Dawn of Justice

[Doomsday]

I thought the movie was pretty good. It was a little slow at first, we really don't need to see Bruce's parents get killed in every reboot.

Didn't care for the bat suit at all though. Made him look more like Robocop or something to me.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I thought the movie was pretty good. It was a little slow at first, we really don't need to see Bruce's parents get killed in every reboot.

Didn't care for the bat suit at all though. Made him look more like Robocop or something to me.

I was in agreement on parents. Until they connected the dots.

 

[Hoofbite]

Didn't think it was all that great. It was okay, but it felt like a really, really, long trailer. Just constant cuts from one big scene to another. Got the feeling they left a lot of the movie out to keep the film within a reasonable runtime. I did like the fact that the movie went away from the whole "one rule" aspect with Batman. Dude was ruthless. I think Affleck did a good job for what little bit of a job there was. None of the characters were really showcased all that much and I feel like they could have done a hell of a lot more with WW. I'd bet anything that she took the biggest hit in terms of onscreen time when they started nibbling the film down to it's final version.

There's 1 scene in the movie that completely failed to deliver. Don't want to spoil it but the only evidence that Batman had any part in what happened was a Bat-a-rang sticking out of a pedestal. Seriously, this was probably one of the key events in the entire film and they didn't even let Batman showcase all his other skills that wouldn't be classified as "brute force"? Total missed opportunity, IMO.

I also thought Lex's ultimate plan was completely ridiculous. I think this plot would have been a better plot for a future film after Luthor had been repeatedly defeated by Superman (and whoever else) and was at the end of his rope. The movie wasn't bad. It had action but it kind of lacked any real development.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The movie was pretty good.

It's not my favorite, not even close, but pretty good.

I don't get all the hate on Man of Steel either. I thought it was very good. To each their own I suppose.

This movie had some good things, some awesome things, and some down right stupid decisions.

I'll say that Affleck was better at Batman than I'd thought he'd be, but no where near as good as Bale. Still he did a solid job. I walked away feeling like he did a great job as Bruce Wayne though. Funny how sometimes actors can be good at one aspect of a character but not as good at the other. Still he was very good.

I did not like the new Alfred at all. I just couldn't get into him. Great actor but I just didn't like him in this.

The highlight of the movie, for me, was Eisenberg as Luthor. He was damn good, IMO. I loved him in the roll and I feel like he was by far the best part of this movie.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Didn't think it was all that great. It was okay, but it felt like a really, really, long trailer. Just constant cuts from one big scene to another. Got the feeling they left a lot of the movie out to keep the film within a reasonable runtime. I did like the fact that the movie went away from the whole "one rule" aspect with Batman. Dude was ruthless. I think Affleck did a good job for what little bit of a job there was. None of the characters were really showcased all that much and I feel like they could have done a hell of a lot more with WW. I'd bet anything that she took the biggest hit in terms of onscreen time when they started nibbling the film down to it's final version.

There's 1 scene in the movie that completely failed to deliver. Don't want to spoil it but the only evidence that Batman had any part in what happened was a Bat-a-rang sticking out of a pedestal. Seriously, this was probably one of the key events in the entire film and they didn't even let Batman showcase all his other skills that wouldn't be classified as "brute force"? Total missed opportunity, IMO.

I also thought Lex's ultimate plan was completely ridiculous. I think this plot would have been a better plot for a future film after Luthor had been repeatedly defeated by Superman (and whoever else) and was at the end of his rope. The movie wasn't bad. It had action but it kind of lacked any real development.

Absolutely hated this. Hated it.

To each their own on that but I hate it anytime anyone (Be it in the comics or movies) deviates from that. It's the core of the Batman character and quite frankly it's stupid to change that and honestly I find it to be lazy on the part of writers who do so. It's too hard for them to write within the context of that rule so they just do away with it.

Hate it.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Absolutely hated this. Hated it.

To each their own on that but I hate it anytime anyone (Be it in the comics or movies) deviates from that. It's the core of the Batman character and quite frankly it's stupid to change that and honestly I find it to be lazy on the part of writers who do so. It's too hard for them to write within the context of that rule so they just do away with it.

Hate it.

Especially when young Bruce experienced 1st hand what violence towards his parents (killing without giving a second thought) did to him. Anyone can kill. That's the easy way. Bruce as Batman should have a higher standard for justice.

Writers want to be edgy and do something original. Original meaning gotta be darker and more violent. Make the audience think. Show some depth to a character than just the obvious.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Especially when young Bruce experienced 1st hand what violence towards his parents (killing without giving a second thought) did to him. Anyone can kill. That's the easy way. Bruce as Batman should have a higher standard for justice.

Writers want to be edgy and do something original. Original meaning gotta be darker and more violent. Make the audience think. Show some depth to a character than just the obvious.

Good post.

Yeah for me one of the biggest reasons I've always loved Batman, and he's my favorite character, is that he has that one line he won't cross and doesn't. He knows how easy it would be for him to kill, and how much easier it would be to deal with the evil in the world if he did, but doesn't ever allow himself to do so.

I've always hated it when anyone decides to just ignore that fact and allow him to kill. It's just flat out lazy on their part, IMO. That rule is basically the core element of the character and what makes Batman who he is.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Alright, just watched it, here are my thoughts.

The good:
- Allfeck is a really good Batman and a great Bruce Wayne. He can absolutely carry the franchise in the future and it sounds like he will do the Batman movies without Snyder, which is a GREAT thing.
- Gal Gadot rocked the Wonder Woman role. I wish they had given her more screen-time as WW.
- Doomsday was not as bad as I had thought going in, it was even necessary to the story that they have him in there. It seemed like overkill in the previews.
- As expected, some of the fight sequences were flat out amazing.

The Bad:
- Eisenberg was just terrible as Lex. Not his personal fault in that they casted him, but they need to bury him away and keep him out of future movies.
- A select few CGI sequences were baaaaaad. Considering the budget, I found myself extremely annoyed about a few parts.
- It seemed like they knew where they wanted to go with Justice League and just fit in the pieces in this movie to get them there. The movie really suffered because of that. Reminds me of Age of Ultron which was equally underwhelming.
- The very small Aquaman drop was amateur hour poor, like they stuffed it in at the last second under pressure and no time to write up a good scene.

All in all, it was a good watch in IMAX. I will most likely not watch it again unless I get a copy of the Director's cut because I can't say there was anything that I would want to rewatch. I do think it set up well for the Justice League and possibly another great storyline in the future (I'm not gonna spoil that one), but I hated that they had to waste what could have been their greatest movie just to get there. There is still some possible good things ahead in this series if Snyder bows out.

 

[Hoofbite]

Absolutely hated this. Hated it.

To each their own on that but I hate it anytime anyone (Be it in the comics or movies) deviates from that. It's the core of the Batman character and quite frankly it's stupid to change that and honestly I find it to be lazy on the part of writers who do so. It's too hard for them to write within the context of that rule so they just do away with it.

Hate it.

Not so sure its a matter of laziness. Just dream up a new gadget and most problems solve themselves. Of course, I certainly think there's a limit to the ever increasing number of fantastical ways that Batman could dispose of criminals before the audience is asked to overlook the fact that the guy is supposed to be human. At some point, how do you even present a formidable opponent when Batman has all the answers in his utility belt? Also, it's not like they have tiptoed around the rule. Gonna save Ra's al Ghul from sliding off the cliffside.......then we'll deliberately let him plummet to his death in a train car.

 

[DallasEast]

Box Office: 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' Shatters Records with $170.1 Million Debut

March 27, 2016
Brent Lang, Variety

"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" steamrolled past records, debuting to a gargantuan $170.1 million over Easter weekend despite being pilloried by critics.

That ranks as the top opening weekend for a DC Comics film, the best March launch ever, and the sixth biggest domestic opening weekend of all-time.

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It also undercuts the influence of top critics. Reviews for "Batman v Superman" were withering--the New York Times A.O. Scott said seeing the film is "...about as diverting as having a porcelain sink broken over your head"--but audiences didn't care. They were kinder to the picture too, giving the film a B CinemaScore grade.

"It's the fans that speak the loudest," said Jeff Bock, a box office analyst for Exhibitor Relations. "It proves how strong these characters are."

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How the majority of the audience felt about Zach Snyder's other work in this franchise...

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Maybe, one day, Snyder will address paid critics and some moviegoers and say, "Stick it." Who could blame him?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...1701-million-debut/ar-BBqZACW?ocid=spartanntp

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice?ref=hp
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_man_of_steel/?search=MAN OF STEEL
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/?ref_=nv_sr_1

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Maybe, one day, Snyder will address paid critics and some moviegoers and say, "Stick it." Who could blame him?

Man Of Steel earned $116.6 million on its opening weekend. But as we saw, didn't last.

 

[DallasEast]

Man Of Steel earned $116.6 million on its opening weekend. But as we saw, didn't last.

Lasted long enough to make $668M+ worldwide over its run.

 

[DallasEast]

'Batman v Superman' Dominates the Box Office, Opening Over $420 Million Worldwide

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4171&p=s.htm

 

[DallasEast]

"Twenty years in Gotham. How many good guys are left? How many stay that way?" - Ben Affleck, Bruce Wayne, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Good reference about the evolution of Batman according to comic book legend Frank Miller: http://www.dccomics.com/talent/frank-miller

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Lasted long enough to make $668M+ worldwide over its run.

On a $225 mil budget, only $448 profit. Only $291 in North America. For the most iconic Superhero, and the eagerness people had after watching the early trailers with the hype, that is underwhelming.

 

[DallasEast]

On a $225 mil budget, only $448 profit. For the most iconic Superhero, and the eagerness people had after watching the early trailers with the hype, that is underwhelming.

Underwhelming? True. $448 million profit? True. I thought the movie could have been done better but I do not proclaim it as an average or poor movie. Not saying you mean that. I'm just saying Man of Steel wasn't the blockbuster it could have been but it did well enough.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Underwhelming? True. $448 million profit? True. I thought the movie could have been done better but I do not proclaim it as an average or poor movie. Not saying you mean that. I'm just saying Man of Steel wasn't the blockbuster it could have been but it did well enough.

Nah. For a reboot of the most iconic Superhero and again the hype and positive press it had before the release, it wasn't good enough. My opinion.

 

[DallasEast]

Nah. For a reboot of the most iconic Superhero and again the hype and positive press it had before the release, it wasn't good enough. My opinion.

I respect that. I also respect the majority opinion of moviegoers who saw the film.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I respect that. I also respect the majority opinion of moviegoers who saw the film.

I just wish another director would do the next Justice League film, I know you like Snyder, but myself prefer someone else who can give character depth more onscreen time.

 

[DallasEast]

I just wish another director would do the next Justice League film, I know you like Snyder, but myself prefer someone else who can give character depth more onscreen time.

I would love to read the quote where I said I like Snyder! I do remember stating this almost two years ago:

You're not alone. I feel that it's a mistake to include the DC Triumvirate, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, in a film together without first introducing the Amazon Princess in her own film. The continuity just feels slightly grimy to me.

However, if you're going to do the Triumvirate, why would you introduce any other heroes like Cyborg? I'm not certain if Zach Snyder is up to directing a storyline that seemingly will be all-encompassing. I would have more faith in Christopher Nolan directing, but the whole project seems like its bursting at the seams of believability before the first trailer has revealed anything to the public. And as far as Ray Fisher is concerned, my first thought was who? Hope he has the chops for the role. Victor Stone should be a character with a lot of depth.

I agree with you about another director other than Snyder. I have my issues with Snyder's work but I do think his stuff is being overly criticized. That opinion is based upon some paid critics' observations of MOS and Dawn. Other moviegoers' opinion I can relate to but getting paid to criticize? Well, I only place a few of them in the stratosphere of a Gene Siskel or Roger Ebert.

And for personal reference sake, before X-Men: Apocalypse debuts, I think someone else could/could have directed the X-Men movies, both past and present, better than Bryan Singer.