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The transformers movies made a lot of money too.

Every crap horror movie that comes out tends to make decent money (Compared to it's budget).

Doesn't make them good movies.

I will wait to comment further as I have not seen the movie yet. But Man of Steel was a hot mess.
 

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The transformers movies made a lot of money too.

Every crap horror movie that comes out tends to make decent money (Compared to it's budget).

Doesn't make them good movies.

I will wait to comment further as I have not seen the movie yet. But Man of Steel was a hot mess.
Yours is an opinion I'm really interested in reading and here's why. In my opinion, DOJ is not as good as MOS. So I have been somewhat shocked to read some moviegoers (not paid critics mind you) who previously described MOS as average, fair, or "the worst movie ever"--turn around and say DOJ was a good movie, very good movie, etc. It really demonstrates to me how enormously varied opinion can be about something commonly observed.
 

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Saw it today on IMAX, I had a great time and don't really see what everyone is complaining about.

Was it perfect? No. But I wasn't expecting perfection.

One thing that's always been interesting for me with DC, is that DC tends to take itself pretty seriously. Whether that's Batman, Constantine, etc. Where Marvel seems to be having a grand old time having the Hulk punch Thor out of the screen, Batman V Superman seemed super serious.

I wonder if that's a conscious decision they've made.

Personally, I'm glad they killed Supes off for the time being. He's so overpowered that it's nearly impossible face any realistic conflict when he's around, unless you want to bring Kryptonite (or magic, I guess) into every damn story line.
 

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Saw it today on IMAX, I had a great time and don't really see what everyone is complaining about.

Was it perfect? No. But I wasn't expecting perfection.

One thing that's always been interesting for me with DC, is that DC tends to take itself pretty seriously. Whether that's Batman, Constantine, etc. Where Marvel seems to be having a grand old time having the Hulk punch Thor out of the screen, Batman V Superman seemed super serious.

I wonder if that's a conscious decision they've made.

Personally, I'm glad they killed Supes off for the time being. He's so overpowered that it's nearly impossible face any realistic conflict when he's around, unless you want to bring Kryptonite (or magic, I guess) into every damn story line.
The spoilers are coming out hot and heavy. :)

I think it's a conscious decision making the DC heroes feel the enormous gravity of their responsibilities for humanity. It's a way of distinguishing themselves from the Marvel representations. The stoically somber aspect didn't begin in DOJ. Christopher Nolan imprinted it with his reboot of Batman.
 

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Dang it! I forgot to post what I saw during the movie... after watching the movie TWICE! :mad: It took tonight's episode of The Walking Dead to kickstart my brain again.

Question: Did anyone recognize Thomas and Martha Wayne in the movie? :D
 

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The spoilers are coming out hot and heavy. :)

I think it's a conscious decision making the DC heroes feel the enormous gravity of their responsibilities for humanity. It's a way of distinguishing themselves from the Marvel representations. The stoically somber aspect didn't begin in DOJ. Christopher Nolan imprinted it with his reboot of Batman.

Yikes, my bad on the spoiler. Wish I could add a spoiler tag, I just know I was avoiding this thread until I saw it, expecting there to be spoilers.
 

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I would say 6/10 only because of the action and even sone of the action scenes appeared obviously staged with villians running toward the hero so he could hit them

Overall pretty ho hum
The whole premise allows for only one possible scenario, there is no real choice so no real surprises
 

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Seems like sometimes people over analyze why a movie was good or bad on here. I don't really care if the critics didn't like it, because usually they are idiots.

I personally really enjoyed this movie and Man of Steel. The fight vs Doomsday was pretty good and knowing how that fight played out beforehand really didn't affect my thoughts on it. Affleck was very good as Batman which was my biggest question before the movie.

I've seen some plot complaints/character development complaints, but I thought the main characters in the film were done pretty well. Trying to hit on everyone would have made for an extremely long movie with a lot for a typical moviegoer to take in. With that said, I didn't like the Alfred character at all.

Love the darker tone of this new iteration of DC movies. It matches what the newer animated films have been doing and I loved those as well. The nobody dies, lock em all up stuff is played out. I like to see the full scope of these guys powers and the complex affects their life and death decisions have on the characters, those around the characters and yes even the bad guys.

Overall, I really liked this movie. Would probably give it a 7.5/8.
 

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Seems like sometimes people over analyze why a movie was good or bad on here. I don't really care if the critics didn't like it, because usually they are idiots.

I personally really enjoyed this movie and Man of Steel. The fight vs Doomsday was pretty good and knowing how that fight played out beforehand really didn't affect my thoughts on it. Affleck was very good as Batman which was my biggest question before the movie.

I've seen some plot complaints/character development complaints, but I thought the main characters in the film were done pretty well. Trying to hit on everyone would have made for an extremely long movie with a lot for a typical moviegoer to take in. With that said, I didn't like the Alfred character at all.

Love the darker tone of this new iteration of DC movies. It matches what the newer animated films have been doing and I loved those as well. The nobody dies, lock em all up stuff is played out. I like to see the full scope of these guys powers and the complex affects their life and death decisions have on the characters, those around the characters and yes even the bad guys.

Overall, I really liked this movie. Would probably give it a 7.5/8.

Eventually the somebody dies and not lock em all up stuff will be played out too I guess.
Next step, everyone dies. After that plays out, don't know what will be next.
 

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Eventually the somebody dies and not lock em all up stuff will be played out too I guess.
Next step, everyone dies. After that plays out, don't know what will be next.

I'll worry about that if or when the time comes.
 

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When it's not original or refreshing, time will come.

Fine by me. I loved Deadpool and he killed everyone in sight. :)

It will probably be a while before it happens though. Comics and superhero movies/shows were basically unchanged for 50+ years. I find it refreshing to see something different. Maybe everyone doesn't, but to each their own.
 

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Fine by me. I loved Deadpool and he killed everyone in sight. :)

It will probably be a while before it happens though. Comics and superhero movies/shows were basically unchanged for 50+ years. I find it refreshing to see something different. Maybe everyone doesn't, but to each their own.

Deadpool doesn't have a moral code like Superman/Batman. Anyone can kill, that's the easy way out.
 

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Ok, I have to revise my stance on Batman and him killing people. Saw the movie, the scene where he fights the bad guys (who have Martha Kent), they are shooting at him every which way. He fights them and knocks them down, but no one knows if they are dead. He was just defending himself from their attack, because Martha was captured. (the reviews I watched on this didn't mention Martha) He isn't any more violent than Bale's Batman.The Batman vs Sups scene, don't know why he didn't listen to what Sups had to say before their fight. As for this version of Batman, it was ok. Nothing that made me go wow.
 

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Love the darker tone of this new iteration of DC movies. It matches what the newer animated films have been doing and I loved those as well. The nobody dies, lock em all up stuff is played out. I like to see the full scope of these guys powers and the complex affects their life and death decisions have on the characters, those around the characters and yes even the bad guys.
I wouldn't necessarily define current superhero movies as a byproduct of previous filmmaking being played out. It's simply caught up to the realism Hollywood adopted as far back as the 1960's. Once upon a time (and still alive on Turner Classic Movies :) ), westerns, for example, included gunfire, where heroes and villains got shot, with very little trauma conveyed to the audience, and sometimes even less visible bloodshed. Actual shootings aren't so pristine. Eventually filmmakers wanted to reflect actual cause-and-effect and revolutionary westerns (around 1970 or so) like The Wild Bunch were born.

Personally, I blame the Comics Code Authority for indirectly slowing the growth of realism in comic book movie adaptations. The CCA neutered comic book writers' creativity to protect moral integrity at the cost of realistic subjectivity. Decades of comic book stories were shackled, showing what would happen in clashes between "good and evil." It was all so superficial. Collateral damage was practically nonexistent. It was pure fantasy.

Well, creators began slowly bucking the established system, rebuking the creative restraints, and interlaced more logic into their works of fiction. Fictional superheroes, like heroes in real life, do not want innocents to be harmed. But real heroes cannot prevent every consequence of evil acts. They're not omnipotent. Why should superheroes be regarded differently? It's not very realistic to think so.

The creators and studios of today's superhero movies of the past decade or so finally embraced what comic book publishers took control of 30 years ago. They stopped treating their stories like classic Disney films, where the hero/prince vanquishes the evil queen and everyone lives happily ever after. Instead, they look back on humanity's past, see the events unfolding in humanity's present, accept the consequences of what happens when conflict between good and evil occurs, insert superheroes into their fictional scenarios, and weigh what those superheroes can and cannot do. I'm glad Hollywood caught up in this aspect.
 

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Seems like sometimes people over analyze why a movie was good or bad on here. I don't really care if the critics didn't like it, because usually they are idiots.

I personally really enjoyed this movie and Man of Steel. The fight vs Doomsday was pretty good and knowing how that fight played out beforehand really didn't affect my thoughts on it. Affleck was very good as Batman which was my biggest question before the movie.

I've seen some plot complaints/character development complaints, but I thought the main characters in the film were done pretty well. Trying to hit on everyone would have made for an extremely long movie with a lot for a typical moviegoer to take in. With that said, I didn't like the Alfred character at all.

Love the darker tone of this new iteration of DC movies. It matches what the newer animated films have been doing and I loved those as well. The nobody dies, lock em all up stuff is played out. I like to see the full scope of these guys powers and the complex affects their life and death decisions have on the characters, those around the characters and yes even the bad guys.

Overall, I really liked this movie. Would probably give it a 7.5/8.

For the first sentence, I agree that some people tend to go out on a limb to be overcritical, but I can't class myself in that category. I tend to go into movies trying to enjoy them for what they are and this one left me with the exact same feeling I had when I left Age of Ultron. It should have been much better.

I loved seeing Batman and Superman battle it out on the big screen, but there was just so much that was underwhelming about the story. Plus, Snyder's penchant for turning everything into 300 is getting really stale. He's becoming emo-Michael Bay and I feel his one angle is completely underselling the material he has to work with. The source material that was used for the movie was some of the best stuff ever written for these character's and what Snyder delivered was just decent enough to bring in people and sell lots of toys. That is a pretty sad legacy for DC and these iconic characters if that is what they have decided they want to do.

I'm honestly not thrilled about emo-Super Friends. This would be in much better hands if they moved on from Snyder (or if Snyder knew that he could turn on the lights when he shot a scene).
 

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Well, my son and I just got back from the movie. I have to say it wasn't too bad. It was much better than Man of Steel. There are a few things that could be better but it was pretty solid overall and there was a plot. I am not sure why the critics hate it so much. Maybe they still have the bad taste in their mouth from Man of Steel. Perhaps the fact that they did rate it so low tempered my expectations to the point I expected a bad movie and ended up liking it because it was much better than expected. Personally, I would give this a 7 / 10 and would not argue with anyone who wanted to give it an 8 / 10.

Yup...Same boat

Was expecting a major bomb...and got just the opposite. I was surprised after hearing all the negative feedback....it was actually pretty good. Not perfect...but a hell of alot better than the MOS.:rolleyes:
 
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