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I'm glad that Dallas won this game, but the Mavericks NEED TO GUARD THE 3-pointer!

I know I'm probably harping on this for no reason, but when I saw Dallas' defense in the second and third quarters, I see Warrior players open and waiting at the three point line. When I see the Warrior defense, I see Maverick players blanketed.

Once Dallas guards the 3, the Mavs will win handily.
 

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SlwSVT;1484951 said:
Whether you like it or not, Mark Cuban is the leadership. He owns the team and signs the paychecks. He has the ability to can Avery (I am a great regular season coach, but have not won anything yet) Johnson at will. But, your point is Jackson is the thug, classless player. But, he is just one player, he is not the coach, nor the owner. You should really be looking at how much heart Jackson, Davis and a few other Warriors have. If the Mavs, had that kind of leadership, we would not even be talking about this series.

avery has a ring with THE SPURS, thankyouverymuch!

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SlwSVT;1484951 said:
Whether you like it or not, Mark Cuban is the leadership. He owns the team and signs the paychecks. He has the ability to can Avery (I am a great regular season coach, but have not won anything yet) Johnson at will.

:rolleyes:

You're right, Cuban IS the leadership. I mean, when they call timeouts, he makes all the speeches to the team, he draws up the plays, AND he's the coach! :rolleyes:

Are you kidding me about Avery? He's had so few seasons as the Mavs HC, so you can't really generalize anything.


Whoa, did you guys hear about Richardson?
 

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Avery winning a ring with the Spurs, has nothing to do with coaching the team to a championship. If thats the case Magic Johnson was one of the greatest coaches of all time, with all those rings he has. Oh wait, he flaked in his coaching stints with the Lakers.
 

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SlwSVT;1484964 said:
Avery winning a ring with the Spurs, has nothing to do with coaching the team to a championship. If thats the case Magic Johnson was one of the greatest coaches of all time, with all those rings he has. Oh wait, he flaked in his coaching stints with the Lakers.

But I never said that. All I said was that it's a bit early to say he's a bad coaoch.
 

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phillycowboyslover;1484942 said:
he definitely threw him down. honestly, i'm shocked it hasn't garned more attention thus far, but i won't be surprised if the league reacts, especially given his past.

that said, the warriors are being sore losers. i agree.
terry is a girl. last year he punched mike finley in the groin
 

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SlwSVT;1484920 said:
The refs were definately key down the stretch. No call on Dirk when he fouled Richardson on that last 3. No call on Dirk bumping and going over the back on Barnes on the missed free throw. The phantom call on Davis in the back court against Howard. The game should be decided by the players, not the refs.
No they weren't. Dirk is 7'. You can't punish the guy for being taller than the other guy. I must've missed the last 3 by Richardson, cuz I don't recall that play. I'd have to see it to comment on it.

The only questionable call was on the final foul on Davis. And that's because typically in that situation, the players are told to foul to stop the clock. The ref had a quick whistle, which they are trained to do, so that it doesn't get ugly.

The Terry shot on Baron Davis was so not needed. I think he forgot he was on a basketball court, cuz the move itself was the kind you do when someone walks up on you from behind on the streets somewhere. I betcha the ref thought for a sec about tossing him. it was a cheap shot. Period.

Golden State had good looks at the basket at the end of game, they just weren't falling in. I wouldn't blame them for the method, because they were hitting their shots earlier. They were hitting some big ones. They had several chances to put 'em away and didn't. Instead of taking the threes that were originally falling in, they should've started driving the lane to draw fouls. They didn't adjust.

And honestly, no matter what his numbers say, Dirk didn't play all that well for me. He was too silent for too much of a long stretch. Superstars shouldn't go in the background like that for that kind of time. He shows up in the final minutes and all of a sudden, he saves the day. Whatever. :rolleyes: Where were you in the 3rd quarter when GS was making their run?

Thought Devin Harris should've been driving from the start. His shots weren't falling and nobody could hold him. He kept the Mavs in the game while Dirk was taking a siesta.

Overall, it was a great game. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
 

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WoodysGirl;1485082 said:
No they weren't. Dirk is 7'. You can't punish the guy for being taller than the other guy.
You did see what NBA refs used to do to Ralph Sampson didn't you? He was surely punished for being 7'4".
 

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I wish people would stop trying to blame the refs ..... The Mavs won because they made their shots at the end of the game and the Warriors lost their composure.
 

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WoodysGirl;1485082 said:
Superstars shouldn't go in the background like that for that kind of time. He shows up in the final minutes and all of a sudden, he saves the day. Whatever. :rolleyes:

This comment really makes no sense to me. Basketball is a game of runs and the Mavericks made their run early and then Golden State made their run.

Baron Davis struggled mightily early in the game and then started coming on strong, does that make him less of a Superstar because he wasn't having a great shooting night at the onset but eventually got it together and started hitting big shots?

Doesn't matter when Dirk appeared, re-appeared, disappeared etc etc, all that matters is the guy showed up when it mattered and got the job done.

- Mike G.
 

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zrinkill;1485119 said:
I wish people would stop trying to blame the refs ..... The Mavs won because they made their shots at the end of the game and the Warriors lost their composure.
The Mavs looked like a team just trying not to get closed out a home. Blowout for the Warriors in game 6.
 

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jimmy40;1485131 said:
The Mavs looked like a team just trying not to get closed out a home. Blowout for the Warriors in game 6.

How were they suppose to look...like a team that wanted to get closed out?

- Mike G.
 

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Avery did a masterful job of coaching at the end of the game by completely swarming Davis and completely taking the Warriors out of their offensive flow.

That was the key to the game IMO, much more so than Nowitski making those shots. Even making those shots, Golden State had proven all night long that they could answer on offense. But that small defensive change disrupted GS's ball movement and kept them from scoring in the final 2 minutes.

FWIW, anyone blaming the refs in this game is grasping at straws. I think Dirk may have fouled Richardson on that last 3, but it was a tiny touch foul and Richardson comically fell into the stands to "sell" it, and I think that worked against him.

All that said, I'm now convinced, for the first time in the series, that GS will the series in game 6. The Mavs threw everything they could at them... scored at will... and had a huge lead, but still they couldn't shake the Warriors.
 

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mickgreen58;1485134 said:
How were they suppose to look...like a team that wanted to get closed out?

- Mike G.
They will in game 6.
 

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jimmy40;1485110 said:
You did see what NBA refs used to do to Ralph Sampson didn't you? He was surely punished for being 7'4".
Doesn't mean it was right. Typically, it's not "over the back" (not an actual foul, BTW) if the guy is taller than somebody else and reaches over him to get the rebound. It's a foul if he goes through the player to try to get the rebound. And it shouldn't matter about the height of the players.

zrinkill;1485119 said:
I wish people would stop trying to blame the refs ..... The Mavs won because they made their shots at the end of the game and the Warriors lost their composure.
Warriors lost their composure in the final seconds. But they lost the game because they couldn't hit their shots in the final minutes. 15-0 run at the end where the Warriors had plenty of shot opportunities, they just didn't fall.

mickgreen58;1485120 said:
This comment really makes no sense to me. Basketball is a game of runs and the Mavericks made their run early and then Golden State made their run.

Baron Davis struggled mightily early in the game and then started coming on strong, does that make him less of a Superstar because he wasn't having a great shooting night at the onset but eventually got it together and started hitting big shots?

Doesn't matter when Dirk appeared, re-appeared, disappeared etc etc, all that matters is the guy showed up when it mattered and got the job done.

- Mike G.
This wasn't about runs, though, Mike. Players are going to struggle with their shot. That wasn't my issue with Dirk.

Dirk was completely taken out of the game in the 2nd half. Me and my dad were watching together (albeit on the phone) and we were both commenting on where is Dirk. Completely silent. When GS was making their run, he wasn't the go-to guy who was keeping it together.

And though I think Dirk is a great player, he was sucking it up last night.
 

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WoodysGirl;1485159 said:
This wasn't about runs, though, Mike. Players are going to struggle with their shot. That wasn't my issue with Dirk.

Dirk was completely taken out of the game in the 2nd half. Me and my dad were watching together (albeit on the phone) and we were both commenting on where is Dirk. Completely silent. When GS was making their run, he wasn't the go-to guy who was keeping it together.

And though I think Dirk is a great player, he was sucking it up last night.

See I think that is where the big disagreement is. I don't think Dirk was taken out of his game, Dirk takes himself out of his game.

If you notice during the GS vaunted run, the Mavericks, led by Dirk and Terry were starting to become the jump shooting team of all.

Dirk also started waiting for the double team to come instead of just getting the ball and doing whatever he wants to do. In the first half, he didn't care, he got the ball and didn't wait, but if you notice when GS made their run, he started to wait for the double team.

I don't think they took Dirk out of the game, he took himself out.

And I have to disagree with you on another point, Dirk isn't a great player to me, he is a extremely good player, but I don't think he is a great player :) .

- Mike G.
 

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mickgreen58;1485172 said:
See I think that is where the big disagreement is. I don't think Dirk was taken out of his game, Dirk takes himself out of his game.

If you notice during the GS vaunted run, the Mavericks, led by Dirk and Terry were starting to become the jump shooting team of all.

Dirk also started waiting for the double team to come instead of just getting the ball and doing whatever he wants to do. In the first half, he didn't care, he got the ball and didn't wait, but if you notice when GS made their run, he started to wait for the double team.

I don't think they took Dirk out of the game, he took himself out.
I guess I didn't really see how physical they were with him. Not allowing him to get good position on the low block. So yeah we disagree on that point. Players don't always take themselves out of the game. Sometimes the defense has something to do with it.

I do agree, however, that they fell into jump shooting mode. Everytime they drove, they got success, but they would still go down and take a shot from outside. Golden State has no real inside presence. They can punish them by going inside. But the Mavs have too many fade-away jump shooters.
And I have to disagree with you on another point, Dirk isn't a great player to me, he is a extremely good player, but I don't think he is a great player :) .

- Mike G.
Semantics Mike. :) I'm not putting him in a Top 50 all-time category.
 

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dirk just doesnt have a killer instinct, thats why he is a pansy and he cant be a leader
 

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WoodysGirl;1485184 said:
I guess I didn't really see how physical they were with him. Not allowing him to get good position on the low block. So yeah we disagree on that point. Players don't always take themselves out of the game. Sometimes the defense has something to do with it.

I do agree, however, that they fell into jump shooting mode. Everytime they drove, they got success, but they would still go down and take a shot from outside. Golden State has no real inside presence. They can punish them by going inside. But the Mavs have too many fade-away jump shooters.
Semantics Mike. :) I'm not putting him in a Top 50 all-time category.

Good points.

I just think that the paint is there for the taking if the Mavericks want it. GS's defense is somewhat underrated, but nonetheless, they are not a great defensive team.

And Kenny Smith did a great job of highlighting Dirk catching the ball and bascially surrendering to the double team but just looking for it to come instead of attacking.

- Mike G.
 
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