READ THIS Dallas Morning News (DMN) has demanded we no longer allow their content posted on CZ

[tyke1doe]

Thanks, friend. And sorry if I offended you, brother. Sincerely, Tyke.

You didn't offend me at all. I value disagreement, as long as we can do so respectfully.

 

[Trouty]

You didn't offend me at all. I value disagreement, as long as we can do so respectfully.

Always, brother

And thank you

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Not if they officially copyright their work.
There are times when a newspaper wants to so protect its work that it will issue a "copyright" on its stories. That means that even if you attribute the information to the original source, you have no right to market the work without legal permission.
It would be like saying you can use Queen's song "We are the Champion" because you gave proper credit to the group with a mention.

It's not that simple. Their methods of distribution are part of the equation. I'm not a lawyer but I've actually been on the other side of this fight (DMNs). There is some gray area.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Posting links and headlines and tweets is fine.

My only concern is that hard-working journalists, people who spend hours checking facts, going to games and practices and trying to get stories right are rewarded and still have jobs in the future.

Recently, ESPN and the Fort Worth paper fired longtime writers. The business is rough right now because advertising on sites is not paying the bills. So many sites, like ours, are going the subscription route. I know it's not convenient to have to link to stories instead of copying and pasting them, but we really appreciate you helping us out.

Let me translate here.

The industry is rough right now, so instead of having ANY reads and link clinks we can get, because they're harder and harder to come by, we decided to piss off a huge segment of our readers and now they dont want to click our links any more.

Genius. Genius.

 

[WoodysGirl]

From his law firm. And it seems to me his trying to be conciliatory. I just don't think the nasty posts are necessary. But that's my opinion. People will do what they want to do.

Not just your opinion. It really isn't necessary.

And to everyone else, let's dial back the attacks on the DMN editor. It isn't necessary. His company took a stance. CZ has taken their stance. The reality, no pun intended, is that unless folks are personally willing to pay for any legal fees associated with any potential lawsuits by DMN or any other media company, then it falls on Reality as site OWNER to shut it all down and move on...unless he receives something in writing saying otherwise per his request.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Posting links and headlines and tweets is fine.

My only concern is that hard-working journalists, people who spend hours checking facts, going to games and practices and trying to get stories right are rewarded and still have jobs in the future.

Recently, ESPN and the Fort Worth paper fired longtime writers. The business is rough right now because advertising on sites is not paying the bills. So many sites, like ours, are going the subscription route. I know it's not convenient to have to link to stories instead of copying and pasting them, but we really appreciate you helping us out.

I wish there was an unlike tag for this post. But since there is not, I have done something even better. Within the last fifteen minutes I've UNSUBSCRIBED from the DMN online content. And I have this feeling when you guys check by the end of this week, it will show that your tactic actually has lost subscribers.


I joined this site along with many, many others not just for the great debates, but fir a one step shop for Cowboy's info. I will visit the news forum first before moving on to the fan forum. Because of the headers and brief description of the articles, I could pick and choice more wisely and efficiently my reading choices. Because of the many DMN articles I had interest in reading, I subscribed.


NOT ANYMORE!


I will support this site and it's creator and moderators before I support strong handed tactics from big business over us 99%'ers. This should have been handle totally differently.

Your subscription fee now goes to "The Cowboys Zone"!

 

[waldoputty]

Why are you all arguing with him?

sorry but if i get slapped in the face, i tend to hit back.

 

[waldoputty]

Let me translate here.

The industry is rough right now, so instead of having ANY reads and link clinks we can get, because they're harder and harder to come by, we decided to piss off a huge segment of our readers and now they dont want to click our links any more.

Genius. Genius.

this guy is unbelievable to have the audacity to tell us to market his product AFTER threatening everyone...

RIP DMN

 

[waldoputty]

I wish there was an unlike tag for this post. But since there is not, I have done something even better. Within the last fifteen minutes I've UNSUBSCRIBED from the DMN online content. And I have this feeling when you guys check by the end of this week, it will show that your tactic actually has lost subscribers.


I joined this site along with many, many others not just for the great debates, but fir a one step shop for Cowboy's info. I will visit the news forum first before moving on to the fan forum. Because of the headers and brief description of the articles, I could pick and choice more wisely and efficiently my reading choices. Because of the many DMN articles I had interest in reading, I subscribed.


NOT ANYMORE!


I will support this site and it's creator and moderators before I support strong handed tactics from big business over us 99%'ers. This should have been handle totally differently.

Your subscription fee now goes to "The Cowboys Zone"!

Highly recommend this message!

 

[waldoputty]

We're just worked up here, we liked having their content and it stings a little, add to that the way it was handled.

I agree, some of the posts (certainly, mine included) are a little unbecoming. But we are fam here, and his firm aggressively attacked (in the form of a threatening C&D) our Admin.

Sorry, the post was hardly conciliatory.
It is more like - oh crap, our threatening letter is blowing up in our face.
I guess I will spin this so those stupid fans will still do our marketing for us - NOT!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Let me translate here.

The industry is rough right now, so instead of having ANY reads and link clinks we can get, because they're harder and harder to come by, we decided to piss off a huge segment of our readers and now they dont want to click our links any more.

Genius. Genius.

+1.

The DMN needs the CowboysZone more than the CowboysZone needs the DMN.





YR

 

[iceberg]

Posting links and headlines and tweets is fine.

My only concern is that hard-working journalists, people who spend hours checking facts, going to games and practices and trying to get stories right are rewarded and still have jobs in the future.

Recently, ESPN and the Fort Worth paper fired longtime writers. The business is rough right now because advertising on sites is not paying the bills. So many sites, like ours, are going the subscription route. I know it's not convenient to have to link to stories instead of copying and pasting them, but we really appreciate you helping us out.

and most places i know going pay - per - view are not doing that well either. journalism as a whole is taking hits left and right, fair or not. making yourselves more inaccessible will not only translate into less hits and people caring about what you're writing, or the time put into it, but ill-will from fanatics in here who will fight you just because they feel slighted.

like i said in one of my war and peace responses to all this - you could also just as easily found a way to cooperate and work with major gathering sites such as this.

facebook | twitter | mail - all have share links in which you control *what* you choose to share. simply add | forums and when clicked, you can have drop downs to pick the forum to post into as a new thread, or a reply to an existing one. work to setup, sure. but now look how many people you impressed by the effort.

as it stands, look how many people you "depressed" by the effort.

the people that come in here are fanatical in their own right. it's not just media outlets having a rough time, forums are. old ways of people communicating. all that is changing and morphing and the success of this site is directly related to the moves reality has made to keep old and new together as best as anyone can.

DMN is just going to step 4 in the beginners guide to online management.

i've been one of the bigger supporters of the DMN right to do this. i was many many years ago when people were pasting entire articles in here and i said "nope - not gonna fly" and the first paragraph or two came into being and was adopted here. there's a lot of positive ways to fix this for you and this site - unfortunately you chose the most adversarial path you could.

good luck.

 

[MrMom]

Unfortunate. They do have the most comprehensive coverage among the local media. Machota, George, Moore are all solid beat guys. Sturm has some of the best analytical work. Sure they have a click-baity editor in regards to their headlines, but such is the state of making a profit in journalism, gotta get those clicks.

At least we still have Archer and the dc.com crew. Hill is okay, hopefully Charean stays on the Cowboys beat.

 

[waldoputty]

Unfortunate. They do have the most comprehensive coverage among the local media. Machota, George, Moore are all solid beat guys. Sturm has some of the best analytical work. Sure they have a click-baity editor in regards to their headlines, but such is the state of making a profit in journalism, gotta get those clicks.

At least we still have Archer and the dc.com crew. Hill is okay, hopefully Charean stays on the Cowboys beat.

This is what DMN is worth

 

[tyke1doe]

It's not that simple. Their methods of distribution are part of the equation. I'm not a lawyer but I've actually been on the other side of this fight (DMNs). There is some gray area.

Their method of distribution? Please explain.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Their method of distribution? Please explain.

If DMN is using social media to promote its stories and within those posts they allow a portion of the story to be shared - they are giving others the right to share that content.

For instance, if on Facebook they post the link to a story, along with a headline and lead, then they are allowing anyone else on facebook to "share" that content as well. I believe it's in the Facebook user agreement as such. I know Twitter has it in its user agreement.

That opens the door for public sharing of content with proper due credit.

I'm not saying the whole story gets to be shared, but CZ has always told folks not to republish the whole story so that shouldn't have been an issue. So there could be contention as to how much is too much, I suppose. But that wasn't the issue here if I recall correctly, since the D&C said all content.

 

[iceberg]

If DMN is using social media to promote its stories and within those posts they allow a portion of the story to be shared - they are giving others the right to share that content.

For instance, if on Facebook they post the link to a story, along with a headline and lead, then they are allowing anyone else on facebook to "share" that content as well. I believe it's in the Facebook user agreement as such. I know Twitter has it in its user agreement.

That opens the door for public sharing of content with proper due credit.

I'm not saying the whole story gets to be shared, but CZ has always told folks not to republish the whole story so that shouldn't have been an issue. So there could be contention as to how much is too much, I suppose. But that wasn't the issue here if I recall correctly, since the D&C said all content.

did you hit the F or T link to see what they allow to be shared? it's the headline and maybe a lead in sentence. there is no real standard here or any newsgroup i know of to say to do the same. some people put in a paragraph,some include more - much more at times.

i understand their move. i just think they had much better ones available to them.

 

[Idgit]

I'm here. And I've brought my pitchfork. Somebody tell me where to stick it.

 

[iceberg]

I'm here. And I've brought my pitchfork. Somebody tell me where to stick it.

we should hold a raffle. winner gets to tell you.

 

[waldoputty]

I'm here. And I've brought my pitchfork. Somebody tell me where to stick it.

their editor has an account...