwin]

You are right. This is just a dumb lazy false narrative that some fans prefer the QB over the team. I don't see that at all. Now they might have point with Tom and NE. I wonder how many fans they lost when he retired.

In the most literal sense, sure. I don't think there is anyone here who will ditch the Cowboys when Dak is gone.

There are definitely people here who, when it comes to analyzing the games, choose to blame everything but Dak for the bad and give Dak all the credit for the good.

That's the context I've always taken the Dak over Dallas references in.

 

[fivetwos]

This all started when Jerry allowed Dak, on a 4th round deal, to play out his rookie contract. Being cheap that one year instead of extending him, was the beginning. They ended up franchising Dak. They tagged him in 2020 when they should have extended him a year early. Then they tagged him again in 2021 to lock him out of free agency while continuing to “negotiate.” They learned nothing from what happened with Kirk Cousins.

We all know they could have extended Dak for less by extending him a year early for a third time, but they basically let him stand on the precipice of free agency and paid him at the last possible minute. Is it really hard nosed negotiations by Dak and his agent, or is it Jerry giving them all the leverage time and time again by not extending Dak early. When you allow your franchise QB to keep getting that close to free agency, you are no longer paying him the going extension rate for QBs. You are now overpaying based on what the QB could get from a QB needy team with the cap space. Add to that giving him the two no trade, no tag clauses, and you have zero options that can be stomached other than restarting your team at zero and rebuilding.

Even those of us who like Dak don’t argue that he’s worth his contract, but letting him walk for nothing more than a 3rd round compensatory pick would have put Jerry in the same historical perspective as the Vikings in the Hershel trade or Ditka in the Ricky Williams draft. Jerry played it wrong 3 times and couldn’t admit it. He’d rather pay the salary, be relevant, and have people say he overpayed than to have people laughing at how poorly he handled the situation and lost a good QB with no compensation.

Nice work.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/cowboys-overshot-market-5-million-025335537.html

Since it is that time of summer when nothing is going on so why not another thread on Dak's contract?

This article points out what I have been saying since the deal was announced. Jerry gave Dak the worse possible contract from the team's perspective. It's $5 million more per year than what it should be. It comes with a no trade clause and a no franchise tag clause - and it is only 4 years making it more difficult of spread out the bonus money and restructures.

There was no need to do this deal with Dak. At some point a smart team sees that the player's demands far exceed his performance value and they decide to move on. Jerry really struggles assessing a player's value.

But it is also important to note that Jerry gave away all his leverage with Dak's previous contract. He never should have agreed to a no trade clause. But that is still no excuse. Sure Dallas could have lost Dak to free agency, but is overpaying him by at least $5 million per year worth keeping him?

I also dislike the argument that were are no alternatives. I do agree finding a QB is hard in the NFL. We've been down that path before. But maybe the alternative is to do something different. Build a strong defense. Build a strong running game. Find a game manager and let him keep the team in games while you continue the search for the next franchise guy. At some point Dak will be retiring anyway. At some point they will have to start a new QB search. Better now than to be handcuffed by a contracts worth well more than the QB you are playing.

First, the $5M is not a show stopper for us to get the type of FAs we need for this team to succeed. so that's on Jerry.

you have to realize Jerry doesn't give a Dang about any of that. his goal is to maximize his profits. there is a salary cap, so there is cost controls in place. who cares who gets what money. we tend to spend closer to the cap floor generally. he also keeps players to the end of their contracts not to incur any dead cap from a contract that would end prematurely. most of the dead cap is from money after the contract ended. like the 8.8M from zach martin which is 30% of our dead cap money and 7.5M from Lawrence and 4M from Cooks. That's 20M in dead cap from expired contracts and. There is 8.7 M from Michael gallup. our dead cap is because of expired contracts....that's what jerry does. he keeps players to the end of their contracts so he doesn't have to pay twice for the same position.

Jerry handed Dak that contract because he didn't care. he dragged it all summer. never really negotiated. milked the media and clicks and attention. then signed literally an hour before first game of the season. how stupid is that!? and don't forget Dak was top 10 and top 20 in Jersey sales two years prior so Jerry looks at it as an extra 5M investment that will pay off from Jersey sales.

I mean, the guy signed Zeke, who changed his number to 15 and you can't find a #15 zeke jersey. its all #21 left over from previous time Zeke was in dallas, so he just emptied the inventory.

Jerry just doesn't care. each year is a separate year onto itself regardless of what happend prior years and what's to come. there is no long term plan. there is annual plan. end of story.

and Jerry is stupid for not doing a 6 year contract with 2 void years like he did initially. that's what Philly does to a max. winning championships is not jerry's top priority.

 

[Rockport]

He can’t and won’t…

Yeah, I know.

 

[Rockport]

You are right. This is just a dumb lazy false narrative that some fans prefer the QB over the team. I don't see that at all. Now they might have point with Tom and NE. I wonder how many fans they lost when he retired.

They just tell themselves that to make them feel better about themselves. Deep down, they know they’re being “dishonorable” here at CZ but at the same time it’s how they get enjoyment in life.

 

[Rockport]

The Cowboys being successful or Dak getting every penny he can from Jerry?

Which do you prefer?

The one where you said you had bookmarked of a poster here who said they’d rather see Dak be paid than the Cowboys be able to compete.

 

[Ranching]

Damn...the crap people waste their time whining about. It's a stupid contract by Jerry, smart by Dak....it's done, get the duck over it!!!!

 

[Ranching]

At least one of Dak’s fans admitted on here (I have the bookmark) that they would rather Dak be paid than the Cowboys be able to compete.

And you'd rather see Dak get spanked and we lose, than we win any games. What a piece of work....