Dallas might have dilemma at DT

[TheMarathonContinues]

If they can find a legit 3tech and 1 tech and all it takes is moving Crawford and Irving........that's hardly a dilemma.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I actually think that will benefit us.. Just because hayden is off the field. Crawford has been taken alot of double teams this year too. I'm not down on him as much as others are. Hes still young. When did broaddus say this? Which article

Hayden has been pretty good this year. I'm not a fan of his, but he has played well. He's just a known commodity at this point with zero upside beyond this. Irving and Crawford on the other hand have a lot of potential.




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[Alexander]

Why can't we have an Ngata playing 1tech? Pretty please?

Not quick twitch enough.

 

[jobberone]

I see Irving as a 5/7 more than a 3 although he can do that. The more tape they have on him the more likely they are to double him on the inside which is just fine. Just one more capable guy in the rotation. Marinelli's system needs enough guys to do the job. If he puts on more muscle without losing his quickness he can play more effectively inside. I don't see him as having a big bull rush and you have to do that some esp in the middle.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Finding an impact player off another team's practice squad isn't a dilemma.

Also can we stop throwing the 9m AAV number around like we don't understand how NFL contracts are structured. He only got less than 18m guaranteed and we could cut him after next season (his age 26 season mind you) and gain cap space.

The gnashing of teeth is comical though.

 

[Alexander]

Finding an impact player off another team's practice squad isn't a dilemma.

Also can we stop throwing the 9m AAV number around like we don't understand how NFL contracts are structured. He only got less than 18m guaranteed and we could cut him after next season (his age 26 season mind you) and gain cap space.

The gnashing of teeth is comical though.

Don't care about the contract value or the player really. I do care what it says about our ability to look at our roster and assign value and self evaluate. That is what concerns me more because that affects the entire roster. If you can't evaluate your own team effectively, you will have problems maintaining a good team with depth.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Don't care about the contract value or the player really. I do care what it says about our ability to look at our roster and assign value and self evaluate. That is what concerns me more because that affects the entire roster. If you can't evaluate your own team effectively, you will have problems maintaining a good team with depth.

The deal was a calculated gamble by both parties.

It's comical that 8 games in people are declaring who won one way or the other (note: both sides can win).

The deal was a good gamble when they signed Crawford and I'll look forward to continue to evaluate the tradeoff as time progresses.

What I won't do is fall prey to this board's pathological necessity to drop a new hot take every week.

Remember how after week 8 we needed to wrap up Hardy long term and after week 9 we needed to cut him? And for his play not for the other stuff?

The Ware 2.0 references were funny.

 

[jblaze2004]

9mil a year smh crazy money

 

[darthseinfeld]

The good thing about Irving is he is under contact next season and will be a restricted free agent until after the 2018 season.

Crawford will either figure it out, or be gone, way before they have to address paying Irving top $.

Or maybe we should be ahead of the curve and pay Irving now. 10 million per may look like a bargain in 3 years

 

[Nightman]

Finding an impact player off another team's practice squad isn't a dilemma.

can we stop throwing the 9m AAV number around like we don't understand how NFL contracts are structured. He only got less than 18m guaranteed and we could cut him after next season (his age 26 season mind you) and gain cap space.

The gnashing of teeth is comical though.

17m for one year is comical. You can't brush off every FO mistake as normal business.

Saving cap space is one way to explain a huge mistake. Yes they would save 3m but they would take a 6m dead money hit in 2017 on top of a 8.75m hit next year and 2.8m hit this year.

That is for 4-6 sacks??? Which is it????? Is our 3T a superman that needs to be paid like a young Sapp or is he just another "Rushman" in the rotation that needs rest and a lot of help to succeed?

For once I would like us to get a huge run stuffer and play him 1st and 2nd down and let's see what happens. Saying a 330lb NT isn't a scheme fit means we have the wrong scheme.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

17m for one year is comical. You can't brush off every FO mistake as normal business.

Saving cap space is one way to explain a huge mistake. Yes they would save 3m but they would take a 6m dead money hit in 2017 on top of a 8.75m hit next year and 2.8m hit this year.

That is for 4-6 sacks??? Which is it????? Is our 3T a superman that needs to be paid like a young Sapp or is he just another "Rushman" in the rotation that needs rest and a lot of help to succeed?

For once I would like us to get a huge run stuffer and play him 1st and 2nd down and let's see what happens. Saying a 330lb NT isn't a scheme fit means we have the wrong scheme.

It's not 17m for one year.

I stopped reading when you misrepresented the very first fact you encountered.

 

[Nightman]

It's not 17m for one year.

I stopped reading when you misrepresented the very first fact you encountered.

You should keep reading then because they were your words.

Also can we stop throwing the 9m AAV number around like we don't understand how NFL contracts are structured. He only got less than 18m guaranteed and we could cut him after next season (his age 26 season mind you) and gain cap space.

I was using your scenario of cutting him after 2016.

He was already under contract for this year.

That would be 17m for one year.

Go back and read it again or stay out of the complicated math threads.

 

[CF74]

LOL!! Shots fired...

 

[Redball Express]

In all seriousness, if they do part ways I hope the Cowboys work out an agreement with him that the nicknames stay here.

We keep the t-shirts too. Or at least the XXLs for Stephen.

Hey..

Sometimes when you overpay these guys..

you just don't see them elevate their games.

Happened with Ratliff..

happened with Spencer..

probably going to happen with a few others..

Carr and Claiborne come immediately to mind.

There are probably half the defense which is being way over paid and need to go.

It's going to be a big turnover on this defense coming.

It was been a major disappointment.

 

[Nightman]

Hey..

Sometimes when you overpay these guys..

you just don't see them elevate their games.

Happened with Ratliff..

happened with Spencer..

probably going to happen with a few others..

Carr and Claiborne come immediately to mind.

There are probably half the defense which is being way over paid and need to go.

It's going to be a big turnover on this defense coming.

It was been a major disappointment.

It is more surprising when they live up to their big extensions.

Romo, Witten, DWare, TSmith, Ratliff(second not third) did

MBIII, RW31, RW11, Ratliff, MAustin, Hamlin, Free, Carr, Lee didn't

 

[Wood]

Finding an impact player off another team's practice squad isn't a dilemma.

Also can we stop throwing the 9m AAV number around like we don't understand how NFL contracts are structured. He only got less than 18m guaranteed and we could cut him after next season (his age 26 season mind you) and gain cap space.

The gnashing of teeth is comical though.

not following what your saying. You think Dallas wrote that contract with the intention of releasing him? If it was Free we were talking about I could mildly entertain your viewpoint but this is young player who Dallas thinks will get better. $9 million a year is price for admission to see if Crawford gets better or not. Either way I don't see Dallas releasing him.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

not following what your saying. You think Dallas wrote that contract with the intention of releasing him? If it was Free we were talking about I could mildly entertain your viewpoint but this is young player who Dallas thinks will get better. $9 million a year is price for admission to see if Crawford gets better or not. Either way I don't see Dallas releasing him.

Again using the 9m a year figure is disingenuous.

Perhaps not even disingenuous. It just shoes a lack of understanding about how NFL contracts are structured.

I merely said that the Cowboys have taken a gamble in locking up a potential impact player early for less rather than later for more. It is what teams do all the time.

But the way that the contract is structured they can get out of that commitment two years in at a relatively cheap price.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[Wood]

Again using the 9m a year figure is disingenuous.

Perhaps not even disingenuous. It just shoes a lack of understanding about how NFL contracts are structured.

I merely said that the Cowboys have taken a gamble in locking up a potential impact player early for less rather than later for more. It is what teams do all the time.

But the way that the contract is structured they can get out of that commitment two years in at a relatively cheap price.

This isn't rocket science.

so explain to me how much he will have made over 5 years of the contract if he finishes it out and Dallas doesn't redo the contract due to average results (ala Carr).

 

[gmoney112]

Hey..

Sometimes when you overpay these guys..

you just don't see them elevate their games.

Happened with Ratliff..

happened with Spencer..

probably going to happen with a few others..

Carr and Claiborne come immediately to mind.

There are probably half the defense which is being way over paid and need to go.

It's going to be a big turnover on this defense coming.

It was been a major disappointment.

Ratliff actually outplayed his first big contract. It was when he signed his second at nearly 30 years old that he fell off and apparently became bipolar.

Spencer got tagged and actually had a good season after that. Not the most optimal use of cap space but he had a good year. Then tagged again and injured.

The Carr contract is the only one I can really think of lately that's just an albatross.

Tyrone Crawford is 25 years old, about to be 26. I think he's tied with Hardy for most pressures on the team. He's a good, young player who is just now starting to hit his prime.

No one can predict the future but these are the types of guys you keep. His contract really isn't bad, and player contracts are going to keep going up every year in FA with the cap increases.

I'd like to see more but I think he's going to play an important role in the DL as he gets better.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

so explain to me how much he will have made over 5 years of the contract if he finishes it out and Dallas doesn't redo the contract due to average results (ala Carr).

Tell me how often contracts are played out to the end?

Tell me how agents and players value contracts?

Is it the AAV 5 years down the line or is it the 3 year average and total guaranteed money?