Dallas should learn from Ravens on QB negotiation

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Jerry got played.

It wasn't the first time and it won't be the last time.

He gave out the worst RB contract in the NFL and, at the time of signing, the worst QB contract in the NFL.

That RB contract is STILL the worst RB contract in the league and the QB contract is still in the top 5 worst QB contracts in the NFL. The only one def. worse is the Watson contract.

How this man became successful in business is truly a miracle seeing how he negotiates contracts and his eye for talent.

LOL

 

[cowboysfan99]

Jerry never learns. They didn't learn from the Gurley contract that you shouldn't give a RB a huge payday in today's game.

 

[Adreme]

The price was good. We see that now as Dak is a bargain at 40 million. Sadly.

the trade clause was a mistake I agree. I do like what the Ravens are doing here. But someone could come in with two low first round picks and take him. Im not sure they care.

The thing is only a couple teams have the cap space to offer a deal the Ravens can’t match and specifically the Bears have a QB right now.

 

[Ranching]

Another Dak hate thread...lol! He's in your heads!!!

 

[baltcowboy]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

First of the Joneses were not going to disrespect Dak by lowballing him. Dak got $120 million in guarantees and the same overall money that Daniel Jones got. Dak’s contract was less then Watson’s first extension with Houston. The contract is fine. Teams actually were going to bid on Dak. The non exclusive was 25 million then. Jackson wants to change the way teams pay quarterbacks. He wants $230+ million in guarantees. Big difference.

 

[jterrell]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

Too many people make dumb posts on here.

Dallas tagged Dak then AFTER a tag had to either pay the upcharge to tag him again the next season, lose him for nothing more than a Comp pick, or sign him.
Eating a full tag QB cap hit is asinine.

Baltimore did nothing smart here. They still have no real long-term leverage and will be faced with Lamar as URFA next year if they do not give him the money he wants to sign.
The issue for Dallas AND Baltimore is you do not let your starting QB get to URFA.
You leverage those cheap rookie years to extend the deal.
Had Dallas done that they would be paying Dak 30M a year instead of 40M.

Derek Carr and Daniel Jones just got Dak money. Lamar will have very real value when he hits free agency.
Teams are just unwilling to draw up deals for BMore to match.

The franchise tag protects players far more than teams.
I just wish people were bright enough to see that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Bargain? In what way? To compare to Daniel Jones?

I mean I just don't understand how you can say 40 mill is any kind of a bargain when Cooper Rush went 4-1 with this team.

He flopped against the 49's - Rush could have done that!

Yes, with a guy like Jones getting 40 million Dak is a bargain. And some of the other clowns like Watson and Arizona QB at 50 million.

Rush didnt go 4-1 the Cowboys did. Defense was playing incredible during that stretch against mostly mild competition and Rush and the offense were putting up 20 points per week. Hardly an offensive powerhouse.

You do realize that the Niners D was #1 in the NFL right? Hardly something to cry about where the entire offense flopped. Did you expect something different with Zeke as the only back?

Dak had arguably the best performance by a QB in playoff history the week prior against the bucs with 300 yards and 5 TD's.

Cherry pick your games is what trolls do.

 

[aikemirv]

Yes, with a guy like Jones getting 40 million Dak is a bargain. And some of the other clowns like Watson and Arizona QB at 50 million.

Rush didnt go 4-1 the Cowboys did. Defense was playing incredible during that stretch against mostly mild competition and Rush and the offense were putting up 20 points per week. Hardly an offensive powerhouse.

You do realize that the Niners D was #1 in the NFL right? Hardly something to cry about where the entire offense flopped. Did you expect something different with Zeke as the only back?

Dak had arguably the best performance by a QB in playoff history the week prior against the bucs with 300 yards and 5 TD's.

Cherry pick your games is what trolls do.

No bargain at 40 mill unless you win the Super Bowl - otherwise it is 40 mill wasted

 

[tm1119]

Lol at Jackson being a middling 10-20 ranked QB. No way you can name more than 8 guys better than Jackson. What he’s done with literally nothing on that Baltimore offense is pretty amazing. There will be more than 1 offer sheet.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak has a good contract

too bad thats going up now.

 

[Reid1boys]

Please read this.......I'm not trying to defend Jerry's boatloads of mistakes but if you throwing him under the bus for not using the non-exclusive tag on Dak, what about the other 31 owners........over 31 years.

BTW....Even now it's an exception coz the ONLY reason the Ravens are using it coz Lamar refuses to back down from his demand of 100% G-money. In other words, there are plenty of reasons to bash Jerry and throw him under the bus but this isn't one of them.

No owner team is going to let ANOTHER team dictate the structure/money of their starting QB, which is why it's never happened.

Add in the fact that all those teams that so quickly said they have no interest in Lamar are fully aware of what he wants in his contract. He wants Watson type 1/4 billion dollars fully guaranteed..... NO TEAM wants to do that. So the Ravens are in a unique position that the Cowboys were not in. It is being perfectly played by the Ravens. IF a team signed Lamar to a decent deal (which Lamar wont sign) the Ravens would just match it. Since they know not a single team is going to entertain a 250 million guaranteed deal, they can play this game. BUT..... dont think for a second that Lamar isnt going to get his revenge. You dont think Lamar could have played last year? You dont think Lamar wasnt sending a message?

Wait till Lamar signs that non exclusive tag for 32 million... just watch how many injuries and how many games he misses next year. I can see it now. Lamar back to pass and he gets hit hard on a sack.... damn, that hurt a little. Im out bruh. I cant play the rest of this game.

Following week, Lamar scrambles for 20 yards and comes up limping... damn ruh, that ankle is hurting , Im out. Hey coach.... my check will still be in the bank on Monday, right? Then when this starts happening, lets see how many of you say the Ravens did the right thing.

The Ravens are playing a game of chicken that I dont think they can win.... though I am gld they signed up to play. id like more teams to screw these players when they sit out. As an owner, Id let them sit and collect not a penny. Next year Id let them sit again.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The thing is only a couple teams have the cap space to offer a deal the Ravens can’t match and specifically the Bears have a QB right now.

Not sure. Teams can make cap room. I think the Ravens made a great play here. I would entertain doing that for Dak at some point.

Personally I would not pay Jackson 50 million per year for 5 years all guaranteed which is probably what he is asking for.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

Exactly. They need to let that Romo stuff go. It’s over.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

You must be high. Ravens have handled this Lamar thing foolish. Just stupid. Don’t learn anything from how they are handling this.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jerry never learns. They didn't learn from the Gurley contract that you shouldn't give a RB a huge payday in today's game.

Zeke contract hasn’t hurt them people really overrate that contract. They can get from under it as soon as this year.

 

[USArmyVet]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

Oh those big mean Dak haters make things so terrible in my CZ safe space. Someone, please call the waaaaambulance.

 

[conner01]

Dallas should have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Dak and let him set the market. If there was one to be set. Instead Dallas did the ultimate Dumbo thing and caved to every demand from Dak and his agent. Including the worse part. No trade clause. This is and was a terrible contract.

Dak is in the same tier of QB as LJ. Middling 10-20. Both have varying skillsets and strengths. Both have poor playoff records. NFL teams apparently don't pay for middling. I have said this from the beginning the Jones boys really messed this one up and now the fans and the team is paying the price. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Excerpts:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-top-wr-on-market-steelers-get-franchise-lt/

"The franchise tag was designed by NFL owners to prevent key players from becoming available to the rest of the league, specifically quarterbacks and very specifically young quarterbacks at the end of their contracts. Restricting player movement was a hallmark of NFL dynasties for years, until Reggie White busted free agency open. You don't see a player of this caliber hit the market. You just don't!

The idea of Baltimore dangling Jackson to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams.

And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the past 3-5 years.
And yet, when Lamar Jackson became available... not one NFL team is interested?
This is a former MVP we're talking about, one of the most electric athletes in all of professional sports, a legitimate franchise quarterback who turned 26 years old in January.

This is the big one here. Jackson, by all accounts, wants a fully guaranteed deal. The Ravens chose to let the market tell him what his value was and the market magically dried up! We won't ever know what he might be willing to take because teams aren't even floating out offer sheets. A fully guaranteed deal would require matching every dollar in escrow (an antiquated rule from a time when not every NFL owner had hundreds of millions of dollars), which is something even the wealthiest NFL owner doesn't want to deal with (again, more on that in a second). If we're talking max guarantees, that's a potential problem with the salary cap, even though the salary cap more and more appears to clearly be a myth.

Giving up multiple first-round picks is not something NFL teams want to do. Two first-round picks for any NFL player is a fairly steep price, but it's absolutely in line with what we've seen other franchise quarterbacks go for in the trade market recently. The Rams and Broncos gave up similar hauls for Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson. And this isn't two firsts for a cost-controlled player you would get in the draft.
"

The ravens offered him 50 mil a year and they know that no teams is giving up two first rounds picks for a QB who turned down 50 mil a year. So they get him a little cheaper for a year and hope he gets his sanity back

 

[conner01]

It’s hard to negotiate when you are doing it for yourself from the tub. An agent would have gotten him a new deal already.

Probably so because an agent would have pointed out the deal he was offered and turned down was a great deal

 

[shabazz]

It’s hard to negotiate when you are doing it for yourself from the tub. An agent would have gotten him a new deal already.

I thought his momma was the negotiator in chief?

 

[KJJ]

The QB market was already set when Dak signed. He was playing great football and putting up huge numbers when he signed. Jackson is a mediocre passer who’s missed 10 games the past two seasons with injuries. His running ability is what makes him a great player. According to Michael Robinson he thinks the backup QB the Ravens have is a better passer than Jackson who’s looking for at least $50 million per season. That’s a ton of money for a QB that hasn’t been available the last month the past two seasons and hasn’t thrown more than 26 TDs since 2020.