Dallas should learn from Ravens on QB negotiation

[Flamma]

We just won’t agree on this. Much like Purdy last year (and Dak as a rookie), Dak has to be surrounded by wideouts that can get separation, an o-line that can give him NFL average time to throw, and a decent running game. He’ll be fine if he gets that.

I’m not so sure he won’t give the team a discount. I’ve said that if he tries to get top money, he’s got to go unless he does something spectacular through the rest of this contract. I don’t begrudge his agent getting him the bag on his first deal. He played for peanuts on his rookie deal. Now that he has his money, he’s in a life position to take less and still make generational wealth.

I'm not sure what you're not agreeing with. All the guy said was that Dak was being paid top QB money, and isn't a top QB. But that's all QBs coming off their rookie deal. It doesn't matter how good they are, if you want to keep them, they will insist on top market value, or very close to it. See Daniel Jones.

As far as a team friendly deal going forward, this upcoming season will determine what kind of extension he gets. If any.

 

[Hadenough]

It’s hard to negotiate when you are doing it for yourself from the tub. An agent would have gotten him a new deal already.

He is greedy! Doesn't want to pay an agent.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

 

[LovinItAll]

I'm not sure what you're not agreeing with. All the guy said was that Dak was being paid top QB money, and isn't a top QB. But that's all QBs coming off their rookie deal. It doesn't matter how good they are, if you want to keep them, they will insist on top market value, or very close to it. See Daniel Jones.

As far as a team friendly deal going forward, this upcoming season will determine what kind of extension he gets. If any.

He’s not getting paid top QB money now. He only cracks the top 5 in 2 year money and signing bonus, coming in at #7 in total cash. That’s top 25%, and he’s close to that given what he had to work with on the field last year.

If the Cowboys win 10+ games, Prescott most likely comes back. If they go 12-5 yet again, he’s definitely coming back. My point is that we’ll see if he’s about winning or about the money when he signs his next deal. The Cowboys aren’t ‘rebuilding’, so they aren’t getting a young stud in the draft on a sweet rookie deal.

 

[NumOneQB]

Jackson wants a fully guaranteed deal and that’s the only reason why the Ravens have done this. No NFL team is going to touch him with a 10ft pool and they all know this. He’ll come back to the table and sign a contract more in-line with what the ravens want. Don’t kid yourselves, it’s going to be a massive deal, just not a fully guaranteed one.

 

[DeaconMoss]

We just won’t agree on this. Much like Purdy last year (and Dak as a rookie), Dak has to be surrounded by wideouts that can get separation, an o-line that can give him NFL average time to throw, and a decent running game. He’ll be fine if he gets that.

I’m not so sure he won’t give the team a discount. I’ve said that if he tries to get top money, he’s got to go unless he does something spectacular through the rest of this contract. I don’t begrudge his agent getting him the bag on his first deal. He played for peanuts on his rookie deal. Now that he has his money, he’s in a life position to take less and still make generational wealth.

We agree. Except he has had time to throw and an incredible run game and more than adequate receivers. Last year the WR group was lacking some but when you make quadrillion dollars 4 has to make it happen with what he has. What he lacked at wr the defense has made up for it.

 

[LovinItAll]

We agree. Except he has had time to throw and an incredible run game and more than adequate receivers. Last year the WR group was lacking some but when you make quadrillion dollars 4 has to make it happen with what he has. What he lacked at wr the defense has made up for it.

The Cowboys receiving corps was definitely not more than adequate. They ranked in the bottom 4 (I think) in separation last year as a team. We didn’t have a single guy in the top 25 in sep. That means any QB has to be FAR more accurate than a QB throwing to a Hill, Adams, Chase, Kupp, Diggs, etc. Yes, Dak threw some bad ints in addition to his int total going up, but that’s going to happen when more throws are contested due to lack of separation.

The running game was okay. We did go 12-5, after all. I love Zeke, and I hope we can replace him with someone who’s going to almost always get those 3rd and 2 first downs. Pollard is still a question mark in my mind. Getting a good complimentary RB is going to be so important. Pollard can’t tote it 22-25x/game.

Dak’s pocket time was 2.5, which is average. Our o-line is aging and we can only hope to see continued improvement from our younger guys.

Look, I get it. Everyone wants post-season success. It starts with regular season success though, and we’ve had plenty of that with Dak.

I wish people would get off the money topic. It isn’t as if there’s another guy we could pay the same amount of money and get a better QB, and there’s no one we can pay $10MM less and him be as good as Dak. Dak’s contract was big when he signed it, but it will be middle of the pack when it ends. Not an unusual story. What really blew was that it was just a 4 year deal. If it had been 6 years at $40MM per, we’d have a cheap QB in ‘25 and ‘26. He’s going to be pretty cheap compared to the league average in ‘24.

I’m not a hater or a lover. He is what he is. I think he’s good enough to win a championship, but he’s not an elite QB and he needs more help than PM, Burrow, and 3-4 others.

 

[Flamma]

He’s not getting paid top QB money now. He only cracks the top 5 in 2 year money and signing bonus, coming in at #7 in total cash. That’s top 25%, and he’s close to that given what he had to work with on the field last year.

If the Cowboys win 10+ games, Prescott most likely comes back. If they go 12-5 yet again, he’s definitely coming back. My point is that we’ll see if he’s about winning or about the money when he signs his next deal. The Cowboys aren’t ‘rebuilding’, so they aren’t getting a young stud in the draft on a sweet rookie deal.

I see what you mean now. I think you're nitpicking now. At the time he was paid as a top QB. And 40 million a year is considered within the range of top QB money.

I personally think Dak is getting an extension even if the Cowboys go 7-10. It would take a monumental collapse for them to move on.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

you weren't here, you were on the old board crying about Romo and him dating women. Remember, you and your hate buddies were there every day. Cowboy_bragger, Casper, and a couple more clowns. Crying 24/7, you sowed the seeds now reap it.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

you weren't here, you were on the old board crying about Romo and him dating women. Remember, you and your hate buddies were there every day. Cowboy_bragger, Casper, and a couple more clowns. Crying 24/7, you sowed the seeds now reap it.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Market didn’t dry up for Lamar, teams just don’t want to give up multiple ones. Balt just pissed off their franchise player/QB.

Bad move IMO

 

[Acceptablename]

Jerry got played.

It wasn't the first time and it won't be the last time.

He gave out the worst RB contract in the NFL and, at the time of signing, the worst QB contract in the NFL.

That RB contract is STILL the worst RB contract in the league and the QB contract is still in the top 5 worst QB contracts in the NFL. The only one def. worse is the Watson contract.

How this man became successful in business is truly a miracle seeing how he negotiates contracts and his eye for talent.

I’m not sure how or why Jerry Jones got played. DAK is right in range with quarterbacks of his skill set?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’m not sure how or why Jerry Jones got played. DAK is right in range with quarterbacks of his skill set?

He was the 2nd highest paid player in NFL history when he signed his contract.

He got played.

 

[Strykerscm]

I guarantee that these Dak hating old Romo diehards would have NEVER demanded the same against Romo. Actually, I know it's true because I was here every day, and the NEVER demanded the same about Romo. They even attacked the handful few who did. Sounds familiar, eh?

Romo didn’t have a bad brain and breathing issues. So there’s that.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Romo didn’t have a bad brain and breathing issues. So there’s that.

Dak wants to respond.....

 

[Ranching]

Dak wants to respond.....

 

[erod]

No. Totally different. I've never agreed or liked Dak bring overpaid. The Romo diehards never complained once when Romo was overpaid TWICE. They never suggested to Romo what they demand of Dak today either. HUGE difference.

Because Romo carried the team, while Dak is a pedestrian bus driver with extremely limited ability.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was the 2nd highest paid player in NFL history when he signed his contract.

He got played.

Who were the other QBs who signed that offseason?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Who were the other QBs who signed that offseason?

Unless there was about 20 other QBs that got paid more than Dak then he was and still is overpaid.

I don't even mind overpaying for a QB if the talent is there. The talent isn't there with Dak.

Jerry got played and the Dak contract will go down the with Zeke and Tank contracts as 3 of the top 5 worst contracts Jerry has even given.

 

[khiladi]

I’d take LJ over Dak any day of the week. Dude threw 36 TDs in his second year, while Dak was flailing around and it took year 6 for Dak to even get anywhere close to that and it’s required a lot of stat-padding against bottom-dwellers and third stringers in the last game of the season.

Much quicker release and stronger arm and lighter on his feet. Way more agile.