Dan Quinn as head coach is overrated

[gimmesix]

With Pete Carrol‘s departure announced today, Seattle suddenly seems more interesting for Dan Quinn. Returning to where he won a SB as a DC might be a draw for him.

Obviously I don’t know but I will be surprised if Sea doesn’t pursue DQ.

I would be very wary of a team tied to Geno Smith as QB. I think he's one of those players who flashes like he could be great but can't maintain it. I'd look for a better QB situation than that.

 

[KJJ]

Again, most teams that have made it to a Super Bowl have had a top-notch QB. Landry had Staubach. Johnson had Aikman. Belichick had Brady. If we're going to ding one for that, we have to ding the rest.

However, I do absolutely agree that it shows (outside of a few examples) that you need to go into a good QB situation. That's why I would only consider the Chargers if I was Quinn. In Washington, he'd get to pick his QB with the No. 2 pick, but that also means you sink or swim with the rookie. By the time, he's ready to swim, you may be gone.

No assurances in Washington he would be given the final say on who he drafts. Washington has had some of the worst luck drafting QBs. They’ve had two top five QBs go bust since 1994. They’ve had 3 other first round QBs go bust. The last one was Dwayne Haskins. The best QB they’ve drafted the past 30 years was Cousins and they let him walk which was a mistake they’re still paying for with draft picks and losses.

 

[gimmesix]

No assurances in Washington he would be given the final say on who he drafts. Washington has had some of the worst luck drafting QBs. They’ve had two top five QBs go bust since 1994. They’ve had 3 other first round QBs go bust. The last one was Dwayne Haskins. The best QB they’ve drafted the past 30 years was Cousins and they let him walk which was a mistake they’re still paying for with draft picks and losses.

Agreed. I'd be very wary of that situation, even without little Danny in the ownership mix. There have been enough busts at QB that I'd only go where there is a sure thing. Out of the jobs available, the Chargers seem to be the only ones who fit that criteria. I mean, there are big questions at QB for all the rest of them.

Now, maybe Quinn is so defensive-minded that he's not concerned about who the QB is, but he should be.

 

[Davidlee1973]

They did not win a Super Bowl before Staubach or after Staubach. Landry was an absolutely great coach, but if we're going to knock coaches for only winning when they had great QBs, then Landry would have to be knocked as well. Landry did take Dallas to a Super Bowl with Morton as his primary QB (although Staubach played as well), but Denver also went to a Super Bowl with Morton as QB.

The issue he is not just players. It’s also coordinators. Quinn had shanahan In atlanta. As soon as shanahan left Atlanta went to crap

 

[Loso86]

It an offensive league and anybody hiring a defensive coach will fail. Quinn was only successful in Atlanta while shanahan was there to run the offense and Matt Ryan. Once shanahan left Atlanta went down fast.
Shanahans offense still owns Quinn he better figure that out before he goes to Seattle where he will be looking up at shanahan every week

Umm ok

 

[Blackspider214]

Didn’t seem to hurt the Patriots.
Quinn took a crap team like Atlanta to the SB and a halftime lead over NE before they imploded. People tend to focus on the final failure and being fired instead of what a coach built and accomplished.

But the Patriots have arguably the best to ever do it at the most important position. What happened to Bill after Brady left? What was Bill's career as a head coach before he got Brady?

 

[Bobhaze]

I would be very wary of a team tied to Geno Smith as QB. I think he's one of those players who flashes like he could be great but can't maintain it. I'd look for a better QB situation than that.

Yeah, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the hawks are active this off-season to acquire someone else. They have the 16th pick in the draft next year in a fairly deep QB draft. Geno Smith isn’t great but he’s certainly not the worst either.

Remember- if a guy who wants to be a HC again only coaches if he has a great QB, he wont have a ton of opportunities. There aren’t many great QBs in this league which is why the pay scale is so high.

 

[KJJ]

Agreed. I'd be very wary of that situation, even without little Danny in the ownership mix. There have been enough busts at QB that I'd only go where there is a sure thing. Out of the jobs available, the Chargers seem to be the only ones who fit that criteria. I mean, there are big questions at QB for all the rest of them.

Now, maybe Quinn is so defensive-minded that he's not concerned about who the QB is, but he should be.

There’s never a sure thing at QB. It’s a crap shoot no matter how high you take them. Look no further than Bryce Young and CJ Stoud. As high as Washington is picking they may have to roll the dice again. They’re not going to win until they find a legit franchise QB.

 

[Blackspider214]

Dann Quinn is overrated period. Especially, by posters on Cowboyszone after a win.

Quinn is a guy that gets all the praise when we win but nothing but excuses when we lose. Typically, just blaming it all on the offense.

Quinn's defenses come playoff time leaves a lot to be desired. They get bullied a lot in the 2nd half.

 

[gimmesix]

There’s never a sure thing at QB. It’s a crap shoot no matter how high you take them. Look no further than Bryce Young and CJ Stoud. As high as Washington is picking they may have to roll the dice again. They’re not going to win until they find a legit franchise QB.

Right. That's why I go to where one has proven he can play.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the hawks are active this off-season to acquire someone else. They have the 16th pick in the draft next year in a fairly deep QB draft. Geno Smith isn’t great but he’s certainly not the worst either.

Remember- if a guy who wants to be a HC again only coaches if he has a great QB, he wont have a ton of opportunities. There aren’t many great QBs in this league which is why the pay scale is so high.

I think Quinn can afford to be picky. He's in a good situation here. Why gamble on what would probably be your last chance to be a head coach? Carroll couldn't make it far with Smith, so I wouldn't go there.

 

[KJJ]

Right. That's why I go to where one has proven he can play.

Herbert has talent but he hasn’t proven he can win. After 4 seasons he has a losing QB record and appears to have regressed. However, the Chargers still have a better QB situation than the other teams looking for a head coach.

 

[Bobhaze]

I think Quinn can afford to be picky. He's in a good situation here. Why gamble on what would probably be your last chance to be a head coach? Carroll couldn't make it far with Smith, so I wouldn't go there.

But none of us are Dan Quinn, lol. Pretty sure he doesn’t think like Cowboys fans.

 

[gimmesix]

Herbert has talent but he hasn’t proven he can win. After 4 seasons he has a losing QB record and appears to have regressed. However, the Chargers still have a better QB situation than the other teams looking for a head coach.

Yeah, he's still got a lot to prove, but I don't consider him any different from other QBs who won when the right team and coach were around them. Could be wrong, but some QBs just end up in bad situations during their careers.

 

[gimmesix]

But none of us are Dan Quinn, lol. Pretty sure he doesn’t think like Cowboys fans.

He probably should be thankful for that.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I think DQ would make a good HC, but not one that is great for the long term. His calling is at DC...that is when he can be at his best. Seattle here he comes.

 

[KingCorcoran]

No assurances in Washington he would be given the final say on who he drafts. Washington has had some of the worst luck drafting QBs. They’ve had two top five QBs go bust since 1994. They’ve had 3 other first round QBs go bust. The last one was Dwayne Haskins. The best QB they’ve drafted the past 30 years was Cousins and they let him walk which was a mistake they’re still paying for with draft picks and losses.

Probably why the new owner of the team is cleaning out the FO and coaching staff. I’m guessing he intends to do things differently than the previous owner did. The last couple of decades of the Washington NFL franchise means nothing now.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

It an offensive league and anybody hiring a defensive coach will fail. Quinn was only successful in Atlanta while shanahan was there to run the offense and Matt Ryan. Once shanahan left Atlanta went down fast.
Shanahans offense still owns Quinn he better figure that out before he goes to Seattle where he will be looking up at shanahan every week

Bill Belichick
Mike Tomlin
Sean McDermott
Demeco Ryans
Jonothan Gannon
John Harbuagh ST / D
Matt Eberflus
Dennis Allen
Robert Saleh
Todd Bowles

All HC’s with defensive backgrounds

Not all on the list are good but there are plenty of bad HC’s from the offensive side as well.

 

[doomsday9084]

Appearances in a SB in the last 25 years:
Dan Quinn 1
All Cowboy coaches combined 0

Yes, DQ would need a good OC like Shanahan. He would also need a QB. No ****. Is there a coach in the league who would succeed at a high level with one of his coordinators being *bad* at his job? Is there a coach out there winning super bowls with bad QB's?

IMO, the one real thing that keeps biting DQ is him going prevent on defense too early. Got him in Atlanta and its starting to get him here.