Dallas Cowboys' Flawed Strategy

[kskboys]

Kiss his butt all you want, but you really don't see the difference between Jimmy and a lameduck coach? Smooch, smooch.....I guess Jimmy was tanking when he lost to Jacksonville by close to 70 points. LOL..

Wow. I hope you're drinking. Heavily.

 

[Verdict]

I'm not sure what you expect them to do going forward. They already have a backup QB playing, and a bunch injured. The guys actually playing are going to try to win. We'll probably lose to the Eagles. Then beat Washington because in all likelihood they won't be playing any starters.

I would love it if the draft order for non playoff teams was random. That would end all tanking.

That would change the strategy dramatically.

 

[kskboys]

That would change the strategy dramatically.

Ping pong balls, like the NBA. Best answer.

 

[freemanjc19]

If you look at the current tankathon standings there are about 9 teams that are arguably worse teams than the Cowboys. There are about 8-10 teams that you could argue are in the same tier as the Cowboys but are slightly better, more consistent teams. The remainder of the teams are clearly better than the Cowboys as currently constructed.

Of the middle tier that Contains the Cowboys, arguably none of those teams will try to improve their record within that tier. The highest ranking team will draft 18. The lowest ranked team (worst record) will draft 10th.

The Cowboys have, for 30 years now, prioritized winning even after the teams around them are trying to improve draft position.

The options available at 10 will be vastly different than 18. Obviously the farther you drop the more the draft flattens out. At #10 you might catch a QB falling (if you want one) or could move up a bit to catch a QB that you feel like could make a difference. (Or any other impact position).

The difference between #10 and #18 is usually the difference between players like Aaron Donald/Tyron Smith/Parsons and an Anthony Spencer.

Granted if the Cowboys win out from here it’s not going to drop them much, but losing the last two might move them up a measurable amount. The time for Dallas to tank started several games ago.

But legitimately whether you are on “team tank” or not beating teams at the end of the season who are jockeying for draft position doesn’t “prove anything” or help anything.

We were 12-5 last year. How did winning any of those games last year help us win a game this year? Answer: They didn’t.

It’s hard to justify losing on purpose, and it never sits right with me. Sure, drafting at #10 looks better than #18 on paper, but that mindset has plagued teams for years. It’s a gamble to rely on one draft pick to turn the franchise around when the real issues lie in the culture and execution. Players and coaches who accept tanking don’t suddenly become winners the next season. Comparing this year to last year misses the point. Winning games fosters a winning mentality, even during challenging seasons. The Cowboys’ issues go beyond their draft position; they stem from decades of inconsistency and leadership problems. Losing on purpose doesn’t solve that; it only reinforces mediocrity.

 

[buddahjoe445]

How many starters has Detroit lost> once again you fail

Detroit doesn't have Dak playing QB so there was hope

 

[kskboys]

It’s hard to justify losing on purpose, and it never sits right with me. Sure, drafting at #10 looks better than #18 on paper, but that mindset has plagued teams for years. It’s a gamble to rely on one draft pick to turn the franchise around when the real issues lie in the culture and execution. Players and coaches who accept tanking don’t suddenly become winners the next season. Comparing this year to last year misses the point. Winning games fosters a winning mentality, even during challenging seasons. The Cowboys’ issues go beyond their draft position; they stem from decades of inconsistency and leadership problems. Losing on purpose doesn’t solve that; it only reinforces mediocrity.

Not just one draft pick. You have a bigger choice of players every round.

Players and coaches don't tank. That's up to the FO, who tanks by trading assets that won't be around for winning anyway.

There's no evidence that winning games in one season fosters a winning mentality the next. Where does that thought come from anyway? It's silly. Sounds like some BSPN drama queen stuff.

BTW, you guys keep repeating this, but no one is saying the players and coaches should tank. Isn't that what they call a strawman's argument?

 

[Ranching]

Wow. I hope you're drinking. Heavily.

I could have used a few....gave it up about 8 months ago....until after my daughters wedding, in two weeks. Good thing the season will be over by then.

 

[Kingofholland]

If you look at the current tankathon standings there are about 9 teams that are arguably worse teams than the Cowboys. There are about 8-10 teams that you could argue are in the same tier as the Cowboys but are slightly better, more consistent teams. The remainder of the teams are clearly better than the Cowboys as currently constructed.

Of the middle tier that Contains the Cowboys, arguably none of those teams will try to improve their record within that tier. The highest ranking team will draft 18. The lowest ranked team (worst record) will draft 10th.

The Cowboys have, for 30 years now, prioritized winning even after the teams around them are trying to improve draft position.

The options available at 10 will be vastly different than 18. Obviously the farther you drop the more the draft flattens out. At #10 you might catch a QB falling (if you want one) or could move up a bit to catch a QB that you feel like could make a difference. (Or any other impact position).

The difference between #10 and #18 is usually the difference between players like Aaron Donald/Tyron Smith/Parsons and an Anthony Spencer.

Granted if the Cowboys win out from here it’s not going to drop them much, but losing the last two might move them up a measurable amount. The time for Dallas to tank started several games ago.

But legitimately whether you are on “team tank” or not beating teams at the end of the season who are jockeying for draft position doesn’t “prove anything” or help anything.

We were 12-5 last year. How did winning any of those games last year help us win a game this year? Answer: They didn’t.

Damn those Panthers and Jets leading the charge in the tank strategy.

 

[bdk76]

I continue to have NO idea why fans think players and coaches will lose on purpose for a few spots in draft position that they may not be around to make.

Because they are morons. Only a moron could think players and coaches give two shights about draft position. They are more concerned with there next contract, whether it be with there current team or in free angency. Tanking is a fans pipe dream not a reality. Look at the Giants today, you think the players and coaches were thinking about the #1 overall pick? They played hard to win that game. Owners and GM's might handcuff there team to hurt performance hoping for a better pick but coaches and players don't care at all about draft position

 

[ArtClink]

If you want to have an honest discussion about this first you need to recognize the distinct advantages we have by the way we are structured. Then we can go from there.

Agreed, no team is better positioned for a SB run than a Jerry led ball club and we’re lucky to have a lifetime GM.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

To tank properly you need sharp minds with a vision in charge, real football people with a clear, structured plan. In other words, forget about it.

Also, the Cowboys have one of the dumbest, most short-sighted fan bases in all sports. Some of us understand the value and necessity of a rebuild in modern sports but the homers just want something to cheer for. They don't care about long-term success, they want their instant gratification and meaningless regular season wins/early playoff exits. They enable the cycle of perpetual mediocrity and they're too dense to realize it.

 

[kskboys]

To tank properly you need sharp minds with a vision in charge, real football people with a clear, structured plan. In other words, forget about it.

Also, the Cowboys have one of the dumbest, most short-sighted fan bases in all sports. Some of us understand the value and necessity of a rebuild in modern sports but the homers just want something to cheer for. They don't care about long-term success, they want their instant gratification and meaningless regular season wins/early playoff exits. They enable the cycle of perpetual mediocrity and they're too dense to realize it.

Well said.

And man they will say anything to promote their own little numnums over tanking!!!!!

 

[Verdict]

Because they are morons. Only a moron could think players and coaches give two shights about draft position. They are more concerned with there next contract, whether it be with there current team or in free angency. Tanking is a fans pipe dream not a reality. Look at the Giants today, you think the players and coaches were thinking about the #1 overall pick? They played hard to win that game. Owners and GM's might handcuff there team to hurt performance hoping for a better pick but coaches and players don't care at all about draft position

That win was a very negative thing overall for the Giants franchise. The Giants could have taken the #1 overall pick and traded back to #3 and probably received at least 1 first round pick additionally for moving down those two spots.

Will that one win change the direction more than an additional first round pick would? No. Zero chance of that.

 

[Chasing6]

If you want to have an honest discussion about this first you need to recognize the distinct advantages we have by the way we are structured. Then we can go from there.

I think you meant disadvantages.

 

[Chasing6]

That win was a very negative thing overall for the Giants franchise. The Giants could have taken the #1 overall pick and traded back to #3 and probably received at least 1 first round pick additionally for moving down those two spots.

Will that one win change the direction more than an additional first round pick would? No. Zero chance of that.

Giants may know have to trade up with NE to get a QB. Titans and Browns could easily take the top 2 QB's.

Trading up will cost them dearly. Drew Lock had different plans.

 

[Flamma]

Ping pong balls, like the NBA. Best answer.

The NBA got too stupid with them. They changed it too dramatically. It used to be simple. Lets say you have 10 teams not make the playoffs. 1 ball goes in for the best team. 2 for the 2nd best, 10 for the worst. Then came that year the Orlando Magic got the first overall pick. They were the best team to not make the playoffs. I'm pretty sure that was the year Shaquille O'Neal was drafted by them. I think something like this happened more than once, so they decided to change it to what we see today.

Think of the consequences.

Old system -Magic got good and went to the finals as a result. I forget if it was when Shaq was a rookie or not.
New System -You get the Sixers and the process.

Which system is better?