CFZ Dallas Cowboys All Time Position Rankings

[kskboys]

yes and you keep White above Tony/Dak and I would be good with them being a pair at thier number.

The real question is where to put Morton. I put him tied for Romo at 5, very close.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The real question is where to put Morton. I put him tied for Romo at 5, very close.

yea thats a tuff one

 

[quickccc]

Yes Romo played with some really bad defenses for a stretch of his career.. Especially the Ryan, Kiffen, Marinelli years, 2011-2013. But he also fell on his face with good to great defenses early in his career like the 2006-2008 defenses which were very good. .. and he wasn't any more successful with the bad defenses than Dak has been when HE has had to fight through bad defense. In fact one could argue that by running the ball and not turning it over, Dak has HELPED mask how bad some of the defenses he has played with were. Especially early in his career. The 2016-2018 defenses had decent statistical rankings largely because the offense possessed the ball and shortened the game for them. Nobody ever felt like they could stop a good opposing offense.. especially not if a team was committed to running the ball.

I felt the dominant run games ( Barber, Murray) actually eased the pressure off Romo and allow him to work his pass game better off of those lead run game.
Especially in 2014, when Murray had his record breaking 1800 rushing yards.

Both Romo and Dak had to carry the losing stygma of being knocked out of the playoffs by Arron Rodgers to which beloved DC Ron Marinelli just had no answer for Rodgers
in either 2014 nor 2016.

And one wonders if we had to play Rodgers last year's playoff in '22,.. would Dan Quinn also would have join Marinelli in losing to Rodgers as well.

 

[RonnieT24]

The real question is where to put Morton. I put him tied for Romo at 5, very close.

Morton didn't really have much more than a cup of coffee as the Cowboys starter. He was the guy for the most part in '69 and '70 but basically got his job taken by Roger in 1971. Credit to him for holding things together when Roger went down in '72 but it's not like he lit things up that year. 15 TDs to 21 INTs tell me that the running game and the defense were the only reason we made the playoffs that year. And of course Roger's heroics off the bench against the Niners was the only reason we won that wildcard game. Frankly I would not rate Morton any higher than 7th... His playoff completion percentage with the Cowboys was UNDER 39% and he threw 4 TD to 8 INTs in the playoffs!!!!!!! So no.. Craig aint gittin nowhere near my top 5 QBs in franchise history ..

 

[RonnieT24]

I felt the dominant run games ( Barber, Murray) actually eased the pressure off Romo and allow him to work his pass game better off of those lead run game.
Especially in 2014, when Murray had his record breaking 1800 rushing yards.

Both Romo and Dak had to carry the losing stygma of being knocked out of the playoffs by Arron Rodgers to which beloved DC Ron Marinelli just had no answer for Rodgers
in either 2014 nor 2016.

And one wonders if we had to play Rodgers last year's playoff in '22,.. would Dan Quinn also would have join Marinelli in losing to Rodgers as well.

I think the fact that Quinn was able to slay the dragon that was Brady he probably would have been able to figure out Rodgers too. After all he had him on the ropes in that regular season game until he got down two corners..

 

[kskboys]

Morton didn't really have much more than a cup of coffee as the Cowboys starter. He was the guy for the most part in '69 and '70 but basically got his job taken by Roger in 1971. Credit to him for holding things together when Roger went down in '72 but it's not like he lit things up that year. 15 TDs to 21 INTs tell me that the running game and the defense were the only reason we made the playoffs that year. And of course Roger's heroics off the bench against the Niners was the only reason we won that wildcard game. Frankly I would not rate Morton any higher than 7th... His playoff completion percentage with the Cowboys was UNDER 39% and he threw 4 TD to 8 INTs in the playoffs!!!!!!! So no.. Craig aint gittin nowhere near my top 5 QBs in franchise history ..

He kept getting hurt at the worst times!!!!

Morton was a good solid QB, that's it.

 

[RonnieT24]

He kept getting hurt at the worst times!!!!

Morton was a good solid QB, that's it.

Yeah that's as high a praise as I could put on him. Never led the NFL in any meaningful stat and was never considered among the best in the game at any point in his career. He was statistically MUCH worse in the playoffs than the regular season. His 73.5 regular season passer rating dropped to 42.0 in the playoffs. Yeeeesh! The guy who replaced him, Roger went from 83.4 in the regular season to 76.0 in the playoffs. You expect SOME dropoff in the playoffs just because you don't git no chumps there.. At least not back in those days. Nowadays with sub .500 teams making the playoffs you might run up against a team with a crappy defense but not back then. I think most of your top QBs now actually go UP statistically in the playoffs for that reason. The run across some team that doesn't belong on the field with them and carve them up like Thanksgiving ham..

 

[gtb1943]

Yeah that's as high a praise as I could put on him. Never led the NFL in any meaningful stat and was never considered among the best in the game at any point in his career. He was statistically MUCH worse in the playoffs than the regular season. His 73.5 regular season passer rating dropped to 42.0 in the playoffs. Yeeeesh! The guy who replaced him, Roger went from 83.4 in the regular season to 76.0 in the playoffs. You expect SOME dropoff in the playoffs just because you don't git no chumps there.. At least not back in those days. Nowadays with sub .500 teams making the playoffs you might run up against a team with a crappy defense but not back then. I think most of your top QBs now actually go UP statistically in the playoffs for that reason. The run across some team that doesn't belong on the field with them and carve them up like Thanksgiving ham..

-Staubach – unlike Romo and the Babe Laufenberg misleading “ 4th quarter comeback ” stats, Staubach was the true capt of the 2 minute warning winning comeback. He was his own mad scrambling, on the run improvisor but he did not bosch games with careless INTs in bunches like Romo. As efficient in the " shotgun offense " as any Cowboys QB. Late in close games, he could take matters into his own hand.

- Aikman, as a Cowboys fan,. I’m very elated he is in the Hall of Fame, ..but imo, he is not really a HOF’er. When you hear about QBs in HOF, it’s related with individual QBs with big number passing yardage, QBs who led the offense, Cowboys was based more off success of Emmitt, not Aikman, Troy was not on same level as Montana, Marino, Fouts, Warner, Elway, etc. ..imo.
But Troy was big in the playoffs, made clutch plays in clutch time that advanced his team to Super bowls

- Romo, is more known for his Jedi Knight style of mad scrambling and improvising on the move, masterful at making wow plus plays outta potential losses. It looked so pretty in live action but where was plus plays in the last 2 minute warning of games ? Where was 4th quarter comeback in the last 2 minutes ? And as creative as Romo can be, he can also very self-destructive. Turnovers can come in bunches and singlehanded killed games by himself. He was a better pure passer than Dak, but Prescott was a better leader of men, imo.

- White. I could see why some advocate White over Romo and Dak, He led club to 3 different NFC title games, which neither Romo nor Dak has done. White probably has more playoff pedigree than either two. Though he did not possess the physical talents of those two. But there was something about his demeanor and leadership that became so questionable among coaches and teammates that his job was taken by scrub QB Gary Hogeboom.

- Prescott- just the opposite of White, and even Romo- what I continue to hear about Dak is how is he is such a leader of men, coaches and teammates and even management revel are so inspired by him. He’s extraordinarily charismatic and has a personality and work ethic that draws the entire organization. His book is still being written, as he is currently stuck in that gear of can he win and advance come playoff time ?

Then explain Romo's 4th quarter rating if he was as bad as you claim. Also there was a thread on comebacks you clearly missed

 

[gtb1943]

Morton didn't really have much more than a cup of coffee as the Cowboys starter. He was the guy for the most part in '69 and '70 but basically got his job taken by Roger in 1971. Credit to him for holding things together when Roger went down in '72 but it's not like he lit things up that year. 15 TDs to 21 INTs tell me that the running game and the defense were the only reason we made the playoffs that year. And of course Roger's heroics off the bench against the Niners was the only reason we won that wildcard game. Frankly I would not rate Morton any higher than 7th... His playoff completion percentage with the Cowboys was UNDER 39% and he threw 4 TD to 8 INTs in the playoffs!!!!!!! So no.. Craig aint gittin nowhere near my top 5 QBs in franchise history ..

I had morton at about 8 or so. Dak I had 6th.

 

[DuncanIso]

Not sure why George Andrie gets ignored.

Dude should be in the RoH.

 

[quickccc]

Then explain Romo's 4th quarter rating if he was as bad as you claim. Also there was a thread on comebacks you clearly missed

LOL ... Actually whomever you are , ..I actually explained the difference between 4th quarter comebacks vs 2 minute warning comebacks in the very same thread that you're assuming
I clearly missed.

 

[kskboys]

LOL ... Actually whomever you are , ..I actually explained the difference between 4th quarter comebacks vs 2 minute warning comebacks in the very same thread that you're assuming
I clearly missed.

4th qtr ratings are often inaccurate as the opposing team will go into prevent mode w/ a lead and allow easy completions in exchange for eating clock.

 

[gtb1943]

LOL ... Actually whomever you are , ..I actually explained the difference between 4th quarter comebacks vs 2 minute warning comebacks in the very same thread that you're assuming
I clearly missed.

You cherry picked. and sadly if you were willing to really look at things, you would find some surprising names as regards two minute drives. But you won't.

 

[gtb1943]

4th qtr ratings are often inaccurate as the opposing team will go into prevent mode w/ a lead and allow easy completions in exchange for eating clock.

Sure garbage time is a factor; but there are stats as regards games that are within 10 points you might want to look at.

 

[quickccc]

You cherry picked. and sadly if you were willing to really look at things, you would find some surprising names as regards two minute drives. But you won't.

That's up to you if you choose to heed or comprehend it, I have no control over your biases. I can tell and explain to you as I see it.

I do know that when it comes to 2 minute final winning drives, I could include a various many names ...that would not include Tony Romo

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=which+qb+has+most+2+minute+drive+wins+all-time

 

[kskboys]

Sure garbage time is a factor; but there are stats as regards games that are within 10 points you might want to look at.

True. But, not me. I have no reason to go back. I watch every game and accept Romo for the decent QB that he was w/ no dissing or overglorifying. I honestly don't comprehend the spatting over him.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

The disrespect to Terence Newman

 

[RonnieT24]

That's up to you if you choose to heed or comprehend it, I have no control over your biases. I can tell and explain to you as I see it.

I do know that when it comes to 2 minute final winning drives, I could include a various many names ...that would not include Tony Romo

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=which+qb+has+most+2+minute+drive+wins+all-time

That link doesn't mention anything about how many of the wins were last 2 minutes. In fact I cannot find those numbers anywhere. You can however find career game winning drives here:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

And career 4th quarter comebacks here:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Predictably Brady leads both categories Frankly I think both are misleading because if you play consistently well from the git go you are going to have a lot less need for comebacks.