Day After Thoughts

[dbair1967]

Replace Colombo with Davis?

Really son? Really? If there is one player on the team who has worse lateral movement then Colombo, it might be Davis.

Pretty sure it says "replace Colombo and Davis"

 

[theogt]

Again, if Arizona doesnt kick the FG after we score the Austin TD, we win. Period, end of story.

Again, if we don't throw one of the two pick sixes in the first minutes of the game, we win. Period, end of story.

 

[dbair1967]

It did sound like preemptive defense.

Did to me too.

 

[LatinMind]

Pretty sure it says "replace Colombo and Davis"

yeah i edited. lol

 

[dbair1967]

Again, if we don't throw one of the two pick sixes in the first minutes of the game, we win. Period, end of story.

You dont know that for sure though, other parts of the game might have played out differently had they not gotten out to the lead. Maybe they would have called their offensive plays differently. Maybe they would have chosen some different defensive strategy.

The game winning FG happened with 5 seconds left. Other than running the ensuing kickoff back for a TD, or having th ball go out of bounds and subsequently hitting a 62 yd FG to win, we had no chance to overcome their score.

 

[theogt]

You dont know that for sure though, other parts of the game might have played out differently had they not gotten out to the lead. Maybe they would have called their offensive plays differently. Maybe they would have chosen some different defensive strategy.

The game winning FG happened with 5 seconds left. Other than running the ensuing kickoff back for a TD, or having th ball go out of bounds and subsequently hitting a 62 yd FG to win, we had no chance to overcome their score.

So, at what point can we blame the offense? What if they'd give up 21 points instead of 14? Is that enough to blame the offense? 28 points?

Forget it. This is an absolutely ******** conversation that I can't believe I'm participating in.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hmm, on Fox they asked everyone if Jerry will bring Jason back, and Jimmy said, "I would, because he's a friend. But I don't think Jerry will." Interesting.

And Bradshaw said he thought Jerry would go outside and get someone, too. He probably knows less than Jimmy, but he probably knows people around the league who know Jerry, and he does live in the DFW area. (Or did until recently.)

Glazer also just said he'd always heard that Garrett had to win five games to come back, so it would depend on next week's Eagles game.

I still suspect Jerry wants to keep his long term project intact.

 

[casmith07]

So, at what point can we blame the offense? What if they'd give up 21 points instead of 14? Is that enough to blame the offense? 28 points?

Forget it. This is an absolutely ******** conversation that I can't believe I'm participating in.

You're right its a dumb conversation. If a pitcher gives up back to back home runs in the top of the 1st, his team comes back, and then loses on an error in the outfield in the 9th, how can you blame the loss on anything but the error?

You're trying to assign blame for the overall final outcome of a contest based on one play that occurred in the onset of the game, regardless of the remaining plays in the following 3 quarters of play. By your logic, if we didn't allow that other FG we would've won. Or if we didn't allow the long TD pass we would've won.

Or if they didn't convert that one 3rd down, then the field goal never would've happened, and we would've had a 3 and out, and thus would've won.

The only play that matters is the end of the game. We were winning, and we lost on the FG. Point blank. I agree with you on many things, but I think you're flat out wrong on this one.

 

[BIGDen]

Not that it matters much, but the defense gave up 13 points and 271 yards. Hard to pin this loss on the defense.

It was basically a redeux of our losses under Wade -- a few freakish/unlucky plays that went against us ended up making the difference between us winning by a decent margin to losing by a hair.

That pretty much sums it up. People want to attack this person or that coach, but I think you summed it up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow. So keeping with the baseball analogy, if a pitcher goes the distance and gives up a run in the ninth to lose the game 1-0, that's the pitcher's fault and not the offense's for failing to do a thing?

I've never understood this. Like theo said, the entire 60 minutes count, not just the last minutes. But we have people who would blame the defense if we lost 3-0.

 

[casmith07]

Wow. So keeping with the baseball analogy, if a pitcher goes the distance and gives up a run in the ninth to lose the game 1-0, that's the pitcher's fault and not the offense's for failing to do a thing?

I've never understood this. Like theo said, the entire 60 minutes count, not just the last minutes. But we have people who would blame the defense if we lost 3-0.

And the last minutes of the entire 60 minutes count too. The defense played well for 58 minutes and 16 seconds. Then they blew it for the last 1:41.

Good teams go hard for all 60, not enough throughout the 60 to let their foot off the gas at the end.

 

[dbair1967]

Wow. So keeping with the baseball analogy, if a pitcher goes the distance and gives up a run in the ninth to lose the game 1-0, that's the pitcher's fault and not the offense's for failing to do a thing?

I've never understood this. Like theo said, the entire 60 minutes count, not just the last minutes. But we have people who would blame the defense if we lost 3-0.

Did we, or did we not have the lead on the Cards LAST possession of the game? Did the defense FAIL to hold the other team on that drive?

I get the argument he's making. The defense if you look at the TOTAL game played ok, but with the game on the line and needing to hold the team without a FG, they couldnt do it. Hell they even had them down to a 4th and 15, and THEN let them convert on a pass play to a guy WIDE OPEN 25 yds downfield, with EIGHT guys in coverage. It wasnt like one guy fell down in man coverage and left the WR all alone. It wasnt like the QB scrambled around for 10 seconds and then threw a miracle heave that bounced off two or three players. It wasnt like the WR made a leaping or diving one handed grab. THE GUY WAS WIDE OPEN.

THATS BAD DEFENSE, and thats why we lost the game.

 

[theogt]

3-0 lead and in the last seconds the defense gives up 7 points.

Therefore, the defense lost the game.

Do people truly not realize how stupid that sounds? We might as well make games sudden death or college style overtime rules, since the previous 90% of the game is meaningless.

 

[dbair1967]

3-0 lead and in the last seconds the defense gives up 7 points.

Therefore, the defense lost the game.

Do people truly not realize how stupid that sounds? We might as well make games sudden death or college style overtime rules, since the previous 90% of the game is meaningless.

And sometimes its about playing good defense when it matters the most.

If the defense gives up the winning score, especially without other circumstances involved (ex, bad call on penalty, turnover by their own offense deep in their territory, long return on special teams) then yeah, its their fault if it happens at the end of the game and the result of the game is determined by it.

We had the lead. They would have won the game if Arizona wouldnt have drove nearly the length of the field and kicked a game winning FG, with 5 seconds left. The offense had no chance to overcome it.

 

[diehard2294]

3-0 lead and in the last seconds the defense gives up 7 points.

Therefore, the defense lost the game.

Do people truly not realize how stupid that sounds? We might as well make games sudden death or college style overtime rules, since the previous 90% of the game is meaningless.

let it go... your going to drive yourself nuts making sense

 

[Teague31]

I'm amazed we can move the ball at all with Colombo in there. Only one more game before that loser is history.

 

[JohnsKey19]

6) Miles Austin needs to start working on catch drills as soon as the season ends. I dont expect him to catch them all, but he's dropped way too many pases this year, especially for a guy expected to be the #1 WR and getting paid as a franchise WR. That said, even in what some consider a down year compared to last yr, he'll probably end up going over 70 catches and over 1000 yds (now at 67/979), he also has 7 tds. I still believe with him and Bryant, its the ultimate nightmare for defensive coordinators around the league for years to come.

He's a lot like a young TO in the way he fights the ball as it's coming to him. Not really a natural receiver of the ball like Dez. He'll contiue to work at it, I'm sure, but i think he'll always be a WR who will have a case of the dropsies. Still a decent year finishing with 70+ catches 1000+ yds and 7+ TDs considering the QB injuries and everything.

11) Replace Colombo and Davis, replace both starting safeties, get Lee in for Brooking and figure out what do do about the OLB spot opp Ware, and this team can be really good in 2011. Really good.

I think RT and S will be the priority in free agency. They still have Holand at OG, who has proven to be serviceable, if they decide to release Davis. I think we'll also draft a OG early in the draft - 2nd-3rd round. I think we'll sign a starter at S and then another guy to provide some insurance.


As for the coaching situation....I think Jerry wil play the field, which doesn't mean he wont hire Garrett as HC. Jerry is probably working the back channels right now. And when it's time, he'll formally interview a few guys, probably a big ame or two alng with Garrett. Then he'll make his choice. I dont have the feeling Jerry knows at this point what he really wants to do.

 

[Patton]

Holland cannot be looked at as an alternative to Davis. He can't stay healthy in a backup role. You expect him to be a reliable starter?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I see what you guys are arguing, but to me you have to use some common sense about it. If a team loses 3-0, barring some kind of horrible weather or field conditions, it's going to be the offense's fault -- just like it's the defense's fault if you lose 50-49.

Now some would say that if you win a game 50-49 and the D makes a stop at the end, the D should get credit because they "stepped up when they had to" or whatever. I have a hard time agreeing with that one.

This game is a little different because the O actually gave up more points than the D did. It was a little like the first Skins game with the non-kneeldown. Hard to blame the D when their own O allowed more points than they did.

 

[diehard2294]

key plays in game that cost us

2 picks for TD
Cards long TD pass
Buehler missed PAT
Cards convert 4th and 15

true.. football is 60 minutes long but to think the steps leading up to that point are not important to the outcome is ridiculous...