'Deadly Conduct' warrrant issued for Deon Anderson

[Vtwin]

There are really only 2 things that disturb me about this story. A chambered round and gun found by police in the bushes. I hate that he had one in the car in the first place, but I can chalk that up to lack of knowledge about specific laws in Texas.

A chambered round to me is bad news and an imminent threat. It takes mere seconds to grab that weapon and fire. Life over.

Discarding it in the bushes to me sends a message that he knew he was in the wrong and was desperate to cover up his act.

Utter freaking stupidity. Forget all the semantics over valets and cops and credibility. Get down to brass tacks. Whose gun is it? If it belongs to Deon Anderson, is concealed in a car, has a chambered round, and was retrieved from the bushes then he is probably in trouble. It does not matter to me whether he was ever angry at the valet or had the weapon in his hand while confronting the valet.

If the police had found the gun in the car, untouched by him at any time in this confrontation, but with a chambered round...he is dead wrong and irresponsible. It is really just that simple. The rest of the story make it all so much worse.

Oh, and yeah his anti-cop diatribe is horribly offensive to me too. I have several law enforcement officers in my family in Texas. I consider the local law enforcement officers to be friends and I will never understand anti-cop feelings by anyone.

Is this against the law in Texas?

 

[Hoofbite]

Right, all police are saints in armor:laugh2: And, by the way, I worked in the judicial system for several years. Crappy people are everywhere. My point, of course, is that too many people have already thrown cricket under the bus. What part of allegedly did everyone miss? We don't know the whole story. For all we know, Hos, the gun could have been thrown into the bush by the Valet.

Jeez, kind of seems like I already said as much.

All the people who complain about cops are always getting into trouble so it is no surprise they don't like them. Sure, there are bad cops but that's because there are bad people in general. But guess what, there are bad [insert profession here]. You think everyone who ever cooked you a hamburger at McDs is some great humanitarian? Doubtful. If you believe it then please continue to think so as you choke down another Big Mac with real "special sauce" of some sort.

 

[el_chevo]

I stand corrected and quickly apologize. You (and I) seem to understand that there are crappy people everywhere. In this case, I don't see how the police are at fault. At fault are those who fail to understand the process and the fact that - YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeez, kind of seems like I already said as much.

 

[Vtwin]

All three of these scenarios are a violation of handgun laws in their own right.

Do you know this for a fact? Not trying to imply that you don't but nothing about this AS PRESENTED would have been against any laws in my state.

 

[Hoofbite]

I stand corrected and quickly apologize. You (and I) seem to understand that there are crappy people everywhere. In this case, I don't see how the police are at fault. At fault are those who fail to understand the process and the fact that - YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In a court of law.

On a message board and in the eye of the public, no way no how.

Cricket will get his fair shake no doubt about it but that doesn't mean that people can't take the information presented and arrive at their own conclusion. In this case, I'd be hard pressed to think that Cricket gets off clean as a whistle. Being "guilty" isn't what it is all about any more. The NFL has a desire to have its players be presented in a positive light.

Deon knows this. One of his first quotes was about talking to Jerry because he wasn't trying to get booted.

 

[Hostile]

Well, let's first establish whether he has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. If he doesn't, then even an unloaded weapon in the car can bring charges unless you can show you either just purchased the weapon or are going to a range to learn to use it. Unlikely at 2 in the morning. If he doesn't have this license he is afoul of the law.

Texas concealed carry law allows for the concealed carry of a handgun on ones’ person and in ones’ vehicle by properly licensed individuals, but it MUST be concealed. Concealment includes being carried in a glove compartment, under a seat, or inside of a case, bag or box and placed on a seat or on the floor of the vehicle. Failure to do so will see the holder of the Texas concealed handgun license in breach of the law governing issuing of the license and is a serious offense.

I doubt there is a stiffer penalty for one in the chamber but if you are already in trouble it just makes the trouble worse. An attorney is going to be all over that as more threatening considering the gravity of the situation.

In other words the gun still has to be safe to Law Enforcement and other innocent citizens. Right to carry still means you have to be responsible. They make you pass gun safety for that weapon. That is part of the right to have a concealed weapon.

Unless properly licensed then having a handgun “on or about ones’ person” is strictly prohibited under Statutory Law. However, Texas law does make an exemption for individuals traveling across Texas who are carrying loaded weapons for self protection, but only when it is considered a legitimate journey or they are participating in lawful firearm activities such as target shooting or hunting. Any doubt by law officers as to the legitimacy of a persons’ purpose in carrying a weapon will probably see the “offender” enjoy and unscheduled overnight visit to the nearest jail. If you are not able to prove the legitimacy of your need to carry a loaded weapon you have no gun license for, then you must travel with it in the trunk of your vehicle and unloaded.

 

[Vtwin]

There are really only 2 things that disturb me about this story. A chambered round and gun found by police in the bushes. I hate that he had one in the car in the first place, but I can chalk that up to lack of knowledge about specific laws in Texas.

A chambered round to me is bad news and an imminent threat. It takes mere seconds to grab that weapon and fire. Life over.

Discarding it in the bushes to me sends a message that he knew he was in the wrong and was desperate to cover up his act.

Utter freaking stupidity. Forget all the semantics over valets and cops and credibility. Get down to brass tacks. Whose gun is it? If it belongs to Deon Anderson, is concealed in a car, has a chambered round, and was retrieved from the bushes then he is probably in trouble. It does not matter to me whether he was ever angry at the valet or had the weapon in his hand while confronting the valet.

If the police had found the gun in the car, untouched by him at any time in this confrontation, but with a chambered round...he is dead wrong and irresponsible. It is really just that simple. The rest of the story make it all so much worse.

Oh, and yeah his anti-cop diatribe is horribly offensive to me too. I have several law enforcement officers in my family in Texas. I consider the local law enforcement officers to be friends and I will never understand anti-cop feelings by anyone.

I found this.

Gov. Perry also signed H.B. 1815, a bill that allows any Texas resident to carry a concealed handgun in the resident's motor vehicle without a CHL or other permit.[211] Chapter 46, Section 2 of the Penal Code states that it is in fact not "Unlawful Carry of a Weapon" for a person to carry a weapon while in a motor vehicle they own or control, or to carry while heading directly from the person's home to that car. However, lawful carry while in a vehicle requires these three critical qualifiers: (1) the gun must be concealed; (2) the carrier cannot be involved in criminal activities; and (3) the carrier cannot be a member of a criminal gang.[212][213]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Texas

Having the gun concealed in his car apparently in not against the law. I found no reference to laws agains having one in the chamber.

Once he took it out of the car in a public place he needed a CHL and it needed to be concealed according to Texas law.


Edited to add: Didn't see your post before I posted this.. Conflicting info here. Wonder which is accurate.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Do you know this for a fact? Not trying to imply that you don't but nothing about this AS PRESENTED would have been against any laws in my state.

It's not illegal to have the weapon in the car. But as soon as you take that weapon OUT of the vehicle in the parking lot of an establishment that serves alcohol, with or without a concealed carry permit, see ya downtown Chuck!

 

[jobberone]

I'm in law enforcement and I understand
why certain folks have resentment towards police officers. There are many who may not be "dirty" but who push the envelope. I've even been pulled over multiple times by such police officers and was put off by the "Im the law" attitude. The faces they make when they find out I'm in law enforcement is priceless.

That being said there is nothing being reported about possible funny business. I find any such insinuation on this site offensive and insulting to not only me but to the officers involved.

 

[jobberone]

It wouldn't be illegal to take the gun out of the car for the purposes of securing it. Even in the parking lot. You may not enter a building where alcohol is served even with a permit in my state. I'll bet its the same in TX.

The problem comes from pulling the gun in an altercation with no clear danger to self or others. That is illegal and in this instance since it wasn't used to threaten then it's not a felony. Had he pointed it at him then it escalates to something akin to reckless endangerment. Don't know what it would be in TX. Even putting the gun in your pants where it is visible is an act of intimidation.

Don't take a gun out unless you're threatened. That's the law. If you're threatened (legitimately and physically) then you can fire and use deadly force.

 

[BubbleScreen]

The timeline of the story:

Deon, unarmed, has a verbal confrontation with the valet about his car.
Deon then gets his gun from his car and shows it (without pointing), then says something like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas, 'funny how? like a clown?'
Valet soils his shorts, calls 911.
Deon's gun ends up in the bushes, along with another gun, source and owner unknown.

Wake up, people. This is not lawful use of a firearm. The Cowboys would almost be forced to distance themselves from Deon if the above are the true facts.

 

[Rampage]

I'm not gonna read all 16 pages of this thread so does he atleast have licenses for his guns?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I found this.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Texas

Having the gun concealed in his car apparently in not against the law. I found no reference to laws agains having one in the chamber.

Once he took it out of the car in a public place he needed a CHL and it needed to be concealed according to Texas law.



Edited to add: Didn't see your post before I posted this.. Conflicting info here. Wonder which is accurate.

It can all be true.

 

[Brian_C82]

Once again, you do not need any kind of license to keep a gun in your car. In Texas, the Castle Doctrine applies equally to your home and car. Anderson's crime was to brandish it in a threatening manner.

In most cases, you don't even need a license for concealed carry. The burden of proof is on law enforcement to prove that you weren't "traveling" at the time.

More info:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-10-25/news/have-gun-will-travel/

 

[Doomsay]

seems like a stupid response to a minor situation.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

seems like a stupid response to a minor situation.

Agreed.

 

[links18]

In my state, any assault with a firearm is aggravated felony assault. Assault is defined as any activity designed to put another person in imminent fear of bodily harm, when the offender has the immediate capacity to cause bodily harm, regardless of whether or not actual harm is caused or intended. If Deon took out his gat and brandished it at the valet (regardless of whether or not he pointed it at him), there is at least probable cause to charge felony assault where I live. He would be facing 25 long in the pen.

 

[el_chevo]

Thank God for Texas...

In my state, any assault with a firearm is aggravated felony assault. Assault is defined as any activity designed to put another person in imminent fear of bodily harm, when the offender has the immediate capacity to cause bodily harm, regardless of whether or not actual harm is caused or intended. If Deon took out his gat and brandished it at the valet (regardless of whether or not he pointed it at him), there is at least probable cause to charge felony assault where I live. He would be facing 25 long in the pen.

 

[Vtwin]

It can all be true.

I was referring to the conflicitng information between my post and Hos' post directly above mine. His information requires a permit to carry in a vehicle and mine does not.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I was referring to the conflicitng information between my post and Hos' post directly above mine. His information requires a permit to carry in a vehicle and mine does not.

That's what I was referring to as well.