CFZ Dan Quinn- like Wade Phillips?

[TequilaCowboy]

DQ is better suited as a DC, and not the best option as a HC. Unfortunately, he still has the HC itch and wants to scratch it. He is getting paid good money from Jerry and i'm sure will get another raise pretty soon. If i was him i would remain where i am good at and accept it........seeking a HC job is my ego talking. But we all have free will.

 

[blueblood70]

If Quinn could convince the Joneses of the value of monster DTs and get them to sign 1 or 2 in free agency and always be on the lookout for them in the draft, I think his style of defense would be much better. Imagine Parsons, Lawrence, Williams, Fowler, and Armstrong feasting with DTs who could actually push the pocket back on the QB.

Imagine Fans not understanding the salary cap, roster spots, and how tough it is to hit on a player at any position and they have to fill in 53 roster spots and make many positions stronger. (rhome wasn't built in day come s to mind). Imagine asking a coach to coach a good team vs handing him 11 pro bowlers LMAO..
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some of you are totally clueless to roster building and making statements that hey if you give the coach better players, he looks Better as a coach and cold have more success. captain obvious

coaches cant have that luxury most situations they are asked to coach, teach ,and make average player better with schemes and coaching them up.

 

[Pass2Run]

I’ve thought about how he totally changed himself and his style of D when he came here. He has a philosophy of players he likes which has improved our D ten fold. Having said that I can’t remember that many great players when he was the coach in Atlanta. Jarrett maybe and who else?

Also, when Dan went to the SB he had an all star staff as well. Shanny running the O and Raheem Morris among others.

It seems to me he’s having more fun just being a DC. Love the way he wears his hat backwards in the booth and stands the whole time.

I personally don't think DQ has any interest in becoming a HC again, unless the motivation is money. He's the kind of guy who likes to strike from the shadows, I suspect. That's what I see with Quinn, because that's how I am with my work. I don't need the recognition. I just like seeing the impact of my work.

 

[Havic]

Shanahan is also why they lost the Super Bowl lol. It goes both waya

But he has been back with the 49ers.

 

[phildadon86]

But he has been back with the 49ers.

And yet again. Blew it. Because he refuses to run the ball in crucial moments lol

 

[Havic]

And yet again. Blew it. Because he refuses to run the ball in crucial moments lol

I'll take that over not going at all lol.

 

[phildadon86]

I'll take that over not going at all lol.

Fair lol

 

[CouchCoach]

Doesn’t really matter because he’ll take a HC gig, get some guaranteed money, and if it doesn’t work out, back to a DC gig. That is the NFL’s recycle program.

With the horrendous turnover at the HC position, never a shortage of opportunities and there will be 7-10 this offseason. CAR, DEN, IND are already looking.

DEN is a mess and they will have to give a good candidate a fat guarantee.

 

[GMO415]

Bullet, he did take a team to the SB and blew a gigantic lead at halftime.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Been a lot of talk lately about Dan Quinn possibly being picked off the Cowboys staff to take a HC job again with perhaps Denver or another head coaching position that will be open this off season.

Quinn has obviously done a great job turning the Cowboys defense around. But I have been thinking lately about the comparison between Quinn and another excellent defensive coordinator who was a better DC than HC- Wade Phillips.

Wade Phillips was consistently an excellent defensive mind. As a DC, his defenses were always among the leagues best. As a head coach on the other hand, Phillips was ok- he was 82-64 in regular season as a HC. But he was 1-5 in the playoffs. Phillips won a SB ring as a DC in Denver in 2015. But he never saw that much success as a HC.

Dan Quinn was ok in Atl as a HC. 43-42 in the regular season, and 3-2 in the playoffs. But he had that collapse in the SB vs the pats and his Atl teams never recovered. Like Phillips, Quinn has a SB ring as a DC when he was in Seattle.

So is Dan Quinn a newer version of Wade Phillips? An excellent DC who isn’t as good as a HC? Or is he different?

BH, yes, Dan Quinn is another Wade Phillips. He would be smart to remain in Dallas as our D-Coordinator. That is his strength when he can concentrate on only the Defense. He stinks being in charge of a whole team. He would be making a huge mistake if he were to accept another he's coaching job elsewhere.

 

[xwalker]

Been a lot of talk lately about Dan Quinn possibly being picked off the Cowboys staff to take a HC job again with perhaps Denver or another head coaching position that will be open this off season.

Quinn has obviously done a great job turning the Cowboys defense around. But I have been thinking lately about the comparison between Quinn and another excellent defensive coordinator who was a better DC than HC- Wade Phillips.

Wade Phillips was consistently an excellent defensive mind. As a DC, his defenses were always among the leagues best. As a head coach on the other hand, Phillips was ok- he was 82-64 in regular season as a HC. But he was 1-5 in the playoffs. Phillips won a SB ring as a DC in Denver in 2015. But he never saw that much success as a HC.

Dan Quinn was ok in Atl as a HC. 43-42 in the regular season, and 3-2 in the playoffs. But he had that collapse in the SB vs the pats and his Atl teams never recovered. Like Phillips, Quinn has a SB ring as a DC when he was in Seattle.

So is Dan Quinn a newer version of Wade Phillips? An excellent DC who isn’t as good as a HC? Or is he different?

If I could tell you with 100% certainty, would it matter if the answer is yes or no?

Why would a Cowboys fan care?

A team that might considering hiring Quinn as Head Coach should care but it's irrelevant to Cowboys fans if he is successful or not if hired away as a Head Coach.

The only thing that is relevant is that some other team thinks he will be succesful and hires him as their Head Coach.

 

[CouchCoach]

BH, yes, Dan Quinn is another Wade Phillips. He would be smart to remain in Dallas as our D-Coordinator. That is his strength when he can concentrate on only the Defense. He stinks being in charge of a whole team. He would be making a huge mistake if he were to accept another he's coaching job elsewhere.

How would he be smart taking less money as a DC when at worst case, he gets fired again and gets walk away HC money and gets to go back to DC?

How does he stink when he took his team to the Big Dance?

Huge mistake? AC, I do not get that at all. The window of opportunity will be wide open for him and his stock has risen showing loyalty last season.

And consider how many times having the largest comeback in SB history on his watch has crossed his mind. Think he can just let that go and not try to get back?

 

[Bobhaze]

If I could tell you with 100% certainty, would it matter if the answer is yes or no?

Why would a Cowboys fan care?

A team that might considering hiring Quinn as Head Coach should care but it's irrelevant to Cowboys fans if he is successful or not if hired away as a Head Coach.

The only thing that is relevant is that some other team thinks he will be succesful and hires him as their Head Coach.

Geez X, it’s just a comparative discussion of similarities between two great DCs who have both been marginally successful as HCs. It’s not a criticism of either.

To answer your q, “Why would a Cowboys fan care?” Care about a discussion of two NFL DCs/HCs, one of which is the current Cowboys DC in comparison to a former Cowboys HC? Seems obvious to me. Maybe you could explain further what you meant or didn’t understand. You cared enough to post on this thread. I’m just trying to understand your point here brother.

 

[McKDaddy]

It seems to me he’s having more fun just being a DC

I think everyone has some desire to be "The Man" but sometimes it's better for everyone if you just find your happy place.

 

[America's Cowboy]

How would he be smart taking less money as a DC when at worst case, he gets fired again and gets walk away HC money and gets to go back to DC?

How does he stink when he took his team to the Big Dance?

Huge mistake? AC, I do not get that at all. The window of opportunity will be wide open for him and his stock has risen showing loyalty last season.

And consider how many times having the largest comeback in SB history on his watch has crossed his mind. Think he can just let that go and not try to get back?

The records speak for themselves, CC. If it's all about money, then Dan Quinn should go for it. Good luck! But his record as a head coach is not good. He is better and more productive concentrating on solely being a D-Coordinator.

 

[xwalker]

Geez X, it’s just a comparative discussion of similarities between two great DCs who have both been marginally successful as HCs. It’s not a criticism of either.

To answer your q, “Why would a Cowboys fan care?” Care about a discussion of two NFL DCs/HCs, one of which is the current Cowboys DC in comparison to a former Cowboys HC? Seems obvious to me. Maybe you could explain further what you meant or didn’t understand. You cared enough to post on this thread. I’m just trying to understand your point here brother.

My point is that it only matters what teams that are in the market for a new Head Coach believe.

If the Cowboys were considering hiring Quinn as Head Coach, then I would be very interested in his Head Coaching abilities.

I would rate Quinn higher in regards to potential to succeed as a Head Coach as compared to Wade Phillips.

Wade just didn't have the personality to deal with the media, the owner, player discipline, draft/personnel acquisition issues, etc.

As a D-Coordinator, Wade is one of the best in NFL history.
- Most teams now use concepts that Wade made popular 2 decades ago.
- The "one gap 3-4" was not common until Wade had success with it.
- Defenses in the early nineties were either the Parcells 2-gap 3-4 or the 1-gap 4-3 like Jimmy used in Dallas.
- Many of the early "multi front" defenses had a base very similar to Wade's 1-gap 3-4 but combined it with more traditional fronts based on down/distance, etc..
- Oddly the Ryan brothers defenses looked more like Wade's scheme than their fathers schemes.
- By the time Parcells tried to resurect his 2-gap 3-4 in Dallas, it was outdated.

I think Wade's failures as a Head Coach overshadow his greatness as a D-Coordinator.

One thing that appears to definitely be the same about Wade Phillips and Dan Quinn is that both enjoy the day-to-day of being a D-Coordinator far more than they enjoy being a Head Coach.

I think Wade was driven to take Head Coaching jobs due to his father's legacy and would have taken HC jobs even if the pay was identical to an available DC job.

 

[mattjames2010]

Wade actually won a SB and didn't collapse during it

 

[mattjames2010]

Wade’s defenses had a shelf life, though. He seemed to loose steam after a few seasons.

Tends to happen when all your players have career years and then get snatched away in FA and you're left with scrubs at key positions.

 

[Bobhaze]

My point is that it only matters what teams that are in the market for a new Head Coach believe.

If the Cowboys were considering hiring Quinn as Head Coach, then I would be very interested in his Head Coaching abilities.

I would rate Quinn higher in regards to potential to succeed as a Head Coach as compared to Wade Phillips.

Wade just didn't have the personality to deal with the media, the owner, player discipline, draft/personnel acquisition issues, etc.

As a D-Coordinator, Wade is one of the best in NFL history.
- Most teams now use concepts that Wade made popular 2 decades ago.
- The "one gap 3-4" was not common until Wade had success with it.
- Defenses in the early nineties were either the Parcells 2-gap 3-4 or the 1-gap 4-3 like Jimmy used in Dallas.
- Many of the early "multi front" defenses had a base very similar to Wade's 1-gap 3-4 but combined it with more traditional fronts based on down/distance, etc..
- Oddly the Ryan brothers defenses looked more like Wade's scheme than their fathers schemes.
- By the time Parcells tried to resurect his 2-gap 3-4 in Dallas, it was outdated.

I think Wade's failures as a Head Coach overshadow his greatness as a D-Coordinator.

One thing that appears to definitely be the same about Wade Phillips and Dan Quinn is that both enjoy the day-to-day of being a D-Coordinator far more than they enjoy being a Head Coach.

I think Wade was driven to take Head Coaching jobs due to his father's legacy and would have taken HC jobs even if the pay was identical to an available DC job.

Good stuff X. Agree with you wholeheartedly about both these guys.

Wade Phillips IMO was a great DC whose talent was diminished when he was a head coach. Some coaches are just better in a positional or coordinator role and I think WP is a good example of that. I compared Phillips and Quinn because I wonder if the same is true about Quinn- an excellent coordinator who won’t be as good as a HC. Remains to be seen for Quinn.

 

[Birch_Wood]

I agree, how many times have we witnessed this scenario Head coaches in over their heads, that were successful as coordinators.