Dallas should learn from Ravens on QB negotiation

[DeaconMoss]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
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[CowboyRoy]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
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The price was good. We see that now as Dak is a bargain at 40 million. Sadly.

the trade clause was a mistake I agree. I do like what the Ravens are doing here. But someone could come in with two low first round picks and take him. Im not sure they care.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Jerry got played.

It wasn't the first time and it won't be the last time.

He gave out the worst RB contract in the NFL and, at the time of signing, the worst QB contract in the NFL.

That RB contract is STILL the worst RB contract in the league and the QB contract is still in the top 5 worst QB contracts in the NFL. The only one def. worse is the Watson contract.

How this man became successful in business is truly a miracle seeing how he negotiates contracts and his eye for talent.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

 

[links18]

How this man became successful in business is truly a miracle seeing how he negotiates contracts and his eye for talent.

He gets homey sentimental thoughts about certain players and won't let them go.

 

[john van brocklin]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

This is what you get when you have a well meaning amateur as your GM.
Until we get a professional running this team we will get more of the same.
28 years of no post season success.
It's really sad, as it's totally preventable.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

 

[fivetwos]

It has to start with having plan B already in house.

But Jerry doesn’t want to hurt anyones feelings or gain leverage in negotiations.

 

[atlantacowboy]

One of the reasons Jerry is such a horrible GM is that he telegraphs every move and publicly shares his thoughts. Dak's agent knew going into negotiations that Jerry was going to agree to pretty everything they wanted. The Ravens are a smart team. They haven't won anything with Lamar paying him a modest salary so how are they going to build a winner paying him like he's Mahomes? There is no market for him and the Ravens were smart letting them test it. Now, the team is back in the drivers seat where it belongs making decisions that are in their best interest.

Jerry will never learn.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market.

Please read this

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

You know how those people were about Romo? You know how you talk about them and your hate for the way they were about Romo?

That's how you are about Dak now.

Do you know what people like that are called?

 

[FanofJerry]

Dude...can you not put the pieces together?

Jerry is using reverse psychology by making bad mistakes on purpose so Stephen learns quicker and those mistakes fester in Stephens head so that when Stephen takes the helm he can navigate with ease.

DUH

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

Ravens have always been “Conservative “ about paying their qb. They only done it once before and they went the same role. Only reason they even paid Flacco was becaue they had to becaue he betted on himself and had one of those Eli postseason runs. The ravens pays the defense before offense(outside of oline) soon as Flacco got paid it was weird. I didn’t think Flacco was ever a top qb in The league but I never seen a franchise get treated so less. Flacco had so many hit pieces from the media and he was as quiet and squeaky clean as they come. I really believe the Ravens wanted to let him walk but couldn’t do it after he had that great postseason.
Other than that they never paid big for a qb. they did trade for McNair that’s as it

 

[America's Cowboy]

You know how those people were about Romo? You know how you talk about them and your hate for the way they were about Romo?

That's how you are about Dak now.

Do you know what people like that are called?

No. Totally different. I've never agreed or liked Dak bring overpaid. The Romo diehards never complained once when Romo was overpaid TWICE. They never suggested to Romo what they demand of Dak today either. HUGE difference.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Please read this.......I'm not trying to defend Jerry's boatloads of mistakes but if you throwing him under the bus for not using the non-exclusive tag on Dak, what about the other 31 owners........over 31 years.

BTW....Even now it's an exception coz the ONLY reason the Ravens are using it coz Lamar refuses to back down from his demand of 100% G-money. In other words, there are plenty of reasons to bash Jerry and throw him under the bus but this isn't one of them.

No owner team is going to let ANOTHER team dictate the structure/money of their starting QB, which is why it's never happened.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Nothing has really changed so far. LJ will likely play on the tag, just like Dak did. It all depends on the actual contract he gets in the end.

 

[Ekspozed]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

Most teams don't pay for middling?

Actually, most teams overpay trying to find competent quarterbacks ..

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Why are people still going on about Dak's contract? Most of us that were in favor of signing him were in the, "let's sign him before 2019 when he's scheduled to make $2 million, so we can get him for cheaper long term."
Jerry didn't, played hard ball, and we signed him in 2020 for 4 years $160 million...more or less the same deal Daniel Jones just signed...Just two years into Dak's deal...Daniel Jones has a similar deal.
We said don't get caught up in the numbers, because after Dak signs another of other QBs will eclipse his deal. That what was more important, was that he was signed *before* these other QBs sign deals and inflate the market. But instead we Jerry let Goff, and Wentz and even Mahomes sign deals.
And exactly what we all said would happen...happened almost immediately after Dak signed.
Brees retired and Rogers, Wilson, Murray, Watson, Allen all signed new deals.

And guess what? I don't know what a Dak extension will look like. He has leverage in that we could really use the space, but not a ton because the market actually looks settled now as opposed to a few years ago. Top guys will approach $50 million, few other guys will get in excess of $45 million, guys on Dak's level probably between $40-42 million. But it makes a lot of sense to get it done before the next group of QBs start signing extensions. Burrow and Hurts could potentially exceed $50 million based on upside. Obviously they don't have the resume that Rogers has, but both have been to a Super Bowl. Once one of those young guys exceeds $50 million, the market will get a major shake up again

 

[Coogiguy03]

Let him set the market what the hell does it mean, then bring the offer back to the team to do exactly what????

 

[Aven8]

It’s hard to negotiate when you are doing it for yourself from the tub. An agent would have gotten him a new deal already.