Dak's Pocket Presence

[CouchCoach]

The difference last night was that Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Ron Leary weren't starting for Dallas. Going from Jason Witten to Blake Jarwin doesn't help either.

That is true but he was aware of that. He knows when he's missing key OL but doesn't seem to modify his game enough. Not expecting additional pressure when the opposing DC is aware of who's on the OL doesn't make sense.

 

[Kaiser]

That is true but he was aware of that. He knows when he's missing key OL but doesn't seem to modify his game enough.

And how does he modify his game if he is getting hit after 3 seconds? He does roll out to escape pressure and he is in the top five in QB rushing yards.

"Modifying the game" is Linehan's job, not so much Dak's.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak is 6'2" and he doesn't have exceptionally tall receivers and some of these strip sacks look like he's unaware they're even close until they're right on top of him. He's trying to stay ready to throw and therefore doesn't have good ball security and the worst part is the D's know it.

So, how about a deeper drop to give him better field sight and awareness of the rush. To his credit, he is staying focused downfield and trying to make a play but that affects his pocket presence and he does not have that 6th sense some QB's have when the pocket is getting ready to collapse.

They need to do something because now that is game plan 1 for the D because they see how he's exposed on film.

The other thing they can do is a moving pocket, the OL seems athletic enough to do that.

Last night, 7 sacks and 2 fumbles as a result, not going to win many games against good teams with that stat.

Yea, he’s got to move out of the pocket to extend the play and see the field like all the great ones do. And if he stays in the pocket release the ball quicker.

The saddest part of our offense is we are dead in the water on 3rd and longs. We don’t even attempt to throw it downfield which tells me our staff has no confidence in his ability in those situations.

 

[Nav22]

It’s a trade-off right now. He’s not throwing INTs because he’s being VERY careful with the ball. Sacks are better than INTs but neither would be ideal.

Next step is improving his ball security in the pocket. Can’t keep fumbling like that.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak is 6'2" and he doesn't have exceptionally tall receivers and some of these strip sacks look like he's unaware they're even close until they're right on top of him. He's trying to stay ready to throw and therefore doesn't have good ball security and the worst part is the D's know it.

So, how about a deeper drop to give him better field sight and awareness of the rush. To his credit, he is staying focused downfield and trying to make a play but that affects his pocket presence and he does not have that 6th sense some QB's have when the pocket is getting ready to collapse.

They need to do something because now that is game plan 1 for the D because they see how he's exposed on film.

The other thing they can do is a moving pocket, the OL seems athletic enough to do that.

Last night, 7 sacks and 2 fumbles as a result, not going to win many games against good teams with that stat.

yes some of it was him maybe 40% but we were without Smith, we are starting backup to abackup at LG and no Tred and dinged Martin against a good D/,It happens..ask brees how that feels he got strip sacked and was under constant pressure one led to an INT and nearly another..

we will be better with Tsmith back and Martin healthier and not playing Dline like the saints..they have players as well..most likely 4 saks on the line 3 on him plus the fumble but really that one where LC was baer hugging his man and Cam still was able to do that, that more on LC.. he was flagged and all over his guy and couldn't even slow him down..

 

[CouchCoach]

And how does he modify his game if he is getting hit after 3 seconds? He does roll out to escape pressure and he is in the top five in QB rushing yards.

"Modifying the game" is Linehan's job, not so much Dak's.

Ask Romo about "modifying the game". He played behind worse OL's than this one and he either had to improvise or get hammered.

 

[CouchCoach]

It’s a trade-off right now. He’s not throwing INTs because he’s being VERY careful with the ball. Sacks are better than INTs but neither would be ideal.

Next step is improving his ball security in the pocket. Can’t keep fumbling like that.

Strip sacks are not better than picks because of the location on the field, most of the time.

 

[Kaiser]

Ask Romo about "modifying the game". He played behind worse OL's than this one and he either had to improvise or get hammered.

At the same point in his career, Romo had six careers starts and was "modifying" his way into a lot more problems than he avoided.

 

[kskboys]

Deeper drop isn’t going to do anything. That would just be more yardage lost. Move the pocket more and get Dak in space so he doesn’t have to worry about awareness of where rushers are coming from. RPO’s to freeze defenders for a second would also help.

The routes on some of these plays are also terrible. It will be like 3 and 8 and Dak will have the ball for 2+ seconds before any of his WR’s are even thinking about looking for the ball. Plays have to be designed with Dak’s limitations in mind.

Very well said. Should be a must read, especially for the Cowboys staff.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yea, he’s got to move out of the pocket to extend the play and see the field like all the great ones do. And if he stays in the pocket release the ball quicker.

The saddest part of our offense is we are dead in the water on 3rd and longs. We don’t even attempt to throw it downfield which tells me our staff has no confidence in his ability in those situations.

I agree, and while I am critical of Linehan, he sees him in practice and knows a lot better than we do what he's capable of doing.

Is it just me or does Linehan not take advantage of 2nd and short for a shot down the field? Hell, they've got one of the top short yardage backs in the game but last night he chose to play it safe and run the ball. But how many times does Dak do in practice what he did in that game on that terrible throw to a wide open receiver? I lmao at Aikman making excuses for the difficulty in "hitting a wide open receiver". What the hell does he do at practice?

 

[texbumthelife]

Dak is 6'2" and he doesn't have exceptionally tall receivers and some of these strip sacks look like he's unaware they're even close until they're right on top of him. He's trying to stay ready to throw and therefore doesn't have good ball security and the worst part is the D's know it.

So, how about a deeper drop to give him better field sight and awareness of the rush. To his credit, he is staying focused downfield and trying to make a play but that affects his pocket presence and he does not have that 6th sense some QB's have when the pocket is getting ready to collapse.

They need to do something because now that is game plan 1 for the D because they see how he's exposed on film.

The other thing they can do is a moving pocket, the OL seems athletic enough to do that.

Last night, 7 sacks and 2 fumbles as a result, not going to win many games against good teams with that stat.

Deeper drops give speed rushers and easier angle to the QB.

 

[Praxit]

...on the good side it seems an easy fix. On the challenging side, might be a strong habit to undue easy. Perhaps, good film review and points made could make the difference.

 

[CouchCoach]

The fact is we are going to have to accept Dak as the QB just as we do Booger as the owner/GM because that's the reality. They are going to make it official with paying him like a QB1. And if that's the case, they better make that D even stronger.

 

[CouchCoach]

Deeper drops give speed rushers and easier angle to the QB.

I know, I am just looking at possible solutions to an ongoing problem, one he had at Miss St.

 

[Runwildboys]

At the same point in his career, Romo had six careers starts and was "modifying" his way into a lot more problems than he avoided.

How was he at the same point in his career after only 6 starts?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yea, he’s got to move out of the pocket to extend the play and see the field like all the great ones do. And if he stays in the pocket release the ball quicker.

The saddest part of our offense is we are dead in the water on 3rd and longs. We don’t even attempt to throw it downfield which tells me our staff has no confidence in his ability in those situations.

OR they have no confidence in the offensive line being able to pass protect long enough for the play to develop.

 

[Runwildboys]

I agree, and while I am critical of Linehan, he sees him in practice and knows a lot better than we do what he's capable of doing.

Is it just me or does Linehan not take advantage of 2nd and short for a shot down the field? Hell, they've got one of the top short yardage backs in the game but last night he chose to play it safe and run the ball. But how many times does Dak do in practice what he did in that game on that terrible throw to a wide open receiver? I lmao at Aikman making excuses for the difficulty in "hitting a wide open receiver". What the hell does he do at practice?

I think Troy was talking about how they get so excited, they overthrow it.

 

[Kaiser]

How was he at the same point in his career after only 6 starts?

Romo went to a 1-AA school and sat on the bench for 2.5 years before he ever saw the field. And my point is he gambled way too much early on, its a bad comparison to say 3rd year Dak Prescott should be making line adjustments like 12th year Tony Romo.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think Dak needs an OC that can teach better drop back, footwork and timed release skills. Passing that works best in the modern NFL now is mostly a quick 5 step drop with quick progressions and timing.

If Dak improves his release he would automatically be a better QB. I appreciate his not throwing many INTs, but sometimes his reluctance to throw gives the pass rush an advantage they wouldn’t normally have.

that would be a better QB coach to work with him on his footwork, drops, etc. not an OC

 

[Cmac]

A lot of sacks on Dak.