Dallas Cowboys, don't try to get cute and outsmart yourselves

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If Texas speed demon and very good WR, Xavier Worthy (4.21 NFL Combine 40 yd dash record holder), is there for the taking at the Cowboys 24th (1st round) overall pick, you'd better take him instead of passing him up or trading down your 24th pick with the hopes Worthy will be available early in the 2nd round. I guarantee you, if you pass Xavier Worthy at 24th overall, one the next and last 8 teams in the 1st round (GB, TB, ARI, BUF, DET, BAL, SF, KC) will take him and make us regret it for the next 8 - 10 years the way you passed up Randy Moss in the late 90s and regretted it badly for the next 10 years.

Here is what WR Xavier Worthy can do for our Offense, for CeeDee and for our running attack...



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You can draft Oline (OT and C) in the mid rounds, and you can draft RB or LB in the 2nd round (56th overall). If you pass up WR Xavier Worthy if he's available when your 24th pick (1st round) comes up, you're going to regret it. Don't try to get cute or outsmart yourselves. Drew Pearson had Tony Hill paired up with him. Michael Irvin had Alvin Harper. Pick WR Xavier Worthy to pair up with CeeDee Lamb and turn your WR crew into one of the best in the NFL.
 

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JMO, but the only way I see them taking a 1st round WR is if they are letting CD hit the road, and not paying him. Not saying he isn't a good long term investment, but lots of holes, and in the short term a 3rd WR doesn't really move the needle much.
 

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LOL.

OK.

And then when Worthy doesn't do much because Dak is getting smacked around due to bad OL play, you'll forget this comment and defend Dak saying how can you expect him to make plays if the OL is playing so poorly? There are going to be some equally rated OL to Worthy at 24.

WR is useless if the OL is getting mauled.
 

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Jerry and Stevie getting out smarted? Imposible for me to imagine.
 

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You can’t pretend like 5’11 165 isn’t at least a little bit of a problem. I can see him having a DeSean Jackson type career, but comparing Worthy to any kind of Randy Moss situation is crazy.
 

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LOL.

OK.

And then when Worthy doesn't do much because Dak is getting smacked around due to bad OL play, you'll forget this comment and defend Dak saying how can you expect him to make plays if the OL is playing so poorly? There are going to be some equally rated OL to Worthy at 24.

WR is useless if the OL is getting mauled.
So the Cowboys have to take an Olineman in the 1st and 2nd rounds? They can't take any in the 3rd or other mid rounds? Is that your way of building the Oline? If so, why have pro Oline coaches? So let's avoid getting top key positions players in early rounds because we can only use early rounds for the Oline?
 

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You can’t pretend like 5’11 165 isn’t at least a little bit of a problem. I can see him having a DeSean Jackson type career, but comparing Worthy to any kind of Randy Moss situation is crazy.
Worthy proved he's durable and is a big playmaker at Div 1 college level.
 

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JMO, but the only way I see them taking a 1st round WR is if they are letting CD hit the road, and not paying him. Not saying he isn't a good long term investment, but lots of holes, and in the short term a 3rd WR doesn't really move the needle much.
Not necessarily. Alvin Harper was taken very early in the 1st round. So was Michael Irvin. They both worked out great for Troy Aikman and helped him win 3 SBs.
 

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Not necessarily. Alvin Harper was taken very early in the 1st round. So was Michael Irvin. They both worked out great for Troy Aikman and helped him win 3 SBs.
While true. Who was the OL that was maxed on that line, like Martin, like Tyron was, etc.? The tripletts got paid, LA got paid, and all fought to get paid. Todays NFL has everyone who isn't getting paid top dollar, moving. Dallas could have had Cooper and CD both being paid, but thought they wanted CD to be that #1 and paid like it, instead of Coop. Think the mindset has changed? I think they pay Coop, and then pay good money to #2 nd #3, but only one top dollar. Using draft capital on a WR in the first, means paying him down the line, and I think Dallas has way too many holes to fill to do that. Of course, JMO. Dallas has proven time and time again that they don't make good logical decisions, but marketing/business ones.
 

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So the Cowboys have to take an Olineman in the 1st and 2nd rounds? They can't take any in the 3rd or other mid rounds? Is that your way of building the Oline? If so, why have pro Oline coaches? So let's avoid getting top key positions players in early rounds because we can only use early rounds for the Oline?
No, they don't have to take an OL in the 1st or 2nd rounds. They could also take a DT. They need line help in the worst way. Given what they have lost and the literally ZERO they have done to address either line in FA/trades. It's not that I think you always have to pick OL with top picks, it's that the way the Cowboys have gone about this offseason, yeah, they likely need to use high picks on the lines.

Worthy is a late 1st round WR type. There will be OL similarly ranked in that range. If the rankings are similar on your board, you take the OL. It's an easy and smart decision given how the roster is constructed presently.

Normally, if the team was doing this right, they wouldn't have to rely on a first or 2nd round OL. But because they literally don't do **** in FA, the chances of hitting on an OL that can make an immediate impact are much greater in the first and/or second rounds than say the 4th or 5th. The front office, who you tend to defend, has created this problem. They need to nail an OL in this draft that can make an immediate impact. Either at C or at LG (and Tyler goes outside) or at LT (and Tyler stays at OG).
 

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Not necessarily. Alvin Harper was taken very early in the 1st round. So was Michael Irvin. They both worked out great for Troy Aikman and helped him win 3 SBs.
Comparing today's NFL to a non-cap era in the NFL where without a cap, Jerry spent more to plug holes. So they could be more flexible in the draft.

And Harper was first round pick in a draft where we had 3 first round picks. I suspect if we had three first round picks this year, yeah, we'd likely entertain a WR.
 

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No, they don't have to take an OL in the 1st or 2nd rounds. They could also take a DT. They need line help in the worst way. Given what they have lost and the literally ZERO they have done to address either line in FA/trades. It's not that I think you always have to pick OL with top picks, it's that the way the Cowboys have gone about this offseason, yeah, they likely need to use high picks on the lines.

Worthy is a late 1st round WR type. There will be OL similarly ranked in that range. If the rankings are similar on your board, you take the OL. It's an easy and smart decision given how the roster is constructed presently.

Normally, if the team was doing this right, they wouldn't have to rely on a first or 2nd round OL. But because they literally don't do **** in FA, the chances of hitting on an OL that can make an immediate impact are much greater in the first and/or second rounds than say the 4th or 5th. The front office, who you tend to defend, has created this problem. They need to nail an OL in this draft that can make an immediate impact. Either at C or at LG (and Tyler goes outside) or at LT (and Tyler stays at OG).
Not necessarily.

Texas OT Christian Jones can be had in the 3rd round.

Miami C Matt Lee can be had late in the 5th round.

There are a few others at both positions. This draft is stacked with Olinemen. The best WRs are going in the 1st round. We only have CeeDee. Brandin Cooks (who is old) accumulated 37% of his low overall season stats in only 2 games. He wasn't much help for CeeDee for most of the season, especially against tough opposing defenses and the playoffs.

You can have whatever Oline you want, but if you don't have enough key weapons, you're going to suffer.
 

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Not necessarily.

Texas OT Christian Jones can be had in the 3rd round.

Miami C Matt Lee can be had late in the 5th round.

There are a few others at both positions. This draft is stacked with Olinemen. The best WRs are going in the 1st round. We only have CeeDee. Brandin Cooks (who is old) accumulated 37% of his low overall season stats in only 2 games. He wasn't much help for CeeDee for most of the season, especially against tough opposing defenses and the playoffs.

You can have whatever Oline you want, but if you don't have enough key weapons, you're going to suffer.
First, the odds that both will definitely be there is a real risk.

Two, both are projects and the odds are not heavily in our favor that either can make an immediate impact. I mean using your logic, since this is apparently a decently deep WR class, why not take that WR in the 3rd or 5th round? The best OL are going early too.

Weapons don't matter if the OL is a mess. And right now, our OL is not even close to being good enough to carry Dak and the skill players we do have. It's also not surprising that the Dak fanboys often are all about grabbing skill players early. If the front office had brought in a quality OL in FA, then I'd be behind looking at a WR early in this draft. But as it stands now, the lines are a bigger priority at this point. DT is another wasteland that they have done zero to try to address up until now. If can get a high level OT in Rd 1 and then come back with say Michael Hall from OSU at DT in Rd 2, that is the smart way to go.
 

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Worthy proved he's durable and is a big playmaker at Div 1 college level.
So did Deuce Vaughn. It means nothing at the next level.

Again, not saying Worthy can’t be good and make plays, but pretending he doesn’t have limitations is being disingenuous imo
 

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First, the odds that both will definitely be there is a real risk.

Two, both are projects and the odds are not heavily in our favor that either can make an immediate impact. I mean using your logic, since this is apparently a decently deep WR class, why not take that WR in the 3rd or 5th round? The best OL are going early too.

Weapons don't matter if the OL is a mess. And right now, our OL is not even close to being good enough to carry Dak and the skill players we do have. It's also not surprising that the Dak fanboys often are all about grabbing skill players early. If the front office had brought in a quality OL in FA, then I'd be behind looking at a WR early in this draft. But as it stands now, the lines are a bigger priority at this point. DT is another wasteland that they have done zero to try to address up until now. If can get a high level OT in Rd 1 and then come back with say Michael Hall from OSU at DT in Rd 2, that is the smart way to go.
Those linemen I listed are not projects. Only to fans like you and lame sports writers. There are good linemen to be had in the middle rounds. That's how the 90s 3 time SB winning Cowboys did it. They used their early round picks on stud position players. That's how you build a winning team, not your or those lame sports writers way. Period. Those 3 SB championships for the 90s Cowboys proved that. Guess you haven't learned much?
 

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Those linemen I listed are not projects. Only to fans like you and lame sports writers. There are good linemen to be had in the middle rounds. That's how the 90s 3 time SB winning Cowboys did it. They used their early round picks on stud position players. That's how you build a winning team, not your or those lame sports writers way. Period. Those 3 SB championships for the 90s Cowboys proved that. Guess you haven't learned much?
LOL.

By their very nature being mid to later round picks, the market is telling you they are less of a sure thing than those OL slated to go in the first round. And again, we can use your logic against you. Why can't those 3rd or 5th round WRs also make an impact? Why do we need to take a 165 lb WR in the first round?

You keep referring to the 1990s SBs and it's a silly comparison because roster building was much different then. There was no cap. We also had a ton of draft picks. Jerry spent money in FA back then. You mention the Alvin Harper first round pick but then fail to mention we had three first round picks that year and with the other two picks we took two DTs.

Taking Worthy at 24 isn't some massive mistake but to say that the only smart move there is to take Worthy is quite the analysis.
 
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LOL.

By their very nature being mid to later round picks, the market is telling you they are less of a sure thing than those OL slated to go in the first round. And again, we can use your logic against you. Why can't those 3rd or 5th round WRs also make an impact? Why do we need to take a 165 lb WR in the first round?

You keep referring to the 1990s SBs and it's a silly comparison because roster building was much different then. There was no cap. We also had a ton of draft picks. Jerry spent money in FA back then. You mention the Alvin Harper first round pick but then fail to mention we had three first round picks that year and with the other two picks we took two DTs.

Taking Worthy at 24 isn't some massive mistake but to say that the only smart move there is to take Worthy is quite the analysis.
Look at other top scoring offenses in 2023: Dolphins, 49ers, Eagles, etc. They had dual threat WRs who averaged around 1k yards each. Their receivers were taken in the first 2 rounds. Those teams consistently reach the playoffs and are among the highest scoring offenses for a reason and have better success during the playoffs since opposing defenses have to worry about more than just 1 receiving threat.
 

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Look at other top scoring offenses in 2023: Dolphins, 49ers, Eagles, etc. They had dual threat WRs who averaged around 1k yards each. Their receivers were taken in the first 2 rounds. Those teams consistently reach the playoffs and are among the highest scoring offenses for a reason and have better success during the playoffs since opposing defenses have to worry about more than just 1 receiving threat.
Some of them had better OLs than we did. Further have any lost two starters from their 2023 OLs? Philly lost Kelce but have two in house replacements already on the roster that were high round picks. Plus, the Dolphins and Eagles fizzled out in the postseason as well just like us.

Interesting that you left the two time SB champ off the list seeing as they did not invest a ton in the WR spot.

We get it. You have a woody for Worthy. But to say he's the only smart pick there if available is quite the stretch.
 

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Some of them had better OLs than we did. Further have any lost two starters from their 2023 OLs? Philly lost Kelce but have two in house replacements already on the roster that were high round picks. Plus, the Dolphins and Eagles fizzled out in the postseason as well just like us.

Interesting that you left the two time SB champ off the list seeing as they did not invest a ton in the WR spot.

We get it. You have a woody for Worthy. But to say he's the only smart pick there if available is quite the stretch.
Yeah, look where their olinemen were drafted. Funny you mention Jason Kelce. Go do some homework and find out in what round he was drafted.

Game. Set and Match.

End of discussion.
 

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Yeah, look where their olinemen were drafted. Funny you mention Jason Kelce. Go do some homework and find out in what round he was drafted.

Game. Set and Match.

End of discussion.

Funny how you ignore their starting RT was a Top 5 pick, and their two startings OGs were both 2nd round picks, one being selected 37th and the other 51st.

Good teams invest in their OL either via FA or the draft. We sat out FA so................
 
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