Dean Blandino's explanation

[percyhoward]

Everything happened in ONE PIECE, there was no turn of the body upfield that would have established a "football move."

There is nothing in the 2014 rule about having to turn your body up field. And even if there had been, it wouldn't have applied to a receiver who was already headed up field when he made the catch, as Dez was.

2014
long enough to pitch the ball, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.

 

[KJJ]

Watch the video, Dez doesn't have full control of the ball until it reaches his shoulders and by that time he was already "going to the ground" so by the time you see that slight turn, it's too late he now had to complete the process. Fitz had already made a noticeable turn up field just prior to going to the ground, so he already established a "football move" which made it a completed catch which made it no difference that the ball came loose when he contacted the ground.

 

[KJJ]

There is nothing in the 2014 rule about having to turn your body up field. And even if there had been, it wouldn't have applied to a receiver who was already headed up field when he made the catch, as Dez was.

2014
long enough to pitch the ball, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.

It's not in the rulebook because a "football move" comes down to judgment, which is why it still can't be explained to anyones satisfaction. A lot of judgement is still involved in coming up with the correct call which is why they'll always be controversy with the catch rule. By the time Dez had full control of the ball he was already "going to the ground" so the turn he made was while he was going down (one piece) which wasn't the case with the Fitz play. Fitz caught the ball THEN turned up field which established a "football move" and a legal catch so him going down and losing the ball made no difference.

 

[KJJ]

There is nothing in the 2014 rule about having to turn your body up field. And even if there had been, it wouldn't have applied to a receiver who was already headed up field when he made the catch, as Dez was.

Dez was already "going to the ground" when he established control so any slight turn was too late. It's clear as day that everything happened in ONE PIECE. There were two parts with Fitz, the catch then the turn upfield and both parts happened BEFORE he started going to the ground.

 

[rynochop]

KJJ The cowboys didn't win the Superbowl, so you can relax for the next 6 months or so, go back to your 3 grand suits and your Italian cars

 

[KJJ]

KJJ The cowboys didn't win the Superbowl, so you can relax for the next 6 months or so, go back to your 3 grand suits and your Italian cars

The Cowboys didn't win the SB or even sniff reaching it so now we can watch FANS like you cry and complain all offseason about officiating calls. I have 5 grand suits and Italian sports cars and you're stewing over it because all your suits probably come from off the rack at Walmart and you drive an old beat up Honda. See how easy it is to figure you out. lol Should have spent more time preparing for your SAT's. Now get back to class!

 

[mugsybows]

The Butler call was not correct by rule. The rule also states that communication with players in the huddle has to take place. It did not.

I think what we're seeing is a lot of NFL rules have all sorts of language that they can point to and hide behind to say it was the correct call. Blandino was asked about the huddle and communication aspect of the rule and he downplayed like it didn't matter at all. I sincerely think that when that call was called even blandino probably said to himself aww don't call that! Just makes his job harder

 

[KJJ]

Where's a clear picture of the Dez ball touching the ground?

Is this clear enough for you or do you consider those pictures optical illusions? They've only been posted more than a dozen times on this board. Try opening your eyes!

 

[LocimusPrime]

Ouch....getting rough in here.

 

[percyhoward]

It's not in the rulebook because a "football move" comes down to judgment, which is why it still can't be explained to anyones satisfaction. A lot of judgement is still involved in coming up with the correct call which is why they'll always be controversy with the catch rule. By the time Dez had full control of the ball he was already "going to the ground" so the turn he made was while he was going down (one piece) which wasn't the case with the Fitz play.

Think for a minute about why you've never been able to answer these two questions:

If the catch process and football move didn't matter on this play, why didn't they matter?

If the catch process and football move didn't matter on this play, why didn't Blandino just say so?​

 

[KJJ]

Think for a minute about why you've never been able to answer these two questions:

If the catch process and football move didn't matter on this play, why didn't they matter?

If the catch process and football move didn't matter on this play, why didn't Blandino just say so?​

Those questions have been answered numerous times over the past 2 years but not to your satisfaction because no one on this board enjoys rehashing this argument over and over and over more than you. Instead of continuing to ask me, go ask Blandino on his Twitter account.

 

[percyhoward]

Those questions have been answered numerous times...

The reason you can't answer those questions, of course, is that the catch process does indeed matter. It can't be suspended for this one play just because it makes some big shot's explanation seem awkward. It has to be applied to all potential catches, because that's what it's for.

 

[KJJ]

The reason you can't answer those questions, of course, is that the catch process does indeed matter. It can't be suspended for this one play just because it makes some big shot's explanation seem awkward. It has to be applied to all potential catches, because that's what it's for.

Everything has been covered and answered numerous times. If you're bored go work on another passer rating's thread.

 

[KJJ]

Yeah, he was to busy driving his Ferrari around Malibu during those winning streaks I think is what his excuse was.lol

It was a good excuse, it's beautiful here you should pack up and come visit. Just one word of warning we don't have trailer parks.

 

[khiladi]

What's funny is the spirit of the rule is to allow the defense to get set against for a formation. If you allow such a thing to happen, where a player communicates and then comes out, then the defense is in a bind.

But the Patriots could have an ineligible receiver tell the ref one second before the ball is snapped that he is eligible, without the defense even knowing and has no way to get set in such a situation, and it's all good.

 

[khiladi]

It's not in the rulebook because a "football move" comes down to judgment, which is why it still can't be explained to anyones satisfaction. A lot of judgement is still involved in coming up with the correct call which is why they'll always be controversy with the catch rule. By the time Dez had full control of the ball he was already "going to the ground" so the turn he made was while he was going down (one piece) which wasn't the case with the Fitz play. Fitz caught the ball THEN turned up field which established a "football move" and a legal catch so him going down and losing the ball made no difference.

Too bad for your argument it was ruled a catch, meaning it can't be overturned by replay if comes down to judgment.

 

[khiladi]

Also, touching the ground doesn't negate a catch. It's whether control is secured before it touches the ground that determines if its a catch.

Edelman' catch actually touched the ground (despite the ref saying it didn't) but he secured it before it did anyways.

 

[KJJ]

Too bad for your argument it was ruled a catch, meaning it can't be overturned by replay if comes down to judgment.

It was ruled a catch and overturned due to clear visual evidence that Dez was "going to the ground" and didn't hang onto the ball through the contact of the ground. There was no judgement needed to see that the ball came loose when he contacted the ground.

 

[khiladi]

It was ruled a catch and overturned due to clear visual evidence that Dez was "going to the ground" and didn't hang onto the ball through the contact of the ground. There was no judgement needed to see that the ball came loose when he contacted the ground.

You flip-flop every time you get caught. You're the one that said a 'football move comes down to judgment' and there will always be issues about it. Going to the ground does not preclude football move.

It was overturned by the league, not the ref.

There is no way Des's catch should have been overturned.

 

[percyhoward]

Also, touching the ground doesn't negate a catch. It's whether control is secured before it touches the ground that determines if its a catch.

Control, two feet, and a football move. Nothing supersedes the catch process.